Boat weight to HP ratio

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2012/08/30 16:25:15 (permalink)

Boat weight to HP ratio

Anyone happen to know of a good source for figuring if a certain size motor will get a certain size boat on plane?  Trout About's 20HP has me salvating...  I'd need to buy the remote conversion kit, so a pretty good investment, to find out that it still isn't big enough.  Doing some reading, it looks like mine is about 850lbs dry weight.  I do plan on getting an actual weight done at some point.  Toss two guys, gas, battery, trolling motor & equipment = approx. 600lbs.  I'm guessing the hull design plays a bit of a factor too.  It is a V, but not deep V and definitely not a bass boat.  Anyone think it will plane, or just looking at a more expensive slightly faster barge?
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    Trout About
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/30 16:42:40 (permalink)
    lets test it out!
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/30 17:07:40 (permalink)
    You rule duud.  I'll be talking to my buddy tomorrow about the hoist.
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/30 20:01:31 (permalink)
    If you are looking at close to 1400 pounds loaded, I'd say 20 horse won't get you on plane.
     
    What max HP is on the plate for the boat?

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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 08:54:36 (permalink)
    EM -
     
    That sucks, but I'm not too surprised.  I think it is right on the cusp.  Maybe get me on plane by myself, but barge with company and fishig gear, which is 95% of my time on the boat. 
     
    Talking to guys with Tracker Pro's with 20hps - same length, they are just getting on plane with 2 guys and gear.  Going from what I find on the internet, it appears they are about 750lbs and mine is 850lbs (1988 Grumman 5.0 series - side console - 16.5').  Not sure how accurate the data on mine is, due to it being an old boat with old figures.  My buddy is a cop with certified scales, so I plan to weigh it when I start my to do list on it this Fall.
     
    Pretty sure the max rating for mine is 100HP.  There is a 50HP on it now that I plan to pull, which has no issue getting on plane, but probably still under powered.  I plan to pull that motor, and try to do some other modifications to get the weight down.  Everything that I have read on replacing the decking, pretty much points back to wood and resin.  Not much else lighter, that doesn't have a bunch of other issues to deal with.  I have been giving some thought to composite decking, but haven't figured out the weight difference yet.  I'm going to plan to cut down on storage, which seems to just collect junk, and adds weight.  Not sure if I can trim 100lbs or not from unloaded, but know for a fact, that I can trim 100 from the junk I have on it.
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 10:01:12 (permalink)
    Those Trackers Pros are pretty lightweight.  Older Grummans were built well...not like an older Starcraft, but still pretty hefty. I don't think you are on the cusp. 
     
    I had a late 90's Crestliner 16' side console that weighed about 860# without the motor or fuel.  I had a 28 HP Johnson that ran like a raped ape, but couldn't get it on plane with 2 guys until I repropped it, distributed weight evenly and got the angle just right.  Even then, it took about 1/2 mile to get up to full speed (about 18mph).  By myself the boat would push 30mph.  I don't think that boat would plane with a 20hp, especially with a 4 stroke...although I wish I still had that boat!  I sold it to a board member.

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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 10:27:30 (permalink)
    Hate to say it, but I agree... not gonna plane... But anything is worth a shot if TA is willing to bolt it up and try it what do you have to lose?

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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 10:43:36 (permalink)
    porktown,
    I was looking at replacing my floor in the near future and found that King Starlite XL (35% lighter than Starboard) actually weighs a little more than marine plywood of similar thickness.
     
    1/2" King StarliteXL weighs 57.5# for a 4'x8' sheet and 1/2" 5 ply Marine Fir weighs 49# a sheet.  So, the wood is actually lighter until it starts soaking up and holding water.
     
    Can always find a 25 and get the 20 hood and take your chances.   
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 10:45:56 (permalink)
    I was pretty shocked to read only 100lb difference, I'm guessing that isn't correct.  I'm wondering if taking my 50hp off is really going to do much either?  Do you think lifting the 50 would do much if I stick with my 15 and obviously not getting on plane?  I've read it weighs 180 in some sources and closer to 300 in others?  I'd love to get that thing in good running order, and hit up the perch packs...  Although, I think Erie fishing is 10+ years down the line for me, with a much more suitable ride. 
     
    Also while thinking about my decking, would EnviroTex Lite work for a coating of marine grade (works nice for lure crafting)?  It is much more pleasant to work with than fiberglass resin, especially in an integrated garage.  Also, when people glass the deck boards, do you use the cloth too or just the resin?
     
     
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 10:50:50 (permalink)
    Eyes,
    How much do you think the glass adds to plywood?  Especially if you need to cloth, that stuff sucks up the resin.  Is 1/2" thick enough?  Not sure how far apart my stringers are.
     
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 13:06:18 (permalink)
    If 1/2" on roofs @ 24" o.c. is good enough (new decking on my addition roof was pretty solid with that), I think 1/2" @ 16" for your floor would be good enough for constant walking (as long as you support the edges too with redwood strips or something cut to match your hull). If you are thinking of going the wood/glass route, personally, I'd spend the extra $ and save the time and just get the starboard.  All depends on how much your time is worth it to you. To me, that seems like overkill unless that is the look you want...no carpet, I assume.  If you don't plan on keeping the boat forever, I'd do MP and carpet or MP and coat it with white or gray bedliner.  That will give it a nice, textured surface and protect it from water intrusion and not get too hot.  I'd paint all sides and double or triple coat the edges.
    My brother did the bottom of my dad's 14' aluminum boat (inside) with bedliner and it sealed up the leaky rivets and actually looked pretty nice.  Only downside was he used black and it got REALLY hot in the dog days.
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 13:28:36 (permalink)
    Would one coat of bedliner be sufficient on the main part?  I know the E-Tex I use, only requires one coat, and supposedly the same as 10+ coats of laquer, but takes 8 hours to cure and looks like glass when it's done.  It's also not very cheap, and not really the look that I want either.  I'd probably plan to cover with the marine vinyl flooring after or even paint, same if I did the fiberglass resin.  I am definitely done with carpeting!  If that bedliner only needs one coat, that sounds like the way to go.  I really don't plan on keeping the boat forever, but don't want to be doing this again in 5-10 years...
     
    Good call on doing the inside too.  I might as well if I have it torn apart.
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 13:51:45 (permalink)
    Use CPES (clear penetrating epoxy sealer) on the plywood and then paint or carpet it. It's easy to work with but is a little smelly so make sure you have lots of ventilation. Don't think it would add much if any weight to the wood. Seal all screw holes with 5200 and it'll outlast you, well me anyway...
     
    Try here http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/main.do lots of good info and products for rebuilds...

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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 14:12:18 (permalink)
    Awesome.  Thank you much for the info.
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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 15:51:02 (permalink)
    The CPES is not UV stable so where exposed it has to be covered...

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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/08/31 21:40:10 (permalink)
    ahhh i am no pro here by a long shot. but after a LOT of reading i just re-did the decking on my boat 1/2 inch should be plenty, but i would glass it all in. the glass isnt that hard to work with and it adds strength to your boat. there is no such thing as a miracle in a can. if your boat isnt all tied together you may end up with too much flex in your hull and lead to spider cracking. the mat is good for filling the cloth has better strength. a LOT a people do not even recommend screwing the deck to your srtingers. if you dont want a carpeted deck there are a lot of top side products you can roll on with anti slip properties. as far as the the 20 HP i am not thinking plane, but ask yourself do you need to be on plane ? and wear a mask !

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    Re:Boat weight to HP ratio 2012/09/01 07:41:20 (permalink)
    The bed liner only needs one coat but he used a brush to get in all the nook and crannies along the corners, stringers and rivets before he rolled the rest. It goes on really thick. Make sure to get one with a flat finish.
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