I'd like to start...

Kev,

I checked out your picks for fly tying kits...If I were in your situation, and wanted to get into more into tying with saving money then I would go with the Key West outfitter kit.  From what I can gather It seems to have the best in tools given your three selections.  Material is somthing that you pick up little by little until before long you have enough to tie flies for years.  Just make it a habit every time you go to the fly shop to spend 2-10$ on some sort of material, eventually ull find you have everything you need.  From my experience fly tying kits with alot of material are like buffets, Quantity, not Quality...not saying this is the case everytime, but just from my personal experience.

I dont know how well outfitted with tools that you are, but as far as piecing everything together it would be wise to purchase at minimum a good vice, IMO.  I have the Renzetti Apprentise, I like it alot but It's not a rotary.

If you wanted to get into a rotary vise that you will have for years and def not break the bank, I would suggest a griffin.  They have a huge line of moderatley prices vices to suit your needs.  Heres a link to what they offer. 
Hope this helps you out, im sure other board members will provide you with input as well.

thanks for the info!!!

sounds like i want to buy a "tool and vise kit" and then just assemble the materials as suggested and a set-up won't put me in too much hot water

I guess you get what you pay for... but that kit with a collection of tools (all which i need) for $60 is an option
but as with everything fly... my TFO cheap rod can land fish just like my T3...

does any know anything about Key West?
they have a few vise and tool kits..



thanks for the help!


Kevin

i got a Danvise about 3 years ago with a tying bench and tools for a 150 bucks at Cabela's love the vise and bench and i am still using 75% of the tools. Individual materials is the only way to go.  as been said on here you get what you want to tie what you want.  tip to save some money on  your copper johns go to a dollar store  and get and extension cord and strip the out side off and you got copper wire for a long long time.  

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shop around do some research as for the ebay thing i have ordered there and got killed in shipping
i have to give fish usa the top pbilling in speed of shipment.But i have found your best way is to shop every
where and also check out the craft stores.paul