Porktown

EMitch
One of my favorite quotes. "When ideology does not agree with reality, it is reality that must change". Typical leftist younger generational thinking.
 
And oh, BTW, those 12 million jobs that Biden "created" in just two years? Nothing more than a Democrat talking point. The economy is "roaring" at slightly over 1%. 9.3 million of those "created" jobs were returns to folks' jobs after Covid. Geeze!! Even Canada's economy is growing at 3%, and we aren't even close. Let's go, Brandon!

That quote IS politics in general. When a party’s ideology isn’t met, when they get a majority they push party line legislation or stack courts in party line votes.

Are you disagreeing with Dardys on the massive amounts of high paying jobs for college graduates? Most jobs have nothing to do with who is in office or their policies. Brandon and Dotard have no control over the Federal Reserve. We can call it a free market, but Federal Reserve has a very heavy thumb on that free market. We are in a rolling recession and have been since covid.

DarDys

Porktown

EMitch
One of my favorite quotes. "When ideology does not agree with reality, it is reality that must change". Typical leftist younger generational thinking.

And oh, BTW, those 12 million jobs that Biden "created" in just two years? Nothing more than a Democrat talking point. The economy is "roaring" at slightly over 1%. 9.3 million of those "created" jobs were returns to folks' jobs after Covid. Geeze!! Even Canada's economy is growing at 3%, and we aren't even close. Let's go, Brandon!

That quote IS politics in general. When a party’s ideology isn’t met, when they get a majority they push party line legislation or stack courts in party line votes.

Are you disagreeing with Dardys on the massive amounts of high paying jobs for college graduates? Most jobs have nothing to do with who is in office or their policies. Brandon and Dotard have no control over the Federal Reserve. We can call it a free market, but Federal Reserve has a very heavy thumb on that free market. We are in a rolling recession and have been since covid.

I never said there were “massive amounts of high paying jobs for recent college graduates.” Those are your words, not mine.

What I espoused was that for those who chose their degree fields wisely, there are jobs readily available that pay well beyond what is needed to live well, while easily being able to pay their student loans. That is too different things. Make a bad career choice and employment prospects still suck, just as they have for more than a century.

• What degree fields would they be? Be as specific as possible if you can.
• Would "living well" be defined as being able to pay rent? Not renting? Home Ownership? Owning a vehicle? etc.
• Are we talking paying off loans in an efficient manner, or just paying the minimum? 

crappiefisher
My son went to a community college for free and works for himself. Sells $1,000 a hour of fishing tackle on average for a 5-6 hour show 3-4 times a week. Bought a vacation house with 2 garages one minute from Pymatuning Lake cash. He has many lifetimes of inventory in storage.
 
 He went to school to be a cop or park ranger, so has nothing to do with his major. Know many people that have landscaping or construction businesses that are doing very well without having a business degree.                                                                                                                Think it is more how some ones brain works and being a hard worker than just having a degree in a field that pays well imo.   How to manage money is the biggest asset if not loaded or even if you are.

Mountian Man

bigfoot

crappiefisher
My son went to a community college for free and works for himself. Sells $1,000 a hour of fishing tackle on average for a 5-6 hour show 3-4 times a week. Bought a vacation house with 2 garages one minute from Pymatuning Lake cash. He has many lifetimes of inventory in storage.
 
 He went to school to be a cop or park ranger, so has nothing to do with his major. Know many people that have landscaping or construction businesses that are doing very well without having a business degree.                                                                                                                Think it is more how some ones brain works and being a hard worker than just having a degree in a field that pays well imo.   How to manage money is the biggest asset if not loaded or even if you are.

I also could site some examples of people who I know that are very successful and well off without having a college degree. One is a multi millionaire. From selling cars, realtors, construction business, tree removal etc. Intelligence, a strong work ethic, setting goals and a will to succeed. These seem to be a common denominator. It’s a great country for those who wish to better their lot in life. I believe too many of us settle for mediocrity and don’t realize our full potential. You’re never going to reach the golden ring while riding this roller coaster of life unless you reach for it.

I do eBay anymore along with resale boothes. Stopped working for other people make enough to be comfortable and only really have to "work" two days a week.

Porktown
 
The studies showing average income for those with a 4 year degree vs those that don’t are real. It isn’t the scam that some on here are making higher education to be out to. Most that aren’t succeeding after college, most likely went to college to party and not study. Trust me, I knew a lot of those people. I walked the gray line between the two, should have probably studied a bit more. Probably should have went into finance too and would have been retired by now!

Porktown
   What about those that will be in debt 5-10-20 years down the line?  I hear the argument of "since this put you in a bad position, why would you want others to be in that position".  Wouldn't that just keep applying to the next group?  Should we pay for them? Then the next group, then the next, through infinity?  Why is there no actual discussion going on about reforming the cost of schools, to take on the actual problem?  Reform student interest.  Put a lifeline to those that really need it.

Porktown
Where is the relief for this group? Not many in this group would have benefited from the college loan debt relief. Many still have student loan debt that they are juggling with their mortgage and other expenses of dependents. Most of their student loans were sold off by the federal government to private loan holders and ineligible for relief. Yet these same people are required to put in their “family contribution” to their kids education. On top of that, likely have two sets of parents that they need to help.

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