Senator Oz

Personally, I can't stand to even look at Fetterman. I watched the Food Channel while the debate was goin' on, but watched 15 minutes of Channel 11 for the analysis. They were all sayin' Fetterman did well. I'll hear it plenty times over in the early AM on Fox or Fox Business. What's been really amazing for the past week, when I read a lot of stuff on Microsoft News on my phone, you'll read one poll where Fetterman is up by 6 points, and another where he's only up by one. I'm not givin' a lot of credence to the polls.

I didn’t watch the debate but I’ve seen/heard a few interviews with Fetterman since the stroke so I didn’t have high expectations.

I’m not sure that debates matter very much in general elections. Would anybody that posts regularly on these threads change their mind about who they are voting for based on the debate last night? I doubt it. Right now the electorate is just too highly partisan.

Maybe a bad debate performance moves the needle just enough in a really close election, which this will still likely be. If that’s the case, there should be a shift in polling. As of now, 538 has only one single poll that has Oz up in the race, and even the right leaning pollsters like Trafalgar and Rasmussen have had Fetterman up in multiple polls. If this debate is going to sink the Fetterman campaign then it will be reflected in the polling average.

DeadGator401

Debate got worse for Fetterman as it went on. Oz won on mere presentation alone. 
I'm not sure what the situation is, but I believe Fetterman has an issue with hearing words in some capacity. Whereas he's easily able to read them? 

It seems a bit more than hearing/reading. His responses were very limited in substance and still couldn’t get it out. The guy is already a rather weak candidate, being more liberal than most PA voters. I’m sure he will recover more, but stroke recovery varies. We really don’t know how much more. Right now, he is not fit to serve. It would have been nice to hear him explain some attacks against him, but he is incapable of it. If he is incapable of that, what is he capable of?

Oz has mostly moderate views, but a Trump stooge. For that alone, I can’t vote for him. Him being a TV star is really his whole platform. I was shocked that he made it through the primary, definitely wouldn’t without Trump help. He also poured it on a little too much yesterday. Not sure how he should have handled. He too was in a bad situation, being in a debate with someone that clearly couldn’t defend himself after 4-5 topics, continued attacks started coming off as kicking him on the ground.

This is a worse selection than the Hillary/Trump selection in my book. I can see many just not showing up to vote.

Fetterman is very fortunate there is a governor election. If it were only him and Oz, I would imagine Dem voter turnout would be low. Masterwhacko will get Dems to the polls and pull the Fetterman lever while there. Possibly some moderate Dems won’t vote for him. Probably going below 50% on Independent vote. I would imagine at least 10% difference of Shapiro/Fetterman and Oz/Hitler.

EMitch

psu_fish
 
The Republican turnout will be very high, Presidential year type highs. 
Im not high on OZ, but sure as hell voting for him over Fetterman. I held my nose and voted Toomey a couple times, so is it really that different with OZ??? nope. 

PSU, I agree. We'll basically be trading one RINO for another, but at least we'll keep the R. Still think McCormick would've been the much better choice. Maybe we can put him up against Casey in the next go around.

I voted McCormick in the primary. Read some polling pieces after the primary that said Barnette hurt McCormick the most.

I have a feeling that he thought that he’d be in better shape by now when he agreed to the debate. I agree there are many unfortunate people that have strokes and long recoveries. Many are on lifelong disability after and unable to drive or other. It is a horrible condition and I feel for everyone that has to deal with it. That said, it would have taken real balls, to pull out of the race after it happened and come back as a hero after recovery.

I was looking forward to the debate, to see if they would actually debate and clear the record on things. If not for the Trump endorsement, it really would be a toss up for me, and definitely Oz after last night. I will never vote for anyone that doesn’t have the balls to face reality and call Trump’s election nonsense what it is. And call the man child what he is, a LOSER.

eyesandgillz
MAGA baby!
 
If the Dems would have been honest with themselves after the stroke happened and Fetterman's heart condition revealed earlier, they could have pulled him from the ballot and inserted Lamb, who likely would have won in a landslide over Oz. 
 
I do not like carpetbaggers but I will hold my nose.  No way on god's green earth could I vote for someone who has the platform Fetterman has but having a RINO in there is much better, in my eyes. 
 
TBH, Fetterman is probably a good guy deep down and someone I'd share a beer with but, doesn't live in reality with his policies.  I feel empathy for him for what he is going through with the stroke and recovery and he would have been much better off withdrawing from the race, working on recovery, and spending quality time with his family.  

I agree with the Lamb thing.  He would have walked over Oz, IMO. 
 
I have no idea how Trump thought this is the guy to endorse?  Pennsyltucky is really going to vote for a Muslim, moderate, Hollywood Elite, person of color?  That has been their political/social targets the past few years.  I personally find much enjoyment of him being the likely winner.
 
I agree with much of the Fetterman thing too.  Probably a great guy.  His heart has always been in the right place with his attempt to revitalize Braddock.  Yeah, his parent's money paid for it, he passed up making $Ms taking over the family business and golfing all day calling it business.  Like it is more honorable, to have Daddy giving him the equivalent to $10M in today's money to build businesses ripping off hundreds of contractors and others to turn that $10M to $200M, skipping out on taxes whenever possible and cheating on his wife with porn stars and forcibly with others?  Having someone use that money to help the less fortunate, is what this country lacks, but he is attacked for it.  Policy wise, I agree though.  At least a chunk of it is far to left for me.  But I'll still vote for him.  A vote for Oz is a vote for those with the rich Daddy's that go the selfish route a vote for Fetterman is for those with the rich Daddy that are looking to help others.  I know who Jesus would vote for.

eyesandgillz
MAGA baby!

Merica was never great just sayin'

For the record, this is Fetterman, speaking in the last 24 hours, in a format that is not a televised debate:

https://www.reddit.com/r/...pp&utm_name=iossmf

LDD
He was able to hammer away at points for a longer period of time and to get his message out.  
 

He really didn't have much of a message, besides pile dirt on Fetterman though...  Which is all that Fetterman attempted to do to Oz with his time.  Any time he was pressed by the moderators to answer a question, he was stumped.  No doubt, in the real life role of a Senator, you aren't really pressed for an immediate response besides from reporters, which the vast majority of Senators just ignore.  The actual job of Senators, they have forever to respond or do anything.  For the President or Governor, being able to have immediate responses is much more crucial to their jobs.  I doubt many voters would look at it that way though.
 
I still think the best idea would have been for him to bow out, tell his supporters that he will be back for the next office up for grabs.  This could very well put him into obscurity beyond his base.  But Trump has proven the whole idea of actions that would typically burry politicians is now in the past, so who knows.

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gUbRmInT cOnsPeArASEE

Strokes are different for everyone. It really depends what part of the brain, how long it was blocking, how blocked it was, etc. My grandfather had one and I don’t believe for a second that he was cognitively the same after as he was before. One of my neighbor’s had one about a year ago and is also similar to my grand father. Another neighbor had one maybe two years ago and you wouldn’t even be able to tell he had any health issues. Another guy that I worked with was similar in not really able to tell. Another guy who I was neighbors with at my old house, died from a stroke at 42 years old. Was a fitness trainer and one of the most “healthy” people that I knew…. Not sure if how they formed the clot means anything? The guy that I worked with was healthy, but wrecked his motorcycle. A few weeks later a clot from his injury made it into his brain. They were able to get to it fast and was a good bit of flow, so didn’t mess him up as much. Clots from arteries I believe are a bit more solid and I believe do a bit more damage. Without Fetterman’s full medical records and an unbiased Dr. to decipher it, we won’t know how severe or what the long term effects likely will be.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYrbKvAvkXY
 
   

Timachro
We should all vote "None of the Above"
 

Unfortunately that seems to be the best choice in almost every election. How there isn’t a viable party for the rest of us by now is amazing.

Porktown
Mark it official, Oz is next Senator of PA.

One of the most painful things that I have ever watched.

First Muslim Senator of PA, so at least diverse?