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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/15 11:47:20 (permalink)
I haven't been able to watch the actual trial, the past two weeks, so hard to really follow what the jurors are seeing from news clips.  I have to admit that according to the below link, I was following Murder 2 as being intentional.  It is still unintentional murder, so changes my view slightly.  
 
According to the Newsweek below article, and assuming it is correct, this is at least part of the MN code for murder 2;
 
"without intent to effect the death of any person while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with for or violence or a drive-by shooting."
 
I am not really convinced that a CLEARY EXCESSIVE restraint, is a felony offense or would he not be charged with said felony offense?  Which has me kind of baffled that they wouldn't put that in as an additional charge?
 
"Or causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designation to receive protection under the order."
 
The second part of this I think throws it out, "when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designation to receive protection under the order" seems to indicate to me; Someone has a restraining order and is beat to death by the person the order is against.  Which obviously would not be the case here.
 
 
For MN Murder 3;
 
"whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evidencing a depraved mind, without regard for human life."
 
In what I have seen of the trial, the only way that I can see him not being charged with this, is if they say that he can't be charged with this AND murder 2.  To me, this seems to fit what he did almost to a T.
 
I'm not sure if even a Murder 2 conviction will stop the rioters from going out and doing their thing.  Which will probably end up in another person of color being killed by the police...
 
https://www.newsweek.com/derek-chauvin-charges-why-accused-manslaughter-murder-george-floyd-1579771#:~:text=The%20most%20serious%20charge%20against,15%20years%20could%20be%20recommended.
 
https://www.kark.com/news/national-news/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-trial-of-derek-chauvin-officer-charged-in-death-of-george-floyd/#:~:text=Chauvin%20faces%20two%20murder%20charges,murder%20and%20third%2Ddegree%20murder.&text=Chauvin%20is%20also%20charged%20with,years%20behind%20bars%20if%20convicted.
 
 
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/20 17:07:36 (permalink)
Guilty on all charges.
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/20 18:55:38 (permalink)
His peers have spoken. Now he needs to, as Meghan McCain put it, go rot in helll.
 
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/20 20:35:46 (permalink)
I am not surprised by the outcome and figured he would be convicted of the lesser two. I personally didn’t see it fitting the definition of murder 2. I fully expect them to appeal, whether that goes anywhere. He is going to be spending a lot of time in prison and deserved. I’d like to see this moment being used for some real reform.
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/20 22:20:44 (permalink)
It’s a good that there will be accountability in this case. No doubt. But my concern is that this one case will create the false impression that the system will always work as intended, which it doesn’t.
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/23 14:58:04 (permalink)
Surprised no commentary on the Columbus police shooting, the same day as the Chauvin verdict.  I guess everyone is in agreement....
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/23 15:14:06 (permalink)
Are you talking about the fat chick trying to stab the skinny chick?  If so, justified use of force from the video to me.  She was clearly trying to kill that other chick.  If anyone is protesting that, they need shot too.
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/23 15:28:07 (permalink)
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Surprised no commentary on the Columbus police shooting, the same day as the Chauvin verdict.  I guess everyone is in agreement....


***EDIT *** The case I mentioned happened in Chicago. The Columbus case is the girl with the knife..

The kid with the gun? Seems he had the gun in-hand, threw it away and turned with empty hands. Not sure we would agree, but what's the sense even debating it? I've left all political/you're wrong I'm right threads by the wayside. Fishing is coming, gardening and all things outdoors.
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Re: Chauvin trial 2021/04/23 16:07:05 (permalink)
This Floyd incident was by far, the most covered and probably most controversial.  Commentary on the others would be rather boring...  That is why we don't talk things like interior wall painting, washing our cars or baseball (besides the Pirates organization being an embarrassment to WPA, like Joe Paterno).
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