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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/10 17:14:38 (permalink)
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With the case numbers in PA dropping as the vaccination rate of adults is getting close to 70%, added to those naturally inoculated, I don't see the risk of vaccinating kids being worth it at all.  



this sentiment is really growing in the medical and scientific communities (actual boots on the ground people and not bureaucrats), especially this week.  
 
i was actually kind of surprised to see an article in this publication which i've followed off and on for a few months so strongly suggesting that we stop vaccinating healthy kids en masse.

this is the money quote:

“Returning to the discussion of the COVID-19 risk to kids (ages 0 to 12 years) right now, it's worth aggregating the best available data to date. In reviewing the medical literature and news reports, and in talking to pediatricians across the country, I am not aware of a single healthy child in the U.S. who has died of COVID-19 to date. To investigate further, my research team at Johns Hopkins partnered with FAIR health to study pediatric COVID-19 deaths using approximately half of the nation's health insurance data. We found that 100% of pediatric COVID-19 deaths were in children with a pre-existing condition, solidifying the case to vaccinate any child with a comorbidity.

Given that the risk of a healthy child dying is between zero and infinitesimally rare, it's understandable that many parents are appropriately asking, why vaccinate healthy kids at all?”

 
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/11 00:22:26 (permalink)
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look at these anti vaxxers from the cleveland clinic sowing further vaccine hesitancy in the u.s.  
 
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2
 
"Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before."



Be interesting to see how this affects non-Mrna vaccines. There some more in the pipeline coming that are different so actively looking forward to it. 
Also wonder when the will get peer reviewed.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/11 09:35:18 (permalink)
Personally, the more I think about it, the only vaccine I am personally comfortable taking at this point so early in the process, would be a "traditional" weakened or killed virus vaccine or possibly one using VLPs.  
I don't think there are many and possibly no homegrown ones in the pipeline (not interested in any from China or Russia, that is for sure!).  So, until then, I'll remain part of the control group....
 
After a little more research:
Novavax and Sanofi's vaccines, entering Phase 3 trials, seem a little more traditional and peek my interest.  
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/15 13:20:24 (permalink)
Novavax has a 90% efficiency during their trial. - https://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-covid-19-vaccine-demonstrates-90-overall-efficacy-and
Pretty great news.

Along with that, the cases continue to lower Nationwide and deaths are down as well. Vaccination rates are plateauing though, lead by lower participation in predominately southern states.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/21 13:50:40 (permalink)
who would have thought that pumping millions of vaccines into a population of kids that don't need them without knowing the long term side effects might be dangerous?
 
 
 

"Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.  There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines."
 
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/23 01:55:22 (permalink)
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who would have thought that pumping millions of vaccines into a population of kids that don't need them without knowing the long term side effects might be dangerous?

"Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.  There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines."

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice


I fear your quote might make it seem as if the WHO presented the vaccines as dangerous to children (under 12 years of age btw), which they didn't. I've ensured those who don't follow that link, can see the whole segment of the webpage.



"Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults, so unless they are part of a group at higher risk of severe COVID-19, it is less urgent to vaccinate them than older people, those with chronic health conditions and health workers.   
 
More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19.
 
WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.
 
It's important for children to continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines."




CDC Site has the same type of guidance, albeit the verbiage excludes anything for children under 12:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/adolescents.html
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/23 02:02:33 (permalink)
I normally use this webpage to track case numbers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I'm sure it's not perfect real time data, but it has been pretty reliable during the past 18 months for tracking numbers. (It will list the Website source under the "Source" column on the left side for references. You can use these links if your county or area has tracking to be taken right to it. 

PA in general has been heavily trending downward, and it's been great to see. Just awesome news. 

Been pretty quiet around here, hope you guys and gals are out fishing and enjoying the summer.






 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/23 09:04:00 (permalink)
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who would have thought that pumping millions of vaccines into a population of kids that don't need them without knowing the long term side effects might be dangerous?

"Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.  There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines."

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice


I fear your quote might make it seem as if the WHO presented the vaccines as dangerous to children (under 12 years of age btw), which they didn't. I've ensured those who don't follow that link, can see the whole segment of the webpage.


"Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults, so unless they are part of a group at higher risk of severe COVID-19, it is less urgent to vaccinate them than older people, those with chronic health conditions and health workers.   

More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19.

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.

It's important for children to continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines."




CDC Site has the same type of guidance, albeit the verbiage excludes anything for children under 12:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/adolescents.html


here’s what WHO said monday

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here’s what WHO said tuesday

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no new science as to pediatric effectiveness. the mounting science adds to pediatric danger. this is 100% new political pressure from the u.s. and c.d.c. because this guidance was starting to be widely circulated.

VAERS shows what an absolute train wreck this chemical experiment is in pediatric populations. pediatric distribution in germany and denmark has ceased.

couple weeks ago the CDC had scheduled an emergency meeting for this past friday to discuss all the bad things happening to kids - particularly teen and young adult males. but they cancelled it and rescheduled it for a few weeks down the road because of juneteenth becoming a holiday in the interim.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/23 11:37:04 (permalink)
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/23 14:15:58 (permalink)
holy schnikes it gets even better. this is the actual cdc guidance on how to proceed if the first dose causes pericarditis or myocarditis and makes no differentiation between adults and children.

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remember last summer when everyone was like, “kids and college students and even professional athletes can’t play sports because myocarditis!” and they looked really hard and tried like mad to find cases of it to keep sports shut down but couldn’t find them?

now we actually have hard scientific evidence of something causing alarming rates of heart issues in kids and young adults but we’ve got deranged and demented institutions and public health officials mandating it and even recommending a second dose of something that has already caused it once!

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/23 16:16:49 (permalink)
https://www.cnbc.com/2021...vid-vaccine-shots.html
 
CDC says likely link to cases of myocarditis and mRNA vaccines in adolescents.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/24 01:03:50 (permalink)
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holy schnikes it gets even better. this is the actual cdc guidance on how to proceed if the first dose causes pericarditis or myocarditis and makes no differentiation between adults and children.



remember last summer when everyone was like, “kids and college students and even professional athletes can’t play sports because myocarditis!” and they looked really hard and tried like mad to find cases of it to keep sports shut down but couldn’t find them?

now we actually have hard scientific evidence of something causing alarming rates of heart issues in kids and young adults but we’ve got deranged and demented institutions and public health officials mandating it and even recommending a second dose of something that has already caused it once!


I wonder if there's concern something could be worse than the 132 reports in 2,039,871 Males ages 12-17, and 20 in 2,189,726 females in the same bracket?







 
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/06/24 01:53:28 (permalink)
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holy schnikes it gets even better. this is the actual cdc guidance on how to proceed if the first dose causes pericarditis or myocarditis and makes no differentiation between adults and children.



remember last summer when everyone was like, “kids and college students and even professional athletes can’t play sports because myocarditis!” and they looked really hard and tried like mad to find cases of it to keep sports shut down but couldn’t find them?

now we actually have hard scientific evidence of something causing alarming rates of heart issues in kids and young adults but we’ve got deranged and demented institutions and public health officials mandating it and even recommending a second dose of something that has already caused it once!


I wonder if there's concern something could be worse than the 132 reports in 2,039,871 Males ages 12-17, and 20 in 2,189,726 females in the same bracket?







 


when something is 32 times worse in real life than is expected or predicted, it usually raises some concerns among people who are actually interested in practicing science and following the scientific method.

this is the difference between science and scientism.

it’s also widely reported and accepted in the medical community that VAERS vastly under reports. some estimates by 90%. the fine folks at the cdc and fda know this and bank on it.
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/07/01 11:48:34 (permalink)
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html
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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/07/01 22:42:25 (permalink)
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https://www.cdc.gov/vacci...tions/myocarditis.html



this is what cdc director rochelle walensky tweeted on 6/24
 
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based on this data
 
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1 million vaxxes to prevent 8,000 cases and 200 hospitalizations, 50 icu admits, and 1 death.  auditing in some states of pediatric covid hospitalizations shows that about 50% of covid hospitalizations are "with" and not "from/because of" covid.  incidental positive tests.  dr. marty makary who is the editor in chief of medpage today and is a professor at johns hopkins university wrote last week in medpage the following: 

"In reviewing the medical literature and news reports, and in talking to pediatricians across the country, I am not aware of a single healthy child in the U.S. who has died of COVID-19 to date. To investigate further, my research team at Johns Hopkins partnered with FAIR health to study pediatric COVID-19 deaths using approximately half of the nation's health insurance data. We found that 100% of pediatric COVID-19 deaths were in children with a pre-existing condition, solidifying the case to vaccinate any child with a comorbidity . . . Given that the risk of a healthy child dying is between zero and infinitesimally rare, it's understandable that many parents are appropriately asking, why vaccinate healthy kids at all?”


 
according to the cdc's own data 1 million vaxxes in the 12-15 age group will also result in . . .
 
12,000 requiring some type of medical care
3,000 requiring emergency or hospital care
345,000 unable to do normal daily activities
 
and HAS already resulted in the deaths of otherwise healthy kids in this age group.   
 
 
 
i'm kinda struggling to see the benefit here.  
 
 

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Re: Coronavirus opinions 2021/07/17 19:00:23 (permalink)
OK so Texas Dems take a beer trip on pvt air to DC to avoid a Texas vote on the floor.
 
Now 3 claim they tested Positive for 19 even though they have had shots.
 
BS trying to get everyone 14 days quarantine in DC w/o consequences for leaving Tx or what lousy shots did they take?
 
Law said they were supposed to be masked flying but photos show they were not.
 
Oh yea- VP Harris met with them twice so is she outa the picture for 14 days too ???
(not a biggie with her cause shes been out ta lunch since Nov  anyhoo)
 
The invaders on the Southern border are refusing shots at the rate of 30% and they not only letum in but spread them all over the country.
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