Loomis
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For those who Fish Ohio
from my general understanding we get a fall/winter small spring run of fish, Ohio gets a late winter/spring run.
So, from reading the thread of how long steelies are in the creeks I was wondering if anyone skips out on Erie and heads over to Ohio. Iv'e never fished anywhere over there and was looking on making a trip over, maybe in April/May when I finish this semester. Not looking for specific spots/names of tribs but rather just some GENERAL info. Thanks in advance.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 08:56:35
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I have no idea what you really want to find out. If you are looking for fish sure they are there.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 09:03:15
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By May 90-95% of the fish are back to the lake. Around the beginning of April starts the down slide from peak runs of steel.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 09:44:58
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To be quite honest with you, Pa opportunities of steelhead are hard to beat from fall all the way to spring as far as numbers of fish are concerned. Many Ohioans would argue that their steelhead fish are more of a challenge and harder fighting fish because of the higher water flow. The only few reasons I see in going over, are if you want to catch a harder fighting fish and to fish new waters. If you take on the venture however, be prepared to pay $40 for an OH non-resident license and more possibilities of getting skunked. The spring run of jacks in PA are a blast though, they fight hard and their acrobatics will make each catch a blast! Average size of the jacks usually go from about 18" to 24", but they are fun.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 09:55:39
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I agree with shut up. But there are some BIG fish in the Ohio tribs in the spring. I wouldn't be suprised if the next PA state record comes off the Connie in the spring with the size some of the Manistees get to. But they are a LOT harder to catch (for me anyway) but size does matter. Mostly it is bigger, deeper water with less sight fishing and more search fishing. Also, it seems to me that when you find 1 you will find many in the same stretch, very localized, even in a long pool. CIP: my friend and I were fishing a long hole on the Connie in Ohio and we were only about 50 feet apart and he had fish after fish on. I got nothing (as usual). When I moved up and fished right beside him I managed to hook up with 5. Maybe there was some kind of structure or seam in the water we couldn't see (the water was very cloudy) but there was just this one spot. BTW: I strongly recommend that everyone try the Ohio tribs; then you will get an understanding about real steelheading and maybe appreciate our resource more. Better yet drive oiver to Michigan or Northern Ill in the spring. BIG fish, and much harder to catch.
post edited by indsguiz - 2008/02/16 09:59:19
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chrisrowboat
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 10:16:46
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Conny fish's well in spring as do the others. Today John Naggy will be Lake Erie Ultimate Anglers that would be where I would ask your question.
Chris
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 11:05:20
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Iagree with indsguiz totally i cut my teeth on steelhead in 80s on ny tribs sandy creek maxwell creek,grindstone creek etc brushy freestone streams here no real sight fishing here you earned your fish then if you landed 2 and hooked 3 it was an achievement still is erie is fun but people that started fishing erie a few years ago are truly SPOILED and would probably give up steelheading if they had to fish michigan minnesota or other steelhead areas we truly have numbers here in pa but in reality outside pa it is more of a relaxing sport for me numbers are cool but i remember 2 day fish in ny days better than 20 something cookie cutter days in pa, and as far as the west coast we wont even go there.lol 
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 13:05:34
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as one who's fished both sides of the border regualry for near 2 decades, Ohio tribs are much harder to "catch" fish in
Just to give you a general idea
Ohio tribs typically run deeper and larger than Pa's
Matter of fact, most are "rivers", not tiny shallow clear running creeks.
Sight fishing is rare here
Now add the fact that PA stocks more fish in just Walnut and Elk, than Ohio stocks in ALL the Ohio tribs combined.
Couple that with the fact that most creeks are twice as deep and wide and 3 times as long, and you see why fishing here can be more of a challenge
as far as size, like Pa, some years the "average" size will be bigger or smaller than other years.
In "general", Ohio's manistee strain average a pound or so larger.
There's plenty opportunity to "catch" in Ohio .
Just don't expect anything like Pa waters where it's "easy" to catch 20+ fish in an afternoon with out walking more than a couple hundred yards from your car
..L.T.A.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 13:14:40
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PS.. as far as "when it's over"..
Similar to Pa, sometime in April/May a mass exodus back to the lake is triggered.
Some years earlier, some years latter.
Though a few hold overs can be found well into late May
(I caught a steelie once on June 1st)
I "general", they're pretty much gone by some time in May
(just like Pa)
..L.T.A.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 13:43:14
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Ohio doesnt get a steelhead run.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 14:59:54
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good info. I still wanna take a trip over just to see what it's like and wanted a lil heads up got what I was looking for. Thanks again.
Swinger
Ohio def gets a steelhead run.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 16:19:10
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Really guys, honestly I really think EVERYONE should go over and fish the Ohio tribs. Every day, all spring. Giant fish, just about jump into your net. Don't be discouraged; keep going back. It really is the Steelhead Shangri-la. You'll see! Ok, I just can't keep this up much longer. Tight Lines!
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/16 17:21:43
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Loomis
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/17 10:25:07
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okay I am going to use a technique rarely utilized on this board, its called "Logic" (law' jik'). Stocked fish from Ohio stage off the lake shore and get into conneaut creek, i'd say thats called a run of fish. Also with the Chagrin, Grand, and Ashtabula, same deal man. lol I dont know what youre talking about but Ohio gets a run of steelhead, if the fish didn't run, they wouldn't be caught in the river Logically speaking, the lake is thier usual habitat, they RUN into the river.
So, using some education please explain to me how Ohio does not get a run of steelhead. Im sure ill be interested to hear this.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/17 11:36:20
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I've been wanting to try the Ohio waters for a couple years now but never get around to actually going. Get in touch with me next time you're serious about it and maybe we can get together and fish Conneaut, Rocky or maybe Ashtabula.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/17 13:07:31
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No steelhead in OH. I looked and cant see them.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 03:58:52
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Yep, the only ones saying that the Ohio steelhead are tough to catch are
the folks from Ohio who want the fantastic fishing all to themselves.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 06:46:53
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The only thing worth going over to Ohio for me are the walleye in the spring and racks in the fall!
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 08:37:49
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The only thing worth going to PA for is to get to NY
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 09:54:55
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fishing is great in Ohio, don't let them fool you.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 10:35:51
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I fished the Rocky River last April one day while helping my daughter move in her new home.I had at least 20 fish on that day and landed several.I never have been there before and it amazed me to be fishing in a Metro Park and there I was catching 5 to 10 lb Steelhead in a public park.The hot fly for me that day was a white marabou streamer with a red body and tail.Also,there were few other anglers there on that day mid week.That was my only day fishing in Ohio,but I'll be there again over the Easter holiday and will explore a bit more.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 11:39:19
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haha trust me I know. thanks for all those who gave a decent answer.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 12:39:45
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 13:11:07
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Loomis, I have fished Ohio only a little so I don't have a pile of info. Chargrin and Grand. The steelhead are bigger but I'm not really into the monsters. I like regular ol' 4-5 pounders. Go to tackle shops in Ohio and ask questions. If water is high, feeder streams are a nice option and are about as big as smaller PA tribs. One day last March the fishing was about finished in PA so I went over to the Grand and Chagrin and found steelhead in a feeder stream and then in the Chargrin the next day when the water came down some. The best advice I can give you and this is not a plug. Attend dfishenfools guide taught steelhead school in March. Pretty sure it starts March 14th. That would put you way ahead of the learning curve for Ohio fishing. Costs a bit but you'll save money in the long run and you'll be in the "passing lane" as far as trying to figure Ohio out. It will save you a lot of frustration, time, gasoline and guess work.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 13:58:50
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ORIGINAL: FiveMilePete
Yep, the only ones saying that the Ohio steelhead are tough to catch are
the folks from Ohio who want the fantastic fishing all to themselves.
all you have to do is buy license and head west, Pete. I figure 3/4 of the Pa "troutgawds" will never return. It's not like fishing in clear shallow water ditches where fish can found EVERYWHERE and ANYWHERE up and down. I'm not kidding when i say Pa stocks more fish in just Elk and Walnut than ALL the stocked rivers in Ohio "combined". And the smallest stocked river with in 60 miles of the border is appx twice as wide and deep as Elk. The largest (the Grand) is 5+ times larger, deeper and wider than Elk The guys who know how to fish might do all'ite. But i promise, youinz won't be in Kansas anymore, Toto ..L.T.A.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 14:23:46
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"The guys who know how to fish might do all'ite."
thats all I needed to hear!
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 17:05:01
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One thing to remember the tresspass laws in the Buckeye aren't as lax as orus in Pa.,you must have written permission on any private property posted or not,also you can fish on metro park areas without permission..I will almost guarantee someone will call you on the permission slip.LOL..Probably 80% of Ohio streams course though private property..And don't be stupid and try to get permission at 7:00 with waders and rod in hand a lot of land owners I know and friends I know are cracking down this year against illegal parking and wondering all around their land........Ain't no chutes!!!!!!!LOL..Real learning experiance across Pa's borders......Ray
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 18:09:58
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ORIGINAL: genieman77
ORIGINAL: FiveMilePete
Yep, the only ones saying that the Ohio steelhead are tough to catch are
the folks from Ohio who want the fantastic fishing all to themselves.
all you have to do is buy license and head west, Pete.
I figure 3/4 of the Pa "troutgawds" will never return.
It's not like fishing in clear shallow water ditches where fish can found EVERYWHERE and ANYWHERE up and down.
I'm not kidding when i say Pa stocks more fish in just Elk and Walnut than ALL the stocked rivers in Ohio "combined".
And the smallest stocked river with in 60 miles of the border is appx twice as wide and deep as Elk.
The largest (the Grand) is 5+ times larger, deeper and wider than Elk
The guys who know how to fish might do all'ite.
But i promise, youinz won't be in Kansas anymore, Toto
..L.T.A.
I take it then, the Cat is too difficult to fish also.
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/18 20:42:30
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Quality over quantity I am reality I>U JC Rules!!!!!!!
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RE: For those who Fish Ohio
2008/02/19 01:02:23
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ORIGINAL: chrisrowboat
ORIGINAL: genieman77
ORIGINAL: FiveMilePete
Yep, the only ones saying that the Ohio steelhead are tough to catch are
the folks from Ohio who want the fantastic fishing all to themselves.
all you have to do is buy license and head west, Pete.
I figure 3/4 of the Pa "troutgawds" will never return.
It's not like fishing in clear shallow water ditches where fish can found EVERYWHERE and ANYWHERE up and down.
I'm not kidding when i say Pa stocks more fish in just Elk and Walnut than ALL the stocked rivers in Ohio "combined".
And the smallest stocked river with in 60 miles of the border is appx twice as wide and deep as Elk.
The largest (the Grand) is 5+ times larger, deeper and wider than Elk
The guys who know how to fish might do all'ite.
But i promise, youinz won't be in Kansas anymore, Toto
..L.T.A.
I take it then, the Cat is too difficult to fish also. Never been there. But if it's anything like the Grand, then yea, I'd say 3/4 of the pa "troutgawds" would never return for a second trip. (unless someone held their hand and/or spoon feed them this is really no knock on the youinz, i promise, but most that have never been out of PA don't know what "fishing" is. They're too used to "catching" ..L.T.A.
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