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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/07/25 20:09:44 (permalink)
Had a brief conversation with a WATERWAYS OFFICER ...asked him if they had any plans on doing anything with the property(I was at mouth by red barn)he said no we are thinking about selling it someone wants to buy it.That was not answer I wanted to hear why cant they put some money into that place we need more access not sell it!my understanding is they have money from Erie tags to make improvements I just think that property could be so much more....
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/07/25 22:02:35 (permalink)
Thanks for the update WCW. It's not a zoo and is perfect for a 16fter. Plus that 30-40 foot is just a hop, skip and a jump. Would be nice if they did put some funds into the area.
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/07/25 22:29:37 (permalink)
Yeah it's a shame they cant make it nicer ramp n dock and do some work at mouth with rocks to make it better...its only ramp from Walnut to Ohio come on PFBC
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/07/26 09:03:55 (permalink)
Yea, that is kind of BS to charge for Erie stamp, and not improve it. So if/when it sells, what about all the steelhead fishing that takes place down around the mouth, and a bit upstream?
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/07/26 10:00:07 (permalink)
My guess is the guy who owns the property next to it and all those cottages wants to buy it,if so be sure it will be POSTED and PATROLLED!!!
Fishing down there by the mouth would change that's for sure I am not sure of the property lines and who owns the beach side of the creek.
I think the property runs up to Uncle Johns so it could be a big change!
Anyone know who to contact about this I would like to send an email and I think others should too?
Ok morning rant over ...WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/07/30 11:37:14 (permalink)
WCW Thanks for the pictures they are great especially the one with the boat going thru, definitely shows exactly what you need to know to make your own decision as to weather to use this access or not, I really appreciate it
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/07/30 12:11:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pghh_flytier 2019/08/20 15:38:51
Yeah no problem I wouldn't be surprised if it is jammed shut now its always changing.Last time I was there I watched a smaller boat struggle to get in the mouth theres a strong current and it is shallow cant put motor all the way down...WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/05 17:46:20 (permalink)
Stopped by elk on Saturday, was warned by a guy in a 16' boat that he had to drag his rig into the mouth, so I guess that's it for us, at least, as far as this summer is concerned. It's a crying shame the pfbc dosen't invest more into that launch.
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/05 20:50:24 (permalink)
I agree... a little nicer dock,ramp looked good when I looked at it and some boulder work at mouth IT CAN BE DONE!
I posted about this on Facebook in the ERIE STEELHEAD FISHING REPORTS group it got a big response some interesting comments if you are interested in subject.
I don't want it turned into another WALNUT but sure would be nice to see them spend 10% of what goes into Walnut every year on ELK ACCESS...
I knew the mouth would be getting too small by now haven't been there in a lil while been working here on homestead ...WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/06 15:23:10 (permalink)
I used the elk creek access on Monday it is down to a few inches deep but its doable if you put your motor all the way up and you jump out of your boat and drag it thru this is the only way your going to be able to use it at the present time. I saw a few other boats going out and everyone used this method.
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/06 15:46:19 (permalink)
Why should you have to tho? Allocate some funds from that stamp monies and build something a little more sustainable and practical. It's a great alternative using that launch for us 16footer guys. Oh well. Preaching to the Chior I know.
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/06 22:27:12 (permalink)
I agree, it's bad enough having to pay extra just to fish Lake Erie but to hear boats under 17' need be pushed to deeper water and one must exit the boat to do it.... that sucks.

I sent an email to the PFBC inquiring about Elk Creek access..... Can't wait to see how that turns out.

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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/07 10:36:28 (permalink)
Its just a dang shame they cant do some work there at Elk...WCW
 
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/11 21:27:34 (permalink)
Been four days now, and no response to my email.

Maybe they're busy drawing up plans to enhance Elk Creek Access 😕


Do ya think?🤔


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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/12 10:03:47 (permalink)
I don't understand it really why do they not want to put money into lower Elk...again not looking for another Walnut but it could be so much more its a great area and location for boat fishermen.If there wasn't the Stamp Fund I would just be quiet and accept it but we pay and money is there to be spent right?   WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/12 10:36:56 (permalink)
WCW I agree. I dont fish Erie but I don't blame yinz guys who do, pay extra to do so and yet, can't access the lake without difficulty at a PFBC launch.

I got to looking at my email sent to the PFBC and realized, in the past, I have gotten some sort of acknowlegement saying email received & someone (or something) would get back to me.

Didn't happen this time so if not getting a response by weeks end, I'll try, try, again.

Maybe they're just soooo busy. [wink wink].

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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/14 14:45:59 (permalink)
I finally sat myself down and wrote an email to PFBC about Elk Acccess...I did get automated reply...interested to hear response.
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/14 18:27:52 (permalink)
Wellllllll heck yes.

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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/17 10:41:45 (permalink)
Mouth is now a foot wide...saw a post on fb about it...still no reply from PFBC I get the feeling they don't care...WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/17 12:20:31 (permalink)
I thought the Elk Creek Access area was supposed to be incorporated into the new state park on lake Erie. I thought I saw  an article several years ago about plans to improve the whole access area when it became part of the new park. 
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/17 12:57:54 (permalink)
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Mouth is now a foot wide...saw a post on fb about it...still no reply from PFBC I get the feeling they don't care...WCW



Me too neither WCW. Sent my email on Aug. 6th and still no response.

Maybe they're 'rebuilding' their web services... annnnd by the looks of it, the same way they maintain the launch areas.🤔


Maybe it is true, the PFBC is waiting to announce it's new logo.

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post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2019/08/17 15:51:41

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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/20 11:19:33 (permalink)
I don't have a bone is this problem, but....All the post about how it is filling in more and more sums up the reason they will not do anything with it or invest any money into it. They are seeing the same thing you are seeing. Why put money into it? It is a dredging nightmare, and the break walls like they put at Shades have proven to be fairly ineffective. Heck, Northeast Marina has a full-time employee that does nothing but move sand from one side of the marina to the other. 40+ hours a week of just moving sand to keep it from filling in the marina. 
 
I don't agree with selling it, as PA-controlled lakefront access is getting slim to find. 
 
Why not just make it a place where kayakers and small portable boats can launch from, and a place where the pellet head chasers can access the lake by shore? 
 
Problem with improving it, it won't be a nice little quiet launch and area anymore. Shades beach is a perfect example. Used to be a crappy launch that was good for boats under 21', now they improved it, and some days you can't find a place to park......
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/20 11:54:39 (permalink)
Good points and I kinda agree...They could at least clean off the existing ramp at red barn and put some rocks in to stop erosion on shore.I do launch kayak there along with others.It would be nice to see them when mouth is all sealed up to bring in a machine for a day or two and get it open again.I do not want to see a multi million dollar project done just some basic improvements so small boats can use it easier and more often.Right now best I can tell all they do is mow grass and keep gravel road kinda level.
Theres no garbage cans ,porta pots ,nada...upstream at boat ramp at least they do have cans and bathrooms but that's different property.Not holding my breath don't think anything will change and maybe that's good just seems like it could be improved with a LITTLE work...WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/20 18:46:44 (permalink)
Yet you can't launch at a PFBC maintained launch sight without a permit or power boat registration.  PFBsCam.   

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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/20 19:05:33 (permalink)
You know don't take me wrong wit all this complaining I like the access a lot and its been good to me IT IS WHAT IT IS I guess...I would hate to see access lost and just wish it would be taken care of better that's all...I told my wife this week "I am convinced the PFBC only cares about my annual payment not my opinion"...WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/20 23:27:10 (permalink)
I don't see where you're complaining. Voicing your opinion yes, complaining no.

Perhaps Bassackwards has a point when he says dredging the sight would create bigger problems. Maybe guys with canoes and yaks are saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".🤔


Regardless, you have a right to your opinion and if nothing else, created a good conversation.

BTW, I have yet to hear any response regarding my email to the PFBC about the launch sight.

I dunno, maybe the email address provided (ra-nwedureach@pa.gov) no longer works or everybody is out fishin or sumpthin. 🙄
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2019/08/20 23:35:20

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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/21 08:00:38 (permalink)
I applaud and appreciate anyone who voices an opinion to benefit the sport we all love. If you didn't care, you would care. I don't have a good answer, and I agree the PFBC is a bit "cheap" when it comes to our rights as paying fishermen. 
 
I also agree with a little attention given to the launch site would be a minimal effort project and benefit the people who do enjoy the launch.
 
However, I also applaud the PFBC for recognizing maybe they can't fix it, or can't sustain it. I wish they would "lease" these sites that can't be maintained to a business that can help take care of the property, and earn a gain from running a small tackle shop (or business of some type). Maybe they can do some development along the shore to better aid shore anglers. The state lacks public access. The PFBC should not be in the land selling business. That is our land. But I do think there are common-sense solutions that benefit the majority.   
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/21 10:05:32 (permalink)
I did some fishing out of Conneaut last year I was impressed how smoothly things operated compared to my experiences at Walnut the year before.Cost $5 to launch run by the city I believe.I do not own a boat yet but hope to have 1 next spring Elk access is closest to my home and my favorite area to fish so that's why I keep posting about it.I will keep my kayak for sure its been good to me and can always get out of Elk with it...WCW
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/21 10:54:06 (permalink)
I launched my boat out of Conneaut this year, and it is worth the extra drive.  Walnut is a madhouse.  Plus the deeper water is closer. 
 
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Re: elk creek acess launch 2019/08/21 11:43:46 (permalink)
WCW I wish I could use a 'yak' but I'm not so sure I'd be able to stand up straight and make it back to the my vehicle at days end.

Wife told me once, we could buy a trailer and she could come and haul me out of the water and take me home. Yeah right, she can't even back a trailer down a ramp.


Anyways, Cost associated wouldn't just involve dredging and that kind of monies would never be approved. Except maybe having the new PFBC Director as a frequent user of Elk Creek Access. 🤔

Unfortunately, it could never be so simple as, moving in a barge loaded with a machine for dredging. Heck engineers would have to draw up plans, which would have to be approved by this agency then, sent to that agency before sending to the other agencies where as, all needed changes would need corrected by the original engineers before returning the plans to the first agency, in order that they approve changes made by the last agency.

In summary no way will additional cost, charged to Erie anglers, be budgeted for a project such as Elk Creek Access. Unless of course, the access is frequented by the likes of a member of the PFBC higher echelon or law maker.😞


Say, there ya go, invite Director Timothy D. Schaeffer to do a little fishing. I mean heck, look what John Arway did for the Susquehanna River & now John enjoys his retirement fishing the river. umm I think John still fishes PA?
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2019/08/21 12:06:57

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