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2018/12/03 22:18:04 (permalink)

Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ?

Time to stir the pot....I know lots of guys that claim they've killed  200 lb. plus bucks , I figure most are guessing by drag weight more than scale weight....lol In all my years of hunting I can say I've never seen a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail, but I did see an Iowa buck that weighed 225 lbs. dressed out ! It looked like a small horse in the truck bed ...huge deer...never seen any even close to that size.
 
Years ago there was a big deer processer that was down near Pittsburgh somewhere and he ran an add in a bunch of local papers it said...Any deer over 200 lbs. cut and wrapped FREE ! I called the number after deer season and asked him how many deer came in and were eligible for the free processing ?  
He told me none .....not one deer over 200lbs. ever !
 
I know the game commish has a 300lb.live weight one on display in Franklin ...I believe a road kill ...had to be a real freak of nature .
 
 
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 05:04:33 (permalink)
Cap I'll betcha if them elusive PA White Tailed Deer ate icecream like the Elusive PA Black Bear or high protein dog food like do the Elusive Eastern Coyote, we be seeing some hefty weight numbers.... wudda-ya-think?

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 06:46:02 (permalink)
There's a lot of doubters out there but my son and I have always scaled our deer. Only one out of many (I'm not putting up the numbers) because no one would believe. Back in the mid 80's a farmer posted his land for 4 years because someone shot his dog and killed it. He let me hunt after the 4 year of no hunting. Plus his land was up against a county park no hunt zone. I shot a very impressive 8pts that scored 145 inches and it was weighed at the taxidermist shop at 202lbs field dressed. He estimated it live weight 265 before the rut. It's still in my game room and dwarfs the other mounts. He had to send away for a over size Canadian deer form. Since the AR we've been killing bigger body deer but truthfully the giants have weighed 165-185 lbs and they truly look huge. My son monster this year was 168 lbs. THAT'S a whole lot of deer to tip the scales at 200lbs.
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 07:00:49 (permalink)
I actually did see a PA buck, sort of, that dressed out at over 200 pounds. My Dad shot it in 1964 in Clearfield County.

I know it was over 200 because he was the meat manager at a local supermarket and his crew processed store employees’ deer after hours (something that would not happen today due to cross contamination laws) and it got weighed on the meat department scale. How much over 200 it was is debatable because instead of skinning it and hanging it like a quarter of beef, they simply wrapped the drag rope, which was some kind of vinyl covered cord used to string clothes lines, newfangled at the time, over the hook. It snapped when the weight of the deer was let hang — twice. So they triple wrapped it and tried again. When the rope started to stretch again, two people helped hold up the deer to get a reading before it broke again, so the full weight was not actually hanging when the scale read 218.

Rather than try to get a real reading, the deer was allowed to drop and the processing began because such things as weight and age and antler score meant little compared to how much meat the animal would provide. And this one would provide a lot.

The reason, I wrote PA sort of was that right around that time, PA had received (traded for?) some Michigan whitetails to compliment the VA deer and released them and this buck, and the larger one that was running with it, was obviously one of those deer and not the typical mountain deer that might top 110 pounds.

For the record, it was a 10 point with a 21 inch spread and good mass. Although I still have the antlers (mounts were for rich folks), it has never been measured. Never will be. It will simply remain John’s Big 10 Point as it was always referred to around town (even to this day when locals talk about deer season). Dad would like that.

My brother, before his death, had a deer and bear hunt brokering business that had most of their hunts on native ground in Saskatchewan. He and his clients shot many bucks that dressed over 200 with live weights approaching 300. I’ve seen the photos not from super hero angles and when I hear someone talk about a 200 pound buck and shows a photo from a low angle, I just agree and know that it probably goes 140 — 160, at best.

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 07:01:31 (permalink)
I have shot many off whitetail as well .I will have to say that it takes a very large deer to tip over 200. I killed 2 one a ohio big 8 and it tipped the scale at 198 field dressed largest deer to date. I remember it like it was yesterday. this year I killed a big 11 pt the body was massive this is in pa. only thing is I did not weight it but the butcher said he thinks its real close to 200lb I said to him I think around 175 maybe so that being said it is very hard to just guess at it. we all do it and its just a guess big tuna knows whats going on believe him as well.
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 09:39:02 (permalink)
This is a photo of that huge Iowa buck that weighed 225 dressed out....I put the sunglasses on because he's a friend and I'm not sure he wants his picture shown. After seeing this deer in his truck bed, I can say I've never seen a 200lb. Pa. whitetail ....ever !  Just a massive chest and body....too bad most deer processers don't have some type of scales ....I think most hunters would get a reality check on real deer weights. ( shot on public land too ! ) This was about 8 years ago and the picture really tells the size....awesome buck no doubt!
 
 

 
 
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 09:45:48 (permalink)
An odd thing concerning my Dad’s big buck mentioned above; I shot an 8-point in the same area (within 700 yards) in 1982 that obviously still carried my Dad’s deer’s antler genetics because it was just a smaller version. The brow tunes were bent in the same shape; the left G-2 had the same “wiggle” in the middle; and the last point off the main beam on the right side was shorter than the left and was almost flat in shape, just like the buck from the ‘60’s.

It did not, however, have the same body genetics (it was probably 2.5 yo, so had not reached its full size potential), as it was shaped like the typical mountain deer that are prevalent in that area. Apparently antler genes came from one side of the breeding and the body from a different side.

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 11:35:03 (permalink)
To answer the OP's question, probably never.  I have shot a ton of deer but I doubt any approached 200#. 
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 12:14:40 (permalink)
Best I ever had weighed on Ct. State scales was 188- don't EVER wanna try and get a 200 out of the woods.
Congrats to your friend big Deer and GREAT rack too.
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 12:17:45 (permalink)
I don't believe I ever saw a #200 whitetail on the hoof. They are out there but very rare indeed in Pa.

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 13:01:52 (permalink)
Also I'm just using that photo as an example of deer weight..... I realize mid west bucks are much bigger genetically then our northeastern deer. 
 
Years ago while hunting out of my uncle's camp in Forest county one of our guys bagged an enormous size doe. It dwarfed all the other doe hanging on the outside deer pole. A real cow everybody said ! We along with other cabin hunters took turns guessing the weight....now mind you these are avid seasoned hunters with most hunting many years. The overall guessing was mostly 150-200 lbs. hanging weight by many of the onlookers . A few weeks later I ran into my friend that shot the monster cow doe and he did go out of his way to get it weighed......135lbs ! He wasn't surprised at all because he himself and myself both said about 125...maybe on the guessing.  
 
I remember the Game Commission I believe sold tape measures that were able to estimate the deer weight around the chest measurement. I had one but it didn't seem very accurate ......seemed to read too heavy on most deer.
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 15:26:59 (permalink)
Right about now I could go for a 60 pound bologna doe.

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 17:40:51 (permalink)
Dardy's make mine a pound of deer burger mixed with 1/4 pound Sage sausage, made into 1" thick patties, fried medium rare, between two toasted buns topped with bacon, onion, tomatoe, lettuce and a dollop of mayo. (Helmans)

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 17:47:54 (permalink)
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Dardy's make mine a pound of deer burger mixed with 1/4 pound Sage sausage, made into 1" thick patties, fried medium rare, between two toasted buns topped with bacon, onion, tomatoe, lettuce and a dollop of mayo. (Helmans)

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 19:12:00 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CAPTAIN HOOK 2018/12/05 14:30:19
Funny I shot a pile of doe in 56 years of hunting. And like alway,I weigh every deer. I shot a doe in Washington county,that was a beast. She went 127 lbs and yes that's the biggest on I ever shot. 90-110 is the average doe in my area. Some acquaintances of mine once told me he got 200lbs of meat from a spike he shot up the mountains.lol Lucky if the deer weighed 110 field dressed.lol
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/04 19:22:31 (permalink)
Mopars I hear ya buddy and I was ready to heat up the skillet when I remembered I need the deer burger. Dam it!!!

Oh Wellllll, baloney and cheese samidges aint so bad. 'cept it aint deer baloney. 🎅 Stupid deer!!!

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 06:20:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CAPTAIN HOOK 2018/12/05 14:30:59
Deer weight is like steelhead weight. A friend of mine bought me a good, large net that has a fairly accurate scale in the handle. It turned a lot of monster 10 pound steelhead into 6.5 pounds.

Can only recall a handful or so from Erie tribs that actually pulled down to or past the 10 pound mark (biggest bounced around 13+/-).

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 08:15:43 (permalink)
I caught a World Record bass while fishing with two friends in the Everglades in the early seventies. Needless to say I made my friends miserable wanting to get to shore to weigh this monster! They finally gave in and when we got to shore I jumped out of the boat and ran to the bait shop with my prize. When I asked to have my fish weighted  the owner looked at me and said " Son, we throw those ones back." Biggest  bass I had ever seen 10 pound 4 ounces. 
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 08:30:36 (permalink)
I have a long time friend that lives in Grand Marais Minnesota. the local big buck pool is not antler based but weight. He tells me a 225 lb buck will seldom win they need to be bigger.
  I have never seen a 200 lb deer shot in PA. I know they are out there but I have never witnessed one down. I have seen a half dozen in my lifetime on the hoof that were huge deer unfortunately for one reason or another they remained on the hoof. Most were out of season when I saw them.
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 14:54:30 (permalink)
Even with all the road kills over many years I'd say nothing close to 200 ever seen !
Some looked it blown up after about two weeks in the hot sun ....lol
 
Should have had my deer baloney(doe )yesterday....I decided to pass on two medium size deer at 30 yards away ....I'm getting soft on doe I guess . Some years I squeeze some years I just look......lol   Maybe Saturday ?
 
One year the US Forest Rangers were weighing deer in Elk county during doe season. They drove around and were asking hunters to weigh and age their harvested deer. My doe was 85 lbs. dressed, my other two friends deer were 65 & 55lbs. He told me mine was the second largest (heaviest) deer checked that whole day ! That was the days (70's ) of seeing 40 plus deer a day was the normal up there.  Owl's Nest area....good grouse area too.
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 16:26:26 (permalink)
On the other end of the scale (sorry), a friend of mine shot a really little doe one year. When he got it back to his hatchback car, he wanted to prevent getting blood all over. So he decided to stuff the open part of the deer into a plastic bag he had in the car.

The bag in question was a Trilene bass tournament weigh-in bag used to carry fish from the boat to the scale. As he tells the story, he first put in the middle of the deer, then the back legs. With more room available in the bag, he kept stuffing until the entire doe was inside the clear bag. It was that small.

His total weight of meat received from the processor was 17 pounds.

When asked why he shot such a small deer, he said he thought it was farther away than it was and he thought it was a normal sized deer.

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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 17:20:06 (permalink)
Yes but, those suitcase deer are a lot easier to drag.  lol  sam
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 20:29:34 (permalink)
That's true .....lol
 
I heard from one guy I worked with said his buddy carried out a small deer in his game bag vest one year.
 
The sorriest game picture I'd ever seen was a cub bear shot in Pa. years ago. It was at a local mountain store photo display game billboard. The guy held the cub up on the store's counter sitting like a teddy bear ....the bear weighed 35lbs ! A real proud kill......
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Re: Ever see a 200lb. Pa. Whitetail Deer ? 2018/12/05 22:36:54 (permalink)
Don't know when they changed the law on shooting cub bears but they need bring the law back.

Pretty simple to judge a juvenile from an adult. Need only look at the size of the head as compared to the body.

Hunters who can't judge by that rule need not be allowed to play, with real guns.

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