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2018/11/28 06:44:27 (permalink)

Allegheny River Tionesta

Can anyone tell me how much snow is on the ground in Tionesta?   I would like to put the boat in up there and try for some walleye.  I don't want to make the trip if I'm going to have a hard time putting the boat in and out of the river.
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/11/28 07:31:12 (permalink)
About 3in of snow , but the river is 3ft high and muddy
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/11/28 09:01:45 (permalink)
Thanks for the reply.   It has been tough this fall to get the river level fishable and be off work at the same time.
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/11/28 20:32:44 (permalink)
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  It has been tough this fall to get the river level fishable and be off work at the same time.




It's actually been tough on the Allegheny all year, spring through fall. I've only been out 4 times, 3 of them in high, fast (but not muddy) water. Right now at Freeport it's at least 3' up, and the borough hasn't even been able to remove the docks from the river and at the launch on Buffalo Creek. They usually have them out the end of October.

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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/02 20:09:32 (permalink)
I like to fish the river when it's high. The walleyes stack up in the current breaks.
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/03 16:37:10 (permalink)
High = good. More off color than you would think = good. But, blown out (e.g., no way to attribute any shade but brown to the water color) = waste of time and gas money. That's true no matter where you are. Don't sleep on the river in Oil City--entire stretch from Oil Ck. mouth down to fast water at bend holds the same or better Walleye population than farther up river. Less crowded too.
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/04 15:27:04 (permalink)
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High = good. More off color than you would think = good. But, blown out (e.g., no way to attribute any shade but brown to the water color) = waste of time and gas money. That's true no matter where you are. Don't sleep on the river in Oil City--entire stretch from Oil Ck. mouth down to fast water at bend holds the same or better Walleye population than farther up river. Less crowded too.




Um, spot burn?
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/04 15:33:43 (permalink)
We fished the River for years back in the 80s n early 90s. Many spots from Franklin up to the Tionesta Bridge. I wont put them out on open air, but many many spots. It's been so long some may be posted by now. Who knows
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/04 17:08:33 (permalink)
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High = good. More off color than you would think = good. But, blown out (e.g., no way to attribute any shade but brown to the water color) = waste of time and gas money. That's true no matter where you are. Don't sleep on the river in Oil City--entire stretch from Oil Ck. mouth down to fast water at bend holds the same or better Walleye population than farther up river. Less crowded too.




Um, spot burn?


Haa ha...... spot burn?? Anybody what's ever feeshed the mighty Allegheny (LaBelleRivere) muup stream from Franklin to Oil Cty knows to feesh where the dredging ended and just down stream there of.
post edited by BeenThereDoneThat. - 2018/12/04 17:14:52

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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/05 10:01:59 (permalink)
I fished the river a few times this past week. I'm fishing between the locks and the current is still swift.  Ugly stik mentions current breaks.  I was fishing creek mouths (not a big secret) and had most of my success actually trowing out into the river current.  The fish seemed to prefer the current.  I caught very few in the creek itself.
Do you guys think the fish are there b/c of the creek and not so much for the current break that happens where the creek meets the river?  When I think I got stuff figured out, I don't.   The fish usually end up humbling me.
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/05 14:26:33 (permalink)
One thing I've learned about river fishing is there are certain spots fish will hold or stage usually year after year. There is also a lot of dead water that just doesn't hold fish , so a lot comes with trial and error or experience. I personally like slower tail out water before a strong riffle if that can be found. Feeder creek mouths also seem to hold fish steady too, and yes they prefer the main river current mostly. I think a lot has to do with oxygen and temps of the feeder creeks and I'm sure some bait washing in also. 
 
I'll see Pike move up into these small feeder creeks a lot during spring spawning in March.  
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/06 07:08:13 (permalink)
I have heard / read that hair jigs produce in the colder water.  I have been trying hair jigs and I got to tell ya,  I haven't got a bite on these things.   How am I to fish these?  Just real them in? Suspend them vertically?  I usually fish them when the bite gets slow and don't give them much time.  I have no confidence in them.  I feel like I'm wasting my time using them.  Anyone out there have any pointers for me? 
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/06 07:42:24 (permalink)
Get yourself a bucket of creek bait. Shiners, Chubs maybe even some Suckers. 3 to 4 inches.
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/06 13:51:51 (permalink)
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/06 14:24:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Fisherlady2 2018/12/06 15:44:47
Can't argue the live bait thingy.

I am however an avid fan of jigs. But first and foremost a firm believer that it is a must, an angler have faith in his bait live or not.

Second it is important that an angler understand his quarry.

Third an angler must have faith that his quarry exist in the area where he chooses to fish.

Fourth, an angler must have faith in his presentation, given his quarry.

If your looking to go "catching" fish in numbers and or bragging rights, your number one game plan is to fish pre-spawn conditions for your quarry.

If your looking to enjoy the outdoors and build fond memories along with catching a fish or two than your looking to go fishing.

Anyways, pending your quarry, jig size does matter given this time of year. But more importantly, the colder the water the slower your retrieve of your bait. As a wise Ole angler once said, if you think your retrieving too slow, than you need slow down.

Jigs are fun and can be presented in multiple ways but it is very necessary to keep a taught line the entire time the jig is sinking. Most strikes will occur as the bait sinks. Hopping your jig back or dragging the jig until you bump then hop the jig over the object can be deadly. Just remember, the colder the water, SLOW DOWN.

Try different retrieves but always slow.

I find, say for Crappy, a jig with few hairs an inch or two works good for me. While jigs tied heavy with 1" or less hair works good for smallies in the criks and rivers.

Large mouth like the longer thicker haired jigs when ya bump a sunken log or throw into a pile of wood. Use heavy thicker hair to serve as a weed guard at the hook and thinner longer hairs to represent your bait. Just don't overkill with the hair.

Always remember to have faith in your fishing cause guaranteed, something good will occur, giving you some great memories.

OH....and if you do not catch something, there's always a good reason....... stupid fish!!!

Tight lines and good times.

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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/07 08:50:03 (permalink)
All of my best days on the upper Allegheny have come when I caught the bait from the riffles in the river (blue sides/riffle runners).  Store bought bait and creek chubs/suckers from Pittsburgh creeks just don't seem to produce as well.  
 
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/07 14:47:55 (permalink)
While I have caught eye on store bought flatheads there is no substitute for chubs or runners. The later bait produces more and larger fish. In lieu of bait a jig and white 3 or 4" twister tail works.   
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/07 19:08:48 (permalink)
Imo, "full back" suckers are the best but it's hard to get them this time of year as they go dormant. We have used "riffle runners" also.
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/07 19:46:07 (permalink)
These riffle runner minnows are you guys seining them or actually fishing maggots for them ?
I only fish the Allegheny a few times a year near Kennerdale so that's new to me. 
 
I know over the years those dark black head fatheads are a waste of time for bait ......I'll take those silvery fatheads and toss those carp looking black heads out. 
 
I seine my own creek minnows locally and they are much better than bait shop fatheads, but I've never seen Riffle Runners that I know of.    
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/09 19:16:41 (permalink)
I fished tionesta Saturday.  2 other guys were fishing.  Sadly I didn't move a fish, but I was mostly throwing musky baits.   I fished the spill, the cribbage dam and the island boat launch.  I see they opened the walk-around behind the spillway outlet (good to know so you don't have to take the long walk through the campground).  Clarity in tionesta Creek to the river was about 4-5ft. River was about 3 ft of clarity.  Maybe someone else will have better luck and share their success secrets (PM me!)  Good luck out there...it was quiet and beautiful but the rocks were slick.  Great place...
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Re: Allegheny River Tionesta 2018/12/09 20:05:33 (permalink)

Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~
 
 
 
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