New Otter's Soft Egg Material

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2008/02/09 18:52:13 (permalink)

New Otter's Soft Egg Material

After tying flies now for some 35 years, I have seen material come and go - some of it has been great while others were just so so. A while back I discovered Otters Soft Eggs and like many of you I was somewhat skeptical as to the durablility of this material. But after trying it and following Walt Meullers tying instructions, I must say that I use this material to tie many of my steelhead flies and have had much success with them. While at the Eastern Fly Fishing show held in New Jersey a few weeks ago, I was pleased to find that Mr. Meuller has come out with a new material that he calls the OS3. It is a "chain" of small eggs that when cut into groups of 6 or 8 and tied and glued on the hook - they strongly resemble sucker spawn. I purchased some and have got to say that this material has got to be successful. The best place to purchase Otter's Soft Eggs is at montanafly.com but they don't have the OS3 yet. You'll have to be on the look out for it. I really think it is a great material and if tied correctly will be very durable. Understand - it may sound like I have a financial stake in this - I don't. I'm just a guy who ties for all species of fish and am always looking for new material. I believe this is one that will be very successful.
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    steely34
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/09 19:16:36 (permalink)
    Apparently I cannot figure out how to post more than one picture per post so here is a cluster I tied using the OS3 giving you the idea of what you can use this material for. I believe it will be coming out in many colors.
    post edited by steely34 - 2008/02/09 19:21:40

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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/09 20:49:09 (permalink)
    I want some,that stuff just went on my birthday list!
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/10 10:49:18 (permalink)
    Wow, that fly does look good.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/10 11:01:43 (permalink)
    where do you purchase this material ?.....jim
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/10 12:12:03 (permalink)
    Guys: Go to scott@bearsden.com to get on his mailing list or call Scott at (508) 977-0700 to see if he has any more of the OS-3 material ( OS-3 stands for Otter's "Soft Sucker Spawn". He had OS-3 materials at the Somerset Fly Show, and he may have some left. If not, I know he will be ordering more.  The best colors, in my opinion, are the Buff (natural), Apricot, Apricot Opaque, Tangerine, Tangerine Opaque, and Tango and Tango/Silver Flash. But, we also have 8 other additional colors available. The one that  Steely 34 posted looks like the clear Apricot color. Steely 34- is this the correct color you used? Also, I have had reports from several friends that they are doing well for steelhead on this pattern, even with only 4 eggs on a #14 hook, up on the Catt, but only during clear water conditions, since this fly is so small.
    Steely 34's picture is a neat deviation of how I usually tie this pattern. That's what makes fly tying so great-everyone can put their own "twist" on a fly to satisfy their personal tastes!
    Also, if anyone wants the free tying instructions, just send me your e mail and I will forward a pdf file on this pattern, and my other egg patterns if you wish, plus helpful Notes on use of the materials. My e mail that you can get me at is softmilkingegg@hotmail.com. Thanks for the pictures, steely 34, and your discussion.
    Walt Mueller Jr. , "The Otter"
    post edited by TheOtter - 2008/02/10 12:13:41
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/10 12:21:54 (permalink)
    To answer your question Walt - yes apricot is the color that I used in the pictures. The fly that I tied is somewhat of a deviation from what you were showing me at the show. Guys - like Walt said you can either tie just four on the hook or bunch them like I did. Either way you gotta believe that this material will work great on Steelhead.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/27 12:17:12 (permalink)
    Walt,
     
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/27 20:43:45 (permalink)
    steely34
    Found some Otter eggs at Cabelas and Pro Bass web site are these the same eggs and what mm (size) did you use?
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/28 16:28:12 (permalink)
    Roadking, Most likely the eggs you found at Cabelas and Bass Pro are not the OS3 type material that Otter's just recently came out with. I've been looking at both stores on-line and although they do have the single and cluster eggs I have yet to see that they carry the OS3 material. This material is very new. Over the past few years though I have had much success with the egg material that is found at Bass Pro and Cabelas. I've mostly used it on Steelhead but I have caught trout on them. All colors seem to work just fine with no color really being my favorite. You do need to follow Walt Meuller's tying advice though. His method of tying them make them much more durable. Otter's soft eggs, from what I've found, is my go to material for steelhead. Hope this helps you out. I've found that bearlodgeangler.com is the best place to purchase Otter's eggs but they do not have the OS3 material yet.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/28 19:35:26 (permalink)
    Thanks 
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    Where did you get the pattern on how they are tied. Probably could experiment and get it. Do a lot of that and come up withsome good results now and then. I'll keep looking for the OS3. Glad you helped I spend enough money buying tying material online that I can't really look at till I receive it.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 17:35:43 (permalink)
    Roadking,
    The pattern you see on the picture is a variation of how Otter's ties them. I came up with it myself and use two seperate pieces of the OS3 material. One is a "link" of 3 and the other is a "link" of 4. I push both pieces onto the hook after I put some superglue on the shank. I then fold both pieces over and once again push the ends onto the hook shank - kind of like weaving the material onto the shank. I also use Otters veil material when I tie them. Again - I have yet to use the new OS3 material on steelhead but will be doing so in a few weeks. I also found that by mixing colors when tying these that a kind of translucent effect occurs making them look even better. At some pint - perhaps this weekend if I get some time - I'll post some step by step pics on how I tie these. Hope this helps. Keep on the lookout for the OS3 though - hopefully it will come out soon.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 19:06:00 (permalink)
     
     
    Here is how I tie the new OS3 material. First start by tying in the veil material near the bend of the hook as such: Lay the material on top, wrap forward to the eye, fold the material back onto itself and wrap back to the bend.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 19:11:59 (permalink)
    Next, cut two pieces of the OS3 material - one with a "chain" of 4 and the other with a "chain" of 5. Put some superglue onto the hook shank and "impale" the pieces onto the hook - through the eye just below the first row of eggs as shown. The os3 material has a flat side to it so make sure that the first set on the hook has the flat side toward the eye and the next set has the flat side toward the bend of the hook. This way the rounded egg side will be facing outwards on the finished fly.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 19:14:05 (permalink)
    Next - fold the first piece down and "impale" it through the eye. Lightly put superglue on the back of this piece.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 19:18:20 (permalink)
    Then fold the next piece and again "impale" it through the eye just behind the first row of eggs. The next step is very important to the durability of this fly. Dab a small amount of superglue on the top and begin taking a few wraps around the entire cluster beginning at the rear and working forward to the eye. Best results are achieved by using pink thread and wrapping between the rows. The pink thread will not show on the fly.
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 19:21:12 (permalink)
    Place a small drop of superglue on top of the fly, take the veil material and bring it forward to the eye and tie off. Then you can fold it back over the fly again to give it more appeal. Whip finish off. Reminder - use the veil material sparingly. Actually in these pics I used too much. I just wanted to show how to use it.

    post edited by steely34 - 2008/03/01 06:31:21
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 19:23:49 (permalink)
    Finished fly using Otters new OS3 material. Hope this helps you out Roadking! Best of Luck to ya!
    Call it Steelies Spawn if you want.
    post edited by steely34 - 2008/02/29 19:28:37
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/02/29 20:21:34 (permalink)
    STEELY34
    Thanks for the tying lesson now just need to find some OS3 sort of tired of tying spawns even though they worked well on the steely's for me this year. Need to get out again but looks like Mother Nature wants me to take a break. Might check out the outdoor show over the Convention Center Sunday.
    Thanks Again
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/03/01 00:46:37 (permalink)
    1roadking: Are you referring to tying up spawn sacks, in your 2/29/08/8:21PM posting? Let me know, and I can help you tying some out of our egg materials, in your normal nylon or polymide scarf materials! A drop of scent, and you only need 4 or 5 to use for a full day! I used them on my last trip to the Catt in November, and expect to use them again the first week of April.
    Walt Mueller, Jr "The Otter"
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    RE: New Otter's Soft Egg Material 2008/03/01 07:58:54 (permalink)
    The Otter
    No I meant tying sucker spawn and single eggs I enjoy tying and then getting somthing to want to eat it LOL. Some of my first flies were so bad I think the fish attacked them in self defense. I tie alot of nymphs and some caddis drys steely streamers and ants ,grasshopers, etc.
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