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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/10/25 16:54:36 (permalink)
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Check out the dudes on Youtube cleaning catfish with those electric knives.

I now have a sure fire way to keep from catching those pesky critters. I'll buy a electric knife so I can fillet them with little difficulty and I won't catch another one.šŸŽƒ

I just started keeping channels this past year.  Get all of the red/silver meat out.  Soak the fillets in water in the fridge and change water 3-4 times in 24 hours.  The meat is as white and tasty as just about any other.  They are a breeze to clean.  But feel like a waste with head and ribs being so large and little meat on them.  I've had them without that red/silver meat removed, and was disgusting.  I think this is the issue many have with fish in general.
 
I'll break out my kitchenaid electric knife, if I do a mess of pan fish, depending what they are.  I end up not getting nearly as much meat out of the rib cage area, as I do, if using a standard fillet knife.  Although takes about 1/3 the time.  With perch, I don't like wasting the rib cage meat, too good.  Crappie, I don't mind as much, as they have a nice section of meat behind the belly.  Their "Y" bone at the rib cage is a bit harder to cut through too, and usually end up with just a sliver there anyway.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/10/26 12:27:05 (permalink)
Y bone at the rib Cage? Any pics to show?
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/10/26 19:18:42 (permalink)
Spoke with my local fish warden this morning at the post office.  He said the new regs. were 20 per person/ 9" long min. 
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/10/26 19:38:48 (permalink)
20 is plenty if you get em 10" and up, IMHO.

We use electric knives for everything, jus say'IN. Hopathisahelpa
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/06 11:45:02 (permalink)
Chauncy I bet Porktown means the false rib or pin bones that separate the loin from the belly meat. Not so much like what we have in Pike and Musky as a Y bone.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/06 18:36:12 (permalink)
Yes, that section of bones is what I am referring to.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/06 20:48:08 (permalink)
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Chauncy I bet Porktown means the false rib or pin bones that separate the loin from the belly meat. Not so much like what we have in Pike and Musky as a Y bone.


I've probably cleaned thousands of crappies in my lifetime but I can't figure out what bones you guys are talking about. Would you give me a visual if you have time? Really curious as to what you call Y bones in crappies. PM me if you want too.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/07 08:36:11 (permalink)
By Schul-Naturgeschichte 1891, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.../index.php?curid=33053
 
 The bones that are illustrated as #18. They are located behind the head and are sort of perpendicular from the ribs toward skin and running from each rib part way toward the tale. They are pesky little rascals and if it were not for them I personally would get more fillet off most fish. I have a method for Walleye to remove them and bigger perch, gill, and crappies however waste more  rib meat on smaller fish.
 On Pike this bone is not a straight spike it is the notorious Y bone. I can remove it but it is a chore. In Canada I have watched locals remove it kind of slick but they discard some fillet. I do not have the method down. I use the treesparrow reading glasses and slow dissection method.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/07 08:55:56 (permalink)
Check out 2 minutes into this video.  This is a bluegill, but I am pretty sure crappie have, perch definitely do.  I think most fish have?  I know walleye, trout, bluefish, redfish, croaker, black drum, pompano, striped bass, ect. all have.  Definitely different than pike, which I have only filleted maybe 5 in my life, and mostly butchered.  Definitely using the wrong terminology in "Y" bone above.  With crappie, their rib bones go so close to the skin, I usually have a hard time to get a good rib section of meat without messing it up.  It is usually at the point where most fish's "pin bones" are, where I have difficulty on crappie.  I wasn't sure if their bones are thicker causing the issue, but I think it is more the ribs running so close to the skin.  
 
When I fillet just about any fish, I will do similar to this video.  Run a cut through the back along the spine about 1/4" in, just to cut the skin first.  Then work the knife along the back, until it hits the rib cage, then work the knife around the rib cage.  Right at the lateral line, there is a series of bones that I cut through, then follow along the rib cage to grab that meat.  Once I have the fillet off, I rub my finger along that line to find them, and make a cut on the top and bottom of those bones and take them out.  Just about every crappie fillet video that I have watched, guys don't save that meat.  It is paper thin, but when fried is like chicken skin, and probably horrible for you, but delicious...      
 
When cleaning a mess of fish, I break out my electric knife and just cut right down along the spine and through the rib cage.  Then cut around disregard the rib meat (which has these pin bones in), and takes 1/3 of the time. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itbh_H-NtU0
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/07 08:57:35 (permalink)
Thanks Treesparrow!  Definitely #18.
 
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/07 10:38:58 (permalink)
Spot on Porktown.  All sunfish have those bones, and most fish shaped the same way.  Catfish do not, flounder do not.  Tuna and mackerel do, and they are much bigger and heavier on those fish.  
 
On the one side of panfish I can get the knife around those and get the belly meat.  On the other side I cut through them and then cut them out after I have the fillet.  But that's because I grew up doing one side and then passing the fish to my dad.  That hosed me on filleting for the longest time.  
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/09 12:13:13 (permalink)
Sam,
Do you cut the first fillet completely off, before going to the second side?  If so, try cutting one side past those pin bones, leaving the tail meat and rib attached to the carcass, then stopping and flipping the fish over before doing the rib meat and taking fillet off of the fish.  Then fillet the second side like you normally would, keeping the first fillet somewhat in tact with the fish.  If the fish is resting on it's head/gills, with no meat on that side to support, it bends the fish, and makes it a pain in the rear to fillet the second side.  
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2016/11/09 14:30:22 (permalink)
That's interesting, I'll have to try that.  Next year, when it isn't polar bear weather.  :)
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/07 13:37:49 (permalink)
Just picked up my new license and fishing guide. No changes to the panfish limit on pymy that I can find, so I guess it's business as usual
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/07 17:39:12 (permalink)
Ya, new reg doesn't go into effect until Jan 1 '18. From what I gather, they didn't have enough time to put it on the books for this new fishing year. Uncle of mine talked to Harrisburgh and that's the reason they gave him.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/08 16:03:10 (permalink)
Pymie is a Crappie factory. It will be interesting to see what happens with the new regs.
 

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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/09 12:17:23 (permalink)
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I think this change is a good one. 20 per day has to be 9 inch min. let them grow up some. whats your thoughts.


they don't grow any larger than 8 15/16 ths.  its happening on sayers lake as we speak. lots of panfish but very few that are legal. it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/11 13:46:27 (permalink)
Are the new regulations for Pymi only, or they for all Pa. fisheries?
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/11 14:55:16 (permalink)
the ones that are being talked about here is for pymie only
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/27 21:35:42 (permalink)

This article was from yesterday on WFMJs website.  Sounds like the new regs will go into effect this March, regardless of being in the license information this year.  They are posting signs all around the lake.  Someone posted on here that it wasn't in the new regs, but that had to be a Pa license as Ohio hasn't gone on sale yet

Posted: Jan 26, 2017 12:58 PM ESTUpdated: Jan 26, 2017 1:39 PM EST 

 
 


Anglers who enjoy trying their luck at Pymatuning Lake will find some restrictions in place in order to protect a popular fish.
As of March 1, the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission and Ohio Division of Wildlife are limiting the Crappie catch to 20 fish per day and a nine inch minimum size.
According to the Ohio Department of Natural resources, Crappies are one of Ohioā€™s easiest fish to catch and are great for trips intended to get kids hooked on fishing. 
The restrictions are in place on both the Ohio and Pennsylvania sides of the reservoir.
Signs will be posted around the lake informing people of the new regulation.
Officials say the reservoir experienced a large increase in Crappie abundance and quality between 2001 and 2012, which led to what the commission says were dramatic increases in angler pressure.
An increase in demand and decrease in supply of the fish led to unsatisfactory results for anglers.
Based on the decline, Ohio approached the PFBC to discuss implementing a more restrictive angling regulation.
An opinion survey conducted by the Ohio Division of Wildlife found that 88% of the anglers interviewed agreed with placing harvest restrictions on Crappies on the reservoir.
ā€œThese regulations have been used to improve Crappie size structure and density in other Pennsylvania lakes where they have been applied and will likely have similar positive results in Pymatuning Reservoir,ā€ said Jason Detar, chief of the PFBCā€™s Division of Fisheries Management.
The effect of the regulations will be monitored through annual trap net surveys and through age and growth statistics, which are computed annually.
Pymatuning Reservoir is Pennsylvaniaā€™s largest inland lake and is located in Crawford County, Pa., and Ashtabula County, Ohio.
 

  
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/27 22:15:14 (permalink)
Thank you Opsman.

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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/27 23:32:42 (permalink)
  This should be purdy hilarious with 2-4 fishing on a boat 
 Feel kinda sorry for 'em...
 
 Don't forget the livewell... he can check that with a couple Cats/Smallies/Gills/Perch in the mix  & when one comes on board it can put u over weight limit for a law infraction  
 
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/27 23:55:56 (permalink)

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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/31 12:27:07 (permalink)
I personally would love to see statewide regulations on all panfish. Size and reduced limits. 20-25 combined species is enough for anyone but fish hogs. Would be nice to catch quality Panfish in the big lakes again,Pymy,Shenago,Wilhelm,and Arthur all had there hey day even the gills,at P.I. are small compare to the old days. 9.5" pumpkin seeds where the norm now a 8" fish is a giant.lol Pymy still has some very nice crappie.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/31 12:38:15 (permalink)
20-25 limit on combined species wont make a lick of difference on small lakes like Kahle. Straw hatters come with 2 or 3 people in a boat, 6 days a week in the spring when the perch and crappie and gills are on the nest
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/01/31 16:04:42 (permalink)
I hear ya psu, had a little deer mecca behind my house,long story short,Amish logged the land across the road,it was a big parcel 200 acres,they shot 33 deer on the first day 3 years ago,it never been the same. The warden told me all the deer where tagged. Big deal,one guy shots 5 and puts someone tag on it. They killed anything that move from a 40lb doe fawn to a 156 BC buck. Warden told me he feels sorry for them. Even though it's not the same back there they remember and come back once each year and get a few more,but it's the second week of the season so they can bang doe. I've killed one deer in 3 years back there and 8 pts with a bow.
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/02/01 19:54:52 (permalink)
I have only "one issue" with Amish they never served for our country even in wartimes !
They enjoy all the freedoms, but without any cost to them. They use the religion excuse they don't believe in killing people, but lookout when it comes to deer and other animals !
They are killing machines !  
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/02/01 22:27:00 (permalink)
CAPTAIN HOOK
I have only "one issue" with Amish theyĀ never served forĀ our country even in wartimes !They enjoy allĀ the freedoms, but without any cost to them. They use the religion excuse they don't believe in killing people, but lookout when it comes to deer and other animals !They areĀ killing machinesĀ !Ā Ā 
. Agree 100% Captain ........

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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/02/02 08:17:12 (permalink)
I don't think truer words have ever been spoken and I could not agree more!
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Re: NEW REGS FOR PYMIE CRAPPIE. 2017/02/02 08:52:00 (permalink)
It's called "FOOD"
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