hot tuna
I am far from a purist , just a fisherman that follows the regulations set forth to protect the future of our privlage .
It's people that could care less , by hook or crook , that put a strain on the fisherman and force the DEC to enact more regulation .
How do you troll ? By any means possible , like a drake ?
If the regulations say 3 rods per angler do you use 4 ?
If it says artificial only , do you use bait ?

What is the difference in what you are saying then if you reply no .
If you say yes , then your a crook

Tuna, that's a nice quote above...I too follow the regulations.  Using 1/0 hooks was within the regulations but you guys called me a snagger when all I was doing was what you yourself espouse above.

Tuna, unless you know I drag fish by the tail, dorsal, or anywhere else beside the mouth, you outta shut the Heck up...

Only you or people around you know . If your that shallow that you can even fool yourself then yes , I will shut the heck up as its a total waste of my time to fish the same waters as those who feel good about themselves for hooking fish .

Talked to the fish master himself on the phone today and hope the rod gets a good workout all week . He deserves it after missing last season . Can't wait for the real fishing reports through out the week from him , TB and Fichy . See some of you folks on the river soon :)

hot tuna
Talked to the fish master himself on the phone today and hope the rod gets a good workout all week . He deserves it after missing last season . Can't wait for the real fishing reports through out the week from him , TB and Fichy . See some of you folks on the river soon :)

I see  the dsr is sold out for Fri. . Seeya upriver if you didn't reserve a pass. I 'm thinking of going  with TB one day.  I'll let you know what's happening.

freytown
 "Trolling for pike is about as exciting as, well...., snagging salmon."
 
 How about trolling for king salmon with a charter boat.........is that boring too???
 
Why don't you folks realize that there many ways to skin a cat, stop the whining and just enjoy the fall salmon run while it lasts.

YES!

I only keep fish that I "catch" on the tooth itself. To date I have yet to catch one. I suck

May as well face it- like it or not- snagging, in one form or another, is the predominant method  of fishing on the SR.
Many here will recall the old weighted trebble hook days where it was legal.
Seems the mindset still exists-and IMHO- is generally accepted.

Actually Bear, the annual fight gets old.
It is what it is like it or not.
Just walk a bit-- find my own little pocket-- and fish away.
If I get bumped by a rude idiot- walk on and find another spot.
Cant change the tides and aint worth a fight to ruin the day.
Enjoy what ya can when ya can- IMHO.
Its why I don't fish the zones much- same stuff just a bit more stealthy ( and VERY crowded).

I'm on the SR now and there are fish in the river but they are spread out.The UFZ has not seen a good push but the LFZhas plenty and the lifters are lifting.I persom\nally managed to get 4-5 on and landed one.This morning I had a big zero,they did n't hit anything I threw at themI have no WI-FI where I'm staying so I'm in a McDonalds,which is a PAIN!

pafisher
I'm on the SR now and there are fish in the river but they are spread out.The UFZ has not seen a good push but the LFZhas plenty and the lifters are lifting.I persom\nally managed to get 4-5 on and landed one.This morning I had a big zero,they did n't hit anything I threw at themI have no WI-FI where I'm staying so I'm in a McDonalds,which is a PAIN!

Well it seems the site is reporting accurate and not exploited numbers hooked
Some have said I'm bad luck when they post big numbers on the networks and I show up and we struggle . I struggled with salmon for 2 years now from the lake to the tiver .
Last trib season I fouled 3 salmon and caught none . The lake was better but this lake season was dismal . I'm not a numbers guy so it really makes no difference in the catch as long as the experience is a lasting memory .
I don't like heavy pressure , who does . With the water dropping , I can see me doing lots of walking or bank time .
I have given thoughts towards my lake adventures . Now those who have been on the water and seeing fish , what are your thoughts as what is there and what's left to come ?
Seen lots of fish on lake 3 weeks ago , less 2 weeks ago and recently from some Intel I talk to , they are out searching deep for trout and 2 year old salmon before they totally pull out in about 2 weeks.
Good luck

Word I heard at the DEC meeting in Greece the other night is that the big blow a while back messed up the staging, and they have not been finding fish along the south shore.  The Mexico Bay area cleared as much as anywhere else, it was reported to be a 20 mile "carpet" of salmon on the bottom, but they went back deep or ran in response to the blow.  But it was also reported that they ran from deep water to the falls on the Genny on Tuesday (going down later to get a sense of the density.)  So it is hard to say how many are still out there.  Douglaston today is reporting that the three channels at the bottom end of the run were packed with fish last night, and DEC indicated Tuesday that they had made arrangements with the Canadians for eggs in case not enough hens reach the hatchery due to quantative harvest  as they run the gauntlet in the low water. 
 
It is already starting to get late for a lot of the lake guys, Saturday is the first  of October.
 

The big "blow"happened in mid July which screwed up the thermocline and sent boats on a scramble . Some say it never re established and they ( boats ) were searching for temps . The staging occurred later then normal and when I was there , there was another " blow " that had 70 deg temps from surface to bottom in up to 80 fow ( where there were staging salmon ) . You could see lots of salmon right ON the bottom , out of petered temp. Did they run into the river ? Yes , many in that group did which is what we see now in the system .
My question is where are all the fish that are " claimed " to be out in the lake that " should be the next wave ? All I'm saying is IMO , they are not there , while the dec is saying they are our should be excuse as to why they are not

I diss agree .
We cited previous harsh winters the past 2seasons .
The thermocline was well established last year and the previous , it was cold water higher in the column . The excuse as to why we couldn't find them on the lake was they were dispersed due to cooler water all over the column & wandering out of where they should be . Was the trib spawning what it shoulda been ?
The excuse I'm citing now is warmer temps down through the column .
Well , the lake temps have dropped , the fish are not there . Why ?
Do folks not remember the wild abandonment of " if you stock them , they will come " ?
With an estimated stocking of 5 million , " they came " did they not ? At lest I can recall stinking , rotting and obese salmon everywhere that it became a problem .
Now we can throw in the forage theory this season , again , due to 2 past harsh winters as to the future runs / balance . The current numbers being thrown out are 50/50 stock/ wild with somewhere around 6 million estimate . REALLY ?
People are from what I'm hearing are "hooking" fish . They are picking away at the fish by methods that resemble those of the 80's . Folks are not " catching " fish by methods we should be of today .
This is a problem .
If some are saying there is enough fish to support the " system " , changes need to be made to the " system " for those who wish to " catch " salmon .
Personally , I don't feel there is enough in numbers of fish or the estimated figures being used to support every aspect currently used to remove the fish from the system.
While I can support the theory of :
1: not enough forage to support the lake
Those also entering the spawning grounds into a trib fishery also need to be addressed

Thanks L-13 for taking the time to post the links , attend the meetings and share your thoughts . These are old dogs that need to take some blinders off and look at what's happening

Crazy- now DSR reports heavy movement and one guy hooking 100 fish and catching 20.
Nothing out there- big run- state looking into eggs from afar-185
Am I the only one going NUTS ???? or is it just Columbus weekend in the the silly season ???
Gotta love it------