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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 15:56:03 (permalink)
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Most of the center of the GOP wants government out of their business.


Trumpism is now the center of the GOP.

I do not believe the pro business, anti tax, fiscally conservative type of ideology you describe is what the party is about anymore. In the days of Reagan, Bush, Romney or McCain? Yea, maybe. But it has moved waaaaaay to right, to a very dangerous place. Joe Manchin represents that old fashioned conservative belief system more than Ted Cruz does.

Over 50% of republicans believe in Qanon conspiracy theories. That’s where the party is: globalist pedophile rings under the guise of pizza parlors and reptile people.

https://www.forbes.com/si...finds/?sh=42829d4e5231

You may not agree with some of the most progressive ideas or policies advocated by people like Sanders or AOC, but they are at least grounded in the real world. The Republican Party exists in some alternate dimension right now.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 17:14:22 (permalink)
I agree with War- as I believe in reptile people.
Aint it obvious-
There are more snakes in the democratic party of today than in the whole everglades.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 17:22:02 (permalink)
Joe Manchin must be in the wrong party then maybe he should switch?? The democratic Party isn't your daddy's party anymore either MyWar. Both partys have moved one to right and one way left.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 18:49:51 (permalink)
After years of being a PGA member have decided to pass this year - hope many others do the same.
 
They have decided NOT to play on Trumps NJ course this year -a clearly political move not golf related.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 21:11:28 (permalink)
There is no way your a pro golfer. Your just blowing smoke
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 21:33:50 (permalink)
Meanwhile, Bill Belichick refuses the presidential Medal of Freedom. Hmm. New respect.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 23:00:09 (permalink)
Pretty easy to see that both media wings are mischaracterizing both sides medium. It would be nice for a way of both sides to really have a true glimpse of each other, which isn’t any different that it used to be. Both sides media’s want each side to think their medium is where the extremes are. Sad.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/11 23:21:36 (permalink)
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Meanwhile, Bill Belichick refuses the presidential Medal of Freedom. Hmm. New respect.

Respect, maybe. Hate, always!!!
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 00:08:57 (permalink)
Yes. Just a temporary condition I believe.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 07:41:16 (permalink)
Anyone who golfs can join the PGA annualy- most folks I golf with join every year-we are farrrr from pros- darn it.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 07:50:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dano 2021/01/12 10:13:44
Irisheyeball
Meanwhile, Bill Belichick refuses the presidential Medal of Freedom. Hmm. New respect.


Don't you make me like you Bill!  
 
It is truly an upside down world.  For many years , as the cause of my confusion and despair, the Buffalo Bills  have tortured me relentlessly.  Now, in a world of confusion and turmoil, the Bills have been a beacon of weekly hope and enjoyment for me?? WTF is going on?
 
On top of it all, Bill Belichik does this
 
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 08:11:46 (permalink)
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Porktown
Most of the center of the GOP wants government out of their business.


Trumpism is now the center of the GOP.

I do not believe the pro business, anti tax, fiscally conservative type of ideology you describe is what the party is about anymore. In the days of Reagan, Bush, Romney or McCain? Yea, maybe. But it has moved waaaaaay to right, to a very dangerous place. Joe Manchin represents that old fashioned conservative belief system more than Ted Cruz does.

Over 50% of republicans believe in Qanon conspiracy theories. That’s where the party is: globalist pedophile rings under the guise of pizza parlors and reptile people.

https://www.forbes.com/si...finds/?sh=42829d4e5231

You may not agree with some of the most progressive ideas or policies advocated by people like Sanders or AOC, but they are at least grounded in the real world. The Republican Party exists in some alternate dimension right now.



So the disenfranchised part of the Republican party are the real conservatives, the Lincoln Project types.  They have no home right now.    I don't disagree that the Repubs are the party of Trump now, but I do think all of that changed last week.  The republican party has split again and the real Trumpers have moved to the right of the "reasonable Trumpers" (the ones who say they don't like him but they like his policies etc...).  Many of them are done with Donald Trump after this last national disaster.  Spme like R3 seem to persist.  
 
Here's an example of the Trumpers who are dedicated and have moved right of the party...a person in my local community owns a successful business.  She has been effectively radicalized over the last 4 years by the incessant propaganda.  Covid put her over the top.  She went to the rally.  She entered the Capital in the initial wave and she committed federal crimes.  She screamed unimaginable things about Nancy Pelosi while only feet from her and the videos she posted show the man who entered Pelosi's office only steps ahead of her.  She is the core of Trump support, at all costs.  She is a successful small business owner who has all the freedoms and trappings afforded her under the constitution of this country, yet, she attacked that very idea because she apparently wants it all.  Radical Trumpers want everything, complete control, all the service, none of the payment, all the rule, but only their rules and all for one man.  They continually think they are being cheated or wronged or dismissed when the fact is that they are some of the most comfortable and successful citizens in this country.   It's a delusion that is a branch off the tree of Americanism.  Our history has instilled in us the idea to never be satisfied, to always push, work harder, get more.  Trump has taken that idea and twisted it to make people who have achieved the American dream believe that someone is taking it from them.  The cat is out of the bag here.  The real whackos will feed off the Radical Trumpers and trouble is coming.   
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 09:46:05 (permalink)
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Porktown
Most of the center of the GOP wants government out of their business.


Trumpism is now the center of the GOP.

I do not believe the pro business, anti tax, fiscally conservative type of ideology you describe is what the party is about anymore. In the days of Reagan, Bush, Romney or McCain? Yea, maybe. But it has moved waaaaaay to right, to a very dangerous place. Joe Manchin represents that old fashioned conservative belief system more than Ted Cruz does.

Over 50% of republicans believe in Qanon conspiracy theories. That’s where the party is: globalist pedophile rings under the guise of pizza parlors and reptile people.

https://www.forbes.com/si...finds/?sh=42829d4e5231

You may not agree with some of the most progressive ideas or policies advocated by people like Sanders or AOC, but they are at least grounded in the real world. The Republican Party exists in some alternate dimension right now.



So the disenfranchised part of the Republican party are the real conservatives, the Lincoln Project types.  They have no home right now.    I don't disagree that the Repubs are the party of Trump now, but I do think all of that changed last week.  The republican party has split again and the real Trumpers have moved to the right of the "reasonable Trumpers" (the ones who say they don't like him but they like his policies etc...).  Many of them are done with Donald Trump after this last national disaster.  Spme like R3 seem to persist.  
 


“Real conservatives” =/= “Republican”

Where the Republican Party goes from here remains to be seen, doesn’t it? It’s not yet clear whether the party comes back to reality, or goes further and further down the path of Qanon extremist fantasies and delusions. But do you think shameless opportunists like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley will snap back to reality?

The hardcore Trump people are a substantial portion of Republican voters, and if the party turns their back on Trump (and them), those voters will leave and never come back. Without those voters, the party will struggle to win elections, especially at the state and national levels. That’s why the only republicans who are bold enough to denounce trump are either: (1) those not currently in office (like John kasich), (2) those who have built their own brand and have their own loyalists (like Romney), or (3) those not running again (like pat toomey). The majority of currently elected republicans do not fall into any of these categories.

But it’s really worth noting that Trump didn’t invent any of this; the right wing media machine has been setting this up for at least the last 20 years. Trump is simply selling a brand that was invented by people like Roger Ailes and Rush Limbaugh, a brand which is built on grievance politics and extremist fantasies like: birtherism, Obama was a Muslim, hordes of immigrants at the southern border, climate change is a hoax, etc... So the whole party was moving in this direction long before Trump came along, and the rabid, delusional base is by design. I really don’t think the party is gonna change up their strategy now because it’s been working so far.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 09:47:03 (permalink)
Anyone who golf can join the USGA. They have nothing to do with the PGA championship. PGA is the professional golfers association . 
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 09:50:00 (permalink)
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Here's an example of the Trumpers who are dedicated and have moved right of the party...a person in my local community owns a successful business.  She has been effectively radicalized over the last 4 years by the incessant propaganda.  Covid put her over the top.  She went to the rally.  She entered the Capital in the initial wave and she committed federal crimes. 


This is batshiit crazy and completely horrifying.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 10:02:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rippinlip 2021/01/12 12:37:05
74 million Americans voted for Trump--we are NOT all radical zealots but your neighbors who believed in his policies for our country.
Its rather insulting to constantly be bunched in with a bunch of nuts on the far right.
Many others who likely feel similarly voted for Joe as Tumps personality just didnt sit well with them and they wanted change for that reason.
Its like lumping every Democrat in with Nadler and Schiff along with Antifa- simply not the case.
Despite all the recent craziness I and many others still support the policies  put into practice under the Trump Presidency- that does not make us right fringe zealots any more than many  folks who like many of Bidens policies makes them communist/socialists.
post edited by r3g3 - 2021/01/12 10:03:56
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 10:33:14 (permalink)
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Here's an example of the Trumpers who are dedicated and have moved right of the party...a person in my local community owns a successful business.  She has been effectively radicalized over the last 4 years by the incessant propaganda.  Covid put her over the top.  She went to the rally.  She entered the Capital in the initial wave and she committed federal crimes. 


This is batshiit crazy and completely horrifying.

She came home and circulated multiple videos.  They have been submitted to the FBI's tip line.  
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 10:54:47 (permalink)
Here's the biggest problem. Why should we expect any trumpies to change their tones when orangman himself hasn't? Speaking to reporters, for the first time since this treasonous attack on the capital, he's says his comments during the "rally" were totally appropriate. What a total piece of garbage.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 11:23:48 (permalink)
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74 million Americans voted for Trump--we are NOT all radical zealots but your neighbors who believed in his policies for our country.
Its rather insulting to constantly be bunched in with a bunch of nuts on the far right.
Many others who likely feel similarly voted for Joe as Tumps personality just didnt sit well with them and they wanted change for that reason.
Its like lumping every Democrat in with Nadler and Schiff along with Antifa- simply not the case.
Despite all the recent craziness I and many others still support the policies  put into practice under the Trump Presidency- that does not make us right fringe zealots any more than many  folks who like many of Bidens policies makes them communist/socialists.



Good. You should be insulted to be lumped in with the nutters. They're destroying the party, because they're mad their god king lost an election.
The problem is, that number of nutters is MASSIVE.

It's great to see Republican office holders distancing themselves and saying "Enough is Enough". If it means anything to you, I don't lump you in with the nutters. I don't even lump you in with some of the nutters we have here. 


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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 11:36:38 (permalink)
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that does not make us right fringe zealots any more than many  folks who like many of Bidens policies makes them communist/socialists.


Well actually, according to Trump and the vast majority of currently elected republicans (as well as the entire right wing media machine) Joe Biden and the entire Democratic Party ARE all radical far left socialists. Republican rhetoric is completely devoid of any nuanced, substantive discussion or critique of Democratic policy platforms; it’s simply all scaremongering and fantasies.

So then why, if we want to talk about *you* and *your beliefs*, am I suddenly supposed to think in terms of nuance and subtle distinctions in what parts of “Trumpism” you support, and which you do not?

Republicans are all for the most part, still mostly unified behind Trump. At this point, “I just like *some* of his policies” isn’t a valid excuse for supporting a man who just incited an insurrection.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 11:37:00 (permalink)
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After years of being a PGA member have decided to pass this year - hope many others do the same.
 
They have decided NOT to play on Trumps NJ course this year -a clearly political move not golf related.


It's hard to understand why you would say things like this if you don't still support Trump.  It's also hard to not "lump you in with the nutters" if you do still support Trump after last week.  His policies are one thing, what happened last week was completely another.  
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 12:36:46 (permalink)
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74 million Americans voted for Trump--we are NOT all radical zealots but your neighbors who believed in his policies for our country.
Its rather insulting to constantly be bunched in with a bunch of nuts on the far right.
Many others who likely feel similarly voted for Joe as Tumps personality just didnt sit well with them and they wanted change for that reason.
Its like lumping every Democrat in with Nadler and Schiff along with Antifa- simply not the case.
Despite all the recent craziness I and many others still support the policies  put into practice under the Trump Presidency- that does not make us right fringe zealots any more than many  folks who like many of Bidens policies makes them communist/socialists.

Yet you're the far right nut laughing about an attempted coup as your fellow leos are being beaten and dying at the hand of these traitors. Wake up duud.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 12:58:20 (permalink)
Now forbes magazine is threatening future employers of past Trump staffers---who are the extremists ???
I suppose the regular far lefties here will support the magazines opinion..
 
 
wait for it 1----2-----3----
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 20:08:10 (permalink)
So McConnell is turning on the lame cuck. That will be the first honorable thing the man has ever done.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 20:09:15 (permalink)
Did I say “cuck”?

I meant duck.
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/12 21:16:46 (permalink)
For all you social justice warriors,..... justice has been served big league. So sad.
 
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/13 08:01:55 (permalink)
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For all you social justice warriors,..... justice has been served big league. So sad.
 
https://babylonbee.com/ne...ng-at-yellowstone-park


One of the Ya'llQaeda operatives is captured...cool.  
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/13 11:38:09 (permalink)
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After years of being a PGA member have decided to pass this year - hope many others do the same.
 
They have decided NOT to play on Trumps NJ course this year -a clearly political move not golf related.


It's hard to understand why you would say things like this if you don't still support Trump.  It's also hard to not "lump you in with the nutters" if you do still support Trump after last week.  His policies are one thing, what happened last week was completely another.  


What did he "do" last week? Try to right the stolen election? Try to halt Socialism? Should we pretend we forgot about all the BLM/Antifa thuggery? So it's OK to sell the US out to China like the Biden family did?

You should have been here yesterday.............. Streams are made for the wise man to contemplate and fools to pass by [Sir Izaak Walton]
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Re: Trump... 2021/01/13 11:42:17 (permalink)
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So McConnell is turning on the lame cuck. That will be the first honorable thing the man has ever done.

Rino. The Dems are good at that. Lies, deception, cheating.

You should have been here yesterday.............. Streams are made for the wise man to contemplate and fools to pass by [Sir Izaak Walton]
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