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Re: Trump... 2019/12/15 10:47:51 (permalink)
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Biden has had a nice career in politics and has enjoyed a good reputation along with reaching high offices --
Kinda think its time now for his family to get involved-
get him a nice place in the country where he can run in the fields and chase rabbits for the rest of his life.


You forgot..... annnnnnnd has done nothing butt benefit from "quid pro qou".

As for putting "Uncle Joe" out to pasture, I'm thinking that's all he will receive in the conclusion.

Not likely what his victims wish for (or deserve) butt... that's our guvrmint in a nut shell..

As for HiTlary Clinton, I'm thinkin she's thinkin Trump ain't gonna get Impeached and now she's thinkin she should have been thinkin like "Uncle Joe" was thinkin and now HiTlary is thinkin she should be thinkin about hiding from future investigation by hiding behind being a candidate.

Temporary protection at best, lasting til Janauary 2021 when investigations begin, regarding her actions of misconduct and abuse of power.

Justice system gonna be busy with investigating and filing charges against HiTlary, Adolf, Feinstein, Penguin, along with Rice, Lynch, Comey, Brennan, Mueller, Clapper...... ohhhh my😲 I'm thinkin.

WeThePeople are gonna be busy, helping Trump "Drain The Swamp".🤗


😁 I know these things.......
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/15 11:09:36 (permalink)
Think that - if anything- they will pick lower hanging fruit.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/15 11:40:46 (permalink)
I'm thinkin, it's time to dim the lantern, for a while.

Stay well all.

Think... TRUMP/SPENCE 2020. 😊
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/15 15:07:06 (permalink)
Now the Dems are screaming that the Senate GOP is violating the oath of impartiality in the impeachment proceedings.
YEP - dats da truf- thats what they are saying--=-
You gotta be freaking kidding me -after the s show Nancy, Schiff  and the Penguin put us through THEY are throwing THAT stone.
Setting it up so they will later say the Senate vote was no good so Trump is really not the president I'd betcha.
 
They are really in need of an intervention.
Their pious attitude is not just their undoing but an affront to all- even their supporters who are getting fewer and fewer every day.
 
For the first time  I may be starting to go with the folks saying they are really trying to overthrow an elected President and undermine our political system-prior to this I thought they were just doing an amateurish job of trying to destroy his affect on policy and trying to deter his chances  for 2020.
 
 
 
 
post edited by r3g3 - 2019/12/15 15:43:48
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/15 17:13:49 (permalink)
Before I go may I ask, just "WHAT" 🤔 are, the dems trying.... to hide??

..... or in layman's term, whose asz are they trying to cover?.

Did I mention.... bye, for now.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/15 19:50:17 (permalink)
Don't think they are trying to hide anything.
Think they have become so all powerful feeling in the last administration that their extremist 'politically correct' base has become more of their general reality that we know.
They have openly stated their distain for average Americans and have become -in their opinion- the masters of our lives as we aren't able to do so PROPERLY ourselves.
They - in other words- feel it is their duty and obligation to literally take over.
For the best example listen to the stuff Shiff, Nancy and Cryin Chuck tell us every time they speak- have you ever been talked down to like that and expected to buy into their words- thats how little they respect you or your existence.
Idiotic insulting our intelligence-stuff we are thought to believe -if they say it
Ex--of course we have to pass it so we can find out whats in it ( Obabacare said by Nancy in a speech) 
as though ya always pass legislation without knowing what it says- How dumb are we thought to be??
Its starting to feel more dangerous as time goes on- imagine where we would be if Hillary had won.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 11:40:50 (permalink)
If these crimes are not an impeachable offense "as the senate republicans have already said they will not impeach and remove", then it truly is time to burn this to the ground and start again.  Every one on the republican side has ignored the oaths of their office and need to be removed.
As for the democrats, no tears for them either.

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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 12:00:18 (permalink)
It just wouldn't be any fun if we didn't have all the old people calling all the other old people crazy!   I think we're all living a little too long here in America, being a little too safe.   We all need to start smoking, drinking, and riding horses again.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 13:13:55 (permalink)
Although I think doubtful of it happening, but if we are going through something as drastic as an impeachment, all of these witnesses should testify.  I know you can't force anything, but political pressure can work wonders.  
 
Biden, Schiff, Bolton, Mulvaney, Gulianni, etc.  IMO, you are hiding something, if you are not testifying.
 
I think Joe Biden's only shot at being the Dem candidate, yet next POTUS, needs to have his son take the stand and possibly himself.  If he has nothing to hide, then why not?  If Shiff isn't the whistle blower or had it set up, then why not testify.  If Mulvaney/Gulianni and whoever other was not doing this scheme to pressure Ukraine, why not testify?  Give the Senate a set time limit and set amount of people to be able to question.  So, it isn't the same tired talking points repeated by everyone.  
 
If Trump were to take the stand and use it to expose the deep state (if one exists) and vindicate himself from all wrong doing, then it would solidify him as POTUS 2020 and ensure a GOP house for decades.
 
I'm sure it won't, the Senate will dismiss the case, doing whatever they can to keep Trump, Bolton, Gulianni, etc. from talking.  The Dems won't allow Biden or Schiff to be called.  GOP will call it a complete vindication and their tribe will repeat as if it is a fact.  The Dems will cry foul, just as they did with Barr and obstruction of justice.  We'll head into the election as split as ever.  99% of Independents will be looking for a tic tac box to vote for.  
 
Neither side wants to do what is right for the country.  They just want to do what is best for their side.  
 
 
 
 
post edited by Porktown - 2019/12/16 13:16:15
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 13:55:49 (permalink)
Agree with above. We end up where we are, divided. However, I think voters may see the 2020 campaign as a proxy for an impeachment that was short-circuited. Voters of all political stripes wanted to hear the evidence, no? So it’s left to us. I’m confident in the result.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 14:00:35 (permalink)
POTUS just laid the groundwork for a real dictator.  When you're president of the US and don't have to respect congress then you can do whatever you want.  When a US president is allowed to do whatever he wants, we are in new and very dangerous territory.  It's ironic because all the right flakes have jumped up and down about this whole deal and helped to delegitimize the process.  When the socialist demon comes to take power s/he will have a road map of how to grab complete control and it will be thanks to the Donald and Fox News. 
 
Step 1 - Corner the market on a propaganda machine willing to pump lies to the aging masses
 
Step 2 - demonize federal law enforcement at all costs
Step 3- control DOJ by inserting AG loyalist
Step 4 - ignore congress
Step 5 - reap rewards of tossing out the Constitution
 
 

 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 16:23:34 (permalink)
I do have an honest question. If in a court case, the jury refuses to hear testimony then acquits in said court case without looking at any evidence, how would that be ok? Is this not what The Senate and its leaders are saying is going to take place? McConnell says there is zero chance of conviction and removal of POTUS. Regardless of how anyone feels about it personally, shouldnt Constitutional law be followed? Even if POTUS should be under impeachment or not, aren't the check and balances in place to determine this? The House brought the impeachment and now the Senate has to follow procedures, is that not correct? No way will they come to a 2/3rds vote to remove, but shouldnt it be played out as stated by the laws in place? What stops another POTUS, because there isnt always going to be Trump, down the road to do worse?

Just a question I have and wanted to see what everyones thoughts are on this matter.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 16:57:41 (permalink)
From what I have heard, the whole impeachment process, follows "rules" that Congress sets up at the time of each phase of the impeachment.  Following a simple majority vote to accept them as procedure.  I think the Senate portion is the same.  It is only "similar to a court", and doesn't follow the same procedures or have to follow laws that courts do.  It is basically kangaroo court, as others have noted before.  That said, the chief justice does preside over the Senate portion, so he may demand more accountability and have some respect for the Constitution, as it doesn't seem that the Congress/Senate does.  That said, the more that I read on the forefathers, the similar bickering seemed to take place between the Federalists and the Democratic-Republican parties.
 
To me, I have no idea what the heck Mitch was thinking to announce that he is working directly with WH counsel and already clearing Trump of any wrong doing.  At the very least, say you are going to be impartial and give a wink...  But what difference does that make?  90% of both sides already made up their mind.  The others that would like to vote their conscious or watching their local polling, are going to get slammed with negative campaign money for stepping out of party line.  Prime example of the need for campaign finance reform.  This amounts to extortion for their vote.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 20:22:58 (permalink)
the House dems stacked the procedure and witnesses  in their favor .
what "new" testimony in the senate will change enough minds to get 2/3rds majority?
none..
 
thus, Mitch isn't shirking the senate's duty .
He's simply stating the obvious
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 20:46:12 (permalink)
When McConnell said he was conferring with the White House, unless you have extreme bias against the President, it was understood that he wanted to know if he should call for the full trial, or to poll the Senate and determine if acquittal would be acceptable. Remember, the President has been clamoring for a trial, but only if granted the ability to call the witnesses he wants. OTOH, Lindsey Graham seems to think it's his call exclusively on which way they go. If they go the trial route, nearly all of what the 'Crats have presented gets thrown out as hearsay, conjecture, second or third hand info, or just plain wishful thinking. They have absolutely no hard evidence that would stand up in a real court of law, but impeachment is not a real court; it's strictly political.
Another thing? I'm surprised that Nadler can even walk. He must have cajones as big as grapefruits to state that McConnell should recuse himself from the impeachment proceedings for bias, considering how he and his cohorts treated the Republicans throughout this sham!

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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 21:13:57 (permalink)
I’m thinking Trump is dumb enough to be behind the scenes pushing for a full and lengthy trial. That would be wonderful. Bring everybody out to testify and let’s see where things fall.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 21:53:43 (permalink)
I'd love to see Schiff testify. Put him under oath, and see if he can get through questioning without lying.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 22:09:05 (permalink)
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what "new" testimony in the senate will change enough minds to get 2/3rds majority?

 
Oh I dunno... How about testimony from Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, Perry, Pence & Giuliani for starters? You know, the witnesses that the White House is shielding by claiming "executive privilege" or some such nonsense? I'm sure these guys could clear everything right up, dontcha think? Probably won't get a 2/3 majority to convict, but I think the American people deserve to hear what these guys will say, under oath, in front of Congress, with the whole country watching.
 
genieman77
thus, Mitch isn't shirking the senate's duty .
 



By directly coordinating the impeachment trial with the White House, he is absolutely 100% ignoring the fact that the US Congress is supposed to function as a check on the power of the executive branch. It is utter blind partisanship, and that point is not even debatable. Its also totally unsurprising.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 23:06:19 (permalink)
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 You know, the witnesses that the White House is shielding by claiming "executive privilege" or some such nonsense? I'm sure these guys could clear everything right up, dontcha think?



"Executive Privilege" has been around since George Washington, and used by pretty much every president since. I guess none of  them shared your standards of what is considered nonsense.
 
https://constitutioncente...se-executive-privilege
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/16 23:44:27 (permalink)
ssssst..... younz didn't hear this from me, 🙉 (🙈I'm off doing other stuff) but from what I heard, It'll be interesting to see if Schumer shuts up about Giuliani testifying.

Rudy leaked a little info regarding billions of dollars being laundered in Urain.


annnnnnd what's this about Comey now being "sorry'?


🤗 Ya gotta love it, what are the democrats hiding...... ? ThePlotThickens. 😊
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 06:29:36 (permalink)
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Oh I dunno... How about testimony from Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, Perry, Pence & Giuliani for starters? You know, the witnesses that the White House is shielding by claiming "executive privilege" or some such nonsense? I'm sure these guys could clear everything right up, dontcha think? Probably won't get a 2/3 majority to convict, but I think the American people deserve to hear what these guys will say, under oath, in front of Congress, with the whole country watching.



I'm fine with that
Bring the ones  Trump wants on the stand too
 
It'll be like a three ring circus
There will be a cornucopia of sh1t to sling daily for both sides
 
butt.... it won't change the outcome or any minds...because there will be no "smoking gun" discovered.
Just innuendo, conjecture and speculation 
 
 
MyWar
By directly coordinating the impeachment trial with the White House, he is absolutely 100% ignoring the fact that the US Congress is supposed to function as a check on the power of the executive branch. It is utter blind partisanship, and that point is not even debatable. Its also totally unsurprising.





I'm not sure you understand how politics works.
There's nothing new under the sun here
 
were you old enough to care or pay attention to  politics when Clinton was impeached?
He's a pretty shifty sumbich, and behind the scenes played hardball  "thug" style his whole political career.
 
BUTT...there's only one prez in my lifetime that "justifiably" should have (and would have)  been impeached
...Nixon
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 08:44:39 (permalink)
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I do have an honest question. If in a court case, the jury refuses to hear testimony then acquits in said court case without looking at any evidence, how would that be ok? Is this not what The Senate and its leaders are saying is going to take place? McConnell says there is zero chance of conviction and removal of POTUS. Regardless of how anyone feels about it personally, shouldnt Constitutional law be followed? Even if POTUS should be under impeachment or not, aren't the check and balances in place to determine this? The House brought the impeachment and now the Senate has to follow procedures, is that not correct? No way will they come to a 2/3rds vote to remove, but shouldnt it be played out as stated by the laws in place? What stops another POTUS, because there isnt always going to be Trump, down the road to do worse?

Just a question I have and wanted to see what everyones thoughts are on this matter.

Yes, the process must be followed and allowed to come to its conclusion.  That's why they should air all the laundry/witnesses.  There's always belly aching on this thread about "how stupid do they think we are"...well, how about they put up ALL the witnesses on both sides and let America figure it out or do they think we're too stupid?  That's how it should work.  If they do that then at the end of the trial the needle will move for/against impeachment appreciably and senators can then decide their political fates and possibly do their jobs.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 09:24:50 (permalink)
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 If they do that then at the end of the trial the needle will move for/against impeachment appreciably  




 
No it won't .
The vast majority of people believe what they "want" to believe and already settled firmly .
Nothing in a prolonged parade of witnesses in a senate trial will change that 
 
there will nothing more than tabloid drama fodder for partisan talking heads to whip the partisan monkeybutt masses on both sides  into a frenzy 
 
and yes, LDD, they do think we're stupid.
Because the majority ARE stupid manipulated mOOnpies 
 
It's a result of the proliferation of the  "stupid gene" due to disrupting natural selection.
I'll go into detail on that in a minute
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 09:28:02 (permalink)
How about the "Phase 1" trade deal?  Nothing in this to stop China from manipulating their currency and steal intellectual property.  I thought that is what we were playing hard ball for?
 
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 10:03:14 (permalink)
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LDD
 If they do that then at the end of the trial the needle will move for/against impeachment appreciably  




 
No it won't .
The vast majority of people believe what they "want" to believe and already settled firmly .
Nothing in a prolonged parade of witnesses in a senate trial will change that 
 
there will nothing more than tabloid drama fodder for partisan talking heads to whip the partisan monkeybutt masses on both sides  into a frenzy 
 
and yes, LDD, they do think we're stupid.
Because the majority ARE stupid manipulated mOOnpies 
 
It's a result of the proliferation of the  "stupid gene" due to disrupting natural selection.
I'll go into detail on that in a minute
 
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Yeah, you're probably right.  By appreciably I guess I meant like 60/40.  I also agree with the "natural selection" part as well.  Do go into that, I'd like to hear
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 10:05:17 (permalink)
the proliferation of the "stupid gene" 
 
we've disrupted natural selection and caused an undesirable  consequence tipping the scale to mass stupid in the  last few generations.
 
Here's how it works in the natural world;
If you're a stupid rabbit, you get ate by a predator ...you don't pass on your stupid genes 
If you're a stupid predator, you starve and can't pass on your stupid genes .
 
we've jacked that system WAY out of balance by making everything as "stupid proof" as possible.
 
50-60 years ago, if you were stupid enough to drive 100mph on icy roads, you hit a bridge abutment and died .
Now, with airbags, the speed of first responders/lifeflight and advancements in trauma care, they live to breed and pass on their stupid genes
 
I could cite many, many more examples
 
 
the long as short of it is ..
 
The "here, hold my beer and watch this" crowd don't get culled from the gene pool .
They breed, pass their stupid genes on to two or four of  their progeny, quadrupling stupid gene breeders.
One breeder begets  four stupid gene breeders, four breeders begets 16..16 begets 64....and 'fore you know, the country is plumb full of stupid  
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 10:06:45 (permalink)
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I'm not sure you understand how politics works.
There's nothing new under the sun here
 
were you old enough to care or pay attention to  politics when Clinton was impeached?


Blind partisanship in regard to things like sex scandals is nothing new.

Blind partisanship in regards to the president endangering national security because he is enlisting foreign nations to help him cheat at an election is something else entirely. Nixon didn’t even stoop that low.

If McConnell had an ounce of integrity, he would do his constitutional duty.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 10:24:08 (permalink)
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the proliferation of the "stupid gene" 
 
we've disrupted natural selection and caused an undesirable  consequence tipping the scale to mass stupid in the  last few generations.
 
Here's how it works in the natural world;
If you're a stupid rabbit, you get ate by a predator ...you don't pass on your stupid genes 
If you're a stupid predator, you starve and can't pass on your stupid genes .
 
we've jacked that system WAY out of balance by making everything as "stupid proof" as possible.
 
50-60 years ago, if you were stupid enough to drive 100mph on icy roads, you hit a bridge abutment and died .
Now, with airbags, the speed of first responders/lifeflight and advancements in trauma care, they live to breed and pass on their stupid genes
 
I could cite many, many more examples
 
 
the long as short of it is ..
 
The "here, hold my beer and watch this" crowd don't get culled from the gene pool .
They breed, pass their stupid genes on to two or four of  their progeny, quadrupling stupid gene breeders.
One breeder begets  four stupid gene breeders, four breeders begets 16..16 begets 64....and 'fore you know, the country is plumb full of stupid  
 
 
..L.T.A. 


Hahaa, well put.  Plum full of old people too.  This is clearly connected to my comments earlier about how we also "live too long" and have masses of old people who think they are still contributing productively to the nation.  I mean, you make some sense now, but give yourself a couple more years and you'll really be off the deep end. Ask yourself:  Am I using tobacco regularly? Not just some nicotine supplement either, the real deal.  Marby reds perhaps?  Am I indulging in real butter and fatty red meats 4-6 times per week at multiple meals and following it up with massive amounts of refined sugar?  Am I drinking enough hard liquor to excess multiple times per week?  Am I engaging in inappropriate relationships with the opposite sex that might make me the victim of a crime of passion?? All of these things will help ease the pain for all of us.  Do your duty, walk the walk, don't just talk the talk.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 10:30:05 (permalink)
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genieman77

I'm not sure you understand how politics works.
There's nothing new under the sun here
 
were you old enough to care or pay attention to  politics when Clinton was impeached?


Blind partisanship in regard to things like sex scandals is nothing new.





sex scandal??
 
LOL...
I can only conclude you don't know much about a  scoundrel that has a history all the way back to Arkansas politics.
It wasn't about sex ..it was about corruption ..the "lie" under oath was the only thing they could prove 
 
I'm also coming to the conclusion you're incapable of cogent rational thought.
Perhaps due to ignorance, willful blindness or a perception problem that skews  your vision of  reality.
Or one or more of all the above
 
 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/17 10:41:33 (permalink)
LDD
 
Hahaa, well put.  Plum full of old people too.  This is clearly connected to my comments earlier about how we also "live too long" 




 
I'm not one of them.
I'm a "do not resuscitate" kind of guy  ..fo-reel 
 
..L.T.A.
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