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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 09:00:00 (permalink)
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Your job is very safe if you are the one implementing AI and automation....lol. I am in the integration end of automation on a large scale, and I have yet to see anyone lose their job over the implementation of this technology. However, I have seen people lose a job over fighting the implementation of this technology. You either adapt or get left behind. 
 
People only object to AI and automation when it affects them. I don't hear of people complaining about AI being used in the medical diagnostic field. I don't see people tossing their cell phones in a river scared. I don't see people canceling their Amazon accounts....or turn off their spam filters on their e-mail accounts. Who is scared of fraud protection? A great example of how AI benefits society, not hurts society. If you are on facebook....you are aiding in the one thing you are scared of. 
 
People don't get it. All these kids and activist wanting chain-restaurants and factories to raise labor rates to $15/hr. The only way to do this is to create a business that needs fewer people, but much more talented people. AI and automation are a great stepping stone for eliminating low paying jobs and creating higher-paying jobs. You can't fight technology and expect to survive on your own means (unless you are wealthy or retired).
 
Instead of that $70K liberal arts degree, maybe try a technology-based field for a change.    
 
Robotics, especially collaborative robotics are just aids to a process method, not a solution. All automation and AI do is force a company to hire smarter people, and hopefully force them to better train their employees on how to adapt to this technology.  
 
 


Is your title, Senior Job Killer?  
 
I am joking and agree with much of what you said, although with a ton of "no wrong" spin to it.  I can't talk, my company uses tons of automation and as BTDT noted, this has been going on since the industrial revolution.  I personally use lasers, computer programs and other tools that cut my time into a fraction of the old way.  In the process, I do the amount of work that used to be 5 positions.  Like you said, it eliminates lower paying jobs and replaces with higher paying jobs, but 5 lower paying jobs to 1 higher paying job.  If left unchecked, there could be AI that programs/repairs/implements other AI, leaving humans with not much left to do.
 
I know Andrew Yang has no real chance of being a serious presidential contender, but this is what his $10k per year for everyone is about.  It is a very interesting idea, and one that very likely will catch on in the next 20+ years.




I actually like Andrew Yang, and "could" possibly vote for him if he went independent (never as a Dem). His thought process of bringing jobs to struggling cities if a great initiative, and I believe he understands how to breed new life into towns that have lost industry. However, I wish we could get at least 1 viable candidate on the democrat side that pushes against this silly notion of socialism (I know we will not agree on him being a socialist). UBI, to me, is a form of socialism.
 
But, I am not a fan of just giving people money. If we give all the crap away for free, we as citizens will have no reason to work hard, innovate technology....or progress as a society. There is no functional way to sustain a government with a socialist system. No matter how you twist it or rename it, it does not work. If the government provides your basic needs for survival, that is Socialism. If we are all taken care of by our government, how will we survive when the government collapses?
 
I believe the only things you deserve are the things you work for. That includes food, healthcare....and college. I am not even a fan of child welfare services and things like the WIC program. I know sounds mean, but unless we begin to give consequences for not succeeding, we are just handing benefits down to people who have made poor choices. I do not believe people who succeed should be punished by taking care of people who have not. What motivation does that create? 
 
I do think his progressive thought process is a lot tamer the rest of the DNC whack-jobs. 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 10:56:22 (permalink)
..........IMPEACHMENT #___ The Sequel........


🐧🐧🐧 The PENGUIN RETURNS 🐧🐧🐧



Bass, no need to worry about the Socialist Dem Party providing everything free. They been blowing that rhetoric up the asz of their constintuents for 50+ years, buying their votes.

Also, your are correct in every sense when saying people should earn what they receive because truth be known, America's people don't want to be dependant on the goverment.

America is a proud country with proud people willing to work "if" they can get employment.

Trump and his staff are proving everyday, people will and want to work.

The drop in unemployment and welfare cases are proving, the American people want to be self reliant.

Trump Thumpers will never accept the positives taking place in our nation today. They're so blinded by hate & discontent.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 11:09:35 (permalink)
We have been in a socialist society for a long time, we just don't call it one.  99% of seniors are just fine with it.  Social Security and Medicare are the exact definition of socialism.  Taxes collected for services provided by the government.  Regardless if the taxes were collected years ago, it is pure socialism.  Same as those using whatever government handout happens to be in the interest of the government at the time.  Right now, we may be in the most socialist phase ever of our government with the ongoing tariffs.  These are taxes on US companies/citizens that buy supplies/products from China.  Not taxes that China pays.  Then redistributing to whatever companies they feel would benefit from China's tariffs on our products.  Which is exactly how socialist governments allocate funds.  The only difference is, many of the DNC at least admit to it.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 11:37:18 (permalink)
It will be interesting to see how the DNC handles Bloomberg and Steyer not playing the game as the rules are currently written by coming in late and not going through the debate process (yet).

Do they have to join the debate circuit at some point?

Do they get on the primary ballot?

Do they go to a brokered convention if they aren’t a part of the above?

The questions these types of candidates raise is not a DNC or RNC issue, but rather a fundamental shift in how presidential politics will play out in the future.

Trump broke the career politician mold to get nominated, let alone elected, but he followed the normal path of announcing, doing the debates, being on primary ballots, etc.

Bloomberg and Steyer have not. They are also not career politicians, but they skipped 3-5 debates (I don’t watch them, so I’m not sure how many there have been so far), all of which had some pretty stiff rules for who could debate and if they made the first nor second stage appearance. They basically thumbed their nose at the established process.

What happens if they don’t bother getting into any of the primary debates, either by current rules or choice?

Each state has primary ballot rules which may or may not let these guys on. Do they urge a write in?

What happens at the convention if they keep running as Dems, but weren’t the winner of primaries?

Does this change make the DNC and RNC (which are both just corporations anyway) less or even irrelevant going forward?

Interesting stuff indeed.

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Everything I say can be fully substantiated by my own opinion.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 11:43:03 (permalink)
Pork surely you're talking about the distruction of SS from politicians killing the system, by giving it away to people who never worked a day in their lives, as being socialism?

I would think, instead of complaining about SS which hard working people have contributed to in their lifetime, you should be contacting your legislators and ask why they do nothing to stop the distruction of the Social Security System so as a hardworking person, you benefit too.


In other news, I gotta go sit on the beach.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 11:46:16 (permalink)
They'll run as a write-in, DarDy.

Democrat Party won't expose their "darling" til 2024.

"DEMOCRAT DEBATES" ..... a Circus Network News phony reality chyt show trying to pull their ratings out of the cess pool they created.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 12:27:21 (permalink)
Bloomberg coming in late was a calculated plan in my opinion. The debates were an absolute s***show. The funny part is that the DNC is very afraid of one (or more) of these candidates running on a third party ticket. Bloomberg knows this. Bloomberg is a much better candidate than Sleepy Joe, mostly because he is similar to what attracted voters to Trump. Again, my opinion. It is interesting to see how the DNC handles this. 
 
I also agree that SS has gone to crap quickly. My wife worked for over 50 years for a measly $1200 a month and second rate health care. It is better than nothing, but when we see the welfare group getting a better deal it disgusts me. Not only did she work 50+ years, but she also paid 50+ years of taxes, and is still paying taxes. 
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 14:45:02 (permalink)
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I would think, instead of complaining about SS which hard working people have contributed to in their lifetime, you should be contacting your legislators and ask why they do nothing to stop the distruction of the Social Security System so as a hardworking person, you benefit too.

Who is complaining?  Socialist economy = people work, the government takes taxes and redistributes to what they feel benefits the entire society (like ours does).  Social security and medicare are both pure socialism, you can't get any more socialist.  Socialist economies don't just print money and give it out.  They get it from taxing people.
 
If you want to discuss welfare, you aren't going to find someone to debate here.  One thing that many socialist economies get right that we don't, if you are an able body, you work, or you are cut from everything.
 
DNC = same circus the RNC was 3 years ago.  Hopefully doesn't come out with the biggest clown like the RNC did.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 15:21:02 (permalink)
Bass I would agree the Dem Party is scared of all the candidates.

Big money supporters gotta be thinkin twice about donating this election. First they know Trump will be re-elected and second, they don't want the Dem. losers wasting their money and you know, everyone of those door-knobs running, is gonna suck the coffers dry, if they can.

DNC gonna need money to keep what house and senate seats they can salvage in 2020.

Bloomberg can spend his own money and his entering the race is a gift to the DNC.

Goof Mike won't get elected and he likely doesn't want the win anyway. If he did, Bloomberg would drop his campaign BS like gun laws.

Uncle Joe can't drop out. It's his shield against anybody daring to further investigate his scandal in the Ukrain.... so he thinks.

Anyways, that's the way I see it and I'm stickin to it.


Big changes startin in 2020.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 19:43:57 (permalink)
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We have been in a socialist society for a long time, we just don't call it one. 


I think the term you are looking for is “social democracy”. The US is a social democracy with a mixed economy.

And most *objective* economists and political analysts would describe it that way, or at least the ones that aren’t pushing partisan agendas by throwing around loaded terms would...
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 19:58:13 (permalink)
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We have been in a socialist society for a long time, we just don't call it one. 


I think the term you are looking for is “social democracy”. The US is a social democracy with a mixed economy.

And most *objective* economists and political analysts would describe it that way, or at least the ones that aren’t pushing partisan agendas by throwing around loaded terms would...



😁 Hello Pork?? 🙉

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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 21:40:10 (permalink)
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I think the term you are looking for is “social democracy”. The US is a social democracy with a mixed economy.

I agree, but wanted to point out the most socialist parts of our economy. Possibly the two most popular programs among most of those that seem to like to call out others for being socialists... Every economic system promotes hard work. Most reward hard work financially. Not all reward being born with a silver spoon or ripping off others quite like ours though.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/02 23:02:54 (permalink)
Sure, lots of people pick and choose what they consider to be “scary socialism” vs “acceptable socialism”.

People also throw the word “socialism” around so much that I’m not sure what it is supposed to mean anymore. Conservatives use the term to denigrate anything that is publicly funded. And kids just think it means they won’t have to pay for college or healthcare. Its not really either of those things.

That’s why I prefer terms like “social democracy” and “mixed economy”. Because they accurately describe what this country is.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/03 09:26:04 (permalink)
Pork correct me if I'm wrong, you promote reward through hardwork but yet seem (🤔) somewhat bitter, toward those who benefit from their reward? The use of "born with a silver spoon.... or ripping off others", has me wondering.

Hard working folk like you have your 'rewards ripped off" everyday by the government who freely hands out pieces of your 'silver spoon' to people that have never 'earned a reward in their life' paying for free education and healthcare.

Just think, free health care, free education... now there's being born with a silver spoon...
I don't care who you are. 😉
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/03 10:21:52 (permalink)
The Dems are trying to make an impeachment case about Trump doing something against a Dem Political rival.
They say the potential criminal case about a rivals son is off limits as it bruises the father running against Trump for President.
They claim this is impeachable as he is using his office for political gain.
 
How then, is it OK for the several Senate office holding Dems running against Trump to vote in a Senate trial claiming improper activity by THEIR competitor for President.
 
Sounds  like they would be doing exactly what they are accusing him of doing.
If they had any sense of duty and responsibility they would recluse themselves from the entire proceeding.
Do Dems have 'special rules'----again.
 
Whole thing is pure bovine field splatter.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/03 11:12:30 (permalink)
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Pork correct me if I'm wrong, you promote reward through hardwork but yet seem (🤔) somewhat bitter, toward those who benefit from their reward? The use of "born with a silver spoon.... or ripping off others", has me wondering.

Hard working folk like you have your 'rewards ripped off" everyday by the government who freely hands out pieces of your 'silver spoon' to people that have never 'earned a reward in their life' paying for free education and healthcare.

Just think, free health care, free education... now there's being born with a silver spoon...
I don't care who you are. 😉

I am not bitter at all for anyone that is rewarded for hard work.  I am referring to those, who were born into money or have high level connections and do very little hard work, but yet make 10-100 times as much as other hard workers make. 
 
I'm sure that you pulled loads for some idiots that likely don't know their rears from what they were asking you to transfer.  I would bet a rather common occurrence in your working days.  You are loading the product, driving hundreds of miles, avoiding idiots on their "smart" phones, unloading the product, spending weeks away from your family.  Some might argue that is hard work.  Meanwhile, idiot A has a cush job for that business that he maybe does 10 hours of actual work per week (where 5 others in the business likely spend 50 hours fixing his 10 hours of screw ups), only there because his dad/uncle/other connection owns the business, paying him 10 times as much as you.  Our economy/tax structure benefits idiot A, much more than the average hard worker.
 
I know many examples from many with similar stories.  Daddy passed down the company, along with a salary or other access to much less taxed "income", enough to have 3 vacation houses and drive a Ferrari to work, to sit in about 2 hours of meetings per day.  The remainder of the time is spent on golf courses.  Maybe an hour of that discussing business.  Meanwhile the middle management, that actually run the company, gets paid 1/50th the pay.  Even most of the upper management who might be doubling the salaries of the middle management that whittle down all of the hard decision making to no brainer decisions, are getting squat compared to the silver spoons that run this country.  All are extremely hard working people and deserve their $100k-$300k per year.  
 
This is much more prevalent of a situation than the few examples of someone working their rear end off and striking it big.  For those that strike it big on their own, great.  As long as they aren't ripping off others in the process. 
 
Then there are the silver spoons who come from money and have no disregard for hard workers, ripping them off at any point possible.  I call those, POTUS.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/03 12:17:25 (permalink)
Agreed Pork, the biggest farce going is the perception that just because someone has money it means they are intelligent.   
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/03 12:20:21 (permalink)
Yeah buddy, ya hit the nail right on the head Pork.

I have worked for those very people driving very expensive cars and making business decisions on the golf course while I did what needed to be done.

Not by choice, I remind you, but due too limited jobs in my area. Manufacturing was shutting down, one after the other, leading to the loss of other jobs. A trend happening all across America as more and more jobs were sent out of our country.

The very people you mention, "The Sliver Spoons", be they tycoons or more so politicians, were certainly putting it to the American worker.

I like so many others in our area had to start over in mid life but thankfully I had a needed skill I learned straight out of high school.

As I write this response, I think of those who I thought were "born with the silver spoon". That would be those who got the good paying manufacturing jobs "because" dad worked in the plant or, those who went onto college because their parents held the good paying jobs because, grandpa worked in the business.

Never did I expect to be the guy, driving the expensive cars, playing golf... I still don't.

Nor did I expect to be sitting where I am today, as the "silver spooners" I knew, continue working day in and day out. Some by choice but many because they must.

The difference I see between the "spooners" I knew and me.... I can be proud and hold my head up and I'm happy happy.



As for the "Silver Spoon POTUS", Don't worry... be happy. You have much more opportunity now then you did 3 years ago. Make it work for you.

Hell, even I can go back to work tomorrow, making even better money, if I choose..... 🤔 NOT!!

Have a good one annnd don't give up on Arthur.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/03 14:19:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bigbear2012 2019/12/03 14:49:08
I moved 300 miles away from home to find work.  Made myself an integral part of the company, working 70+ hour weeks and traveling all over the country for the company, and had them move me back home!
 
I have despised the Silver Spoon types long before Trump.  And will be the first to admit that I was not a Trump fan, long before he was a candidate or POTUS.  I think that you read my posts enough that I give him credit where due though.  If my personal prosperity was the only thing that I voted for, then I would vote for him.  But, morally speaking, I could never support a guy like him.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/03 18:19:05 (permalink)
I most certainly do agree, you have given credit where credit is due.

I too thought "WTF" when Trump announced he would be running for POTUS.

I honestly thought Trump to be doing nothing but 'showboating' and flaunting his fortunes.

But then I listened and then I saw so I listened more and now, I see and what I see is scary because what I thought I saw is what I thought I was seeing.

See what I'm saying? 🤓

Welp anyway, Schiff Head of the House Intelligence Committee (😁), has filed his impeachment report.

Maybe all younz all will git your wishes but if younz do.... kiss the stock market in the asz and all younz investments with it.

Butt truly, maybe all younz all might best take a hard look at how Schiff Head of House Intelligence (😁) has conducted his investigation and ask why such secrecy in his closed door meetings?

Maybe all younz all should be asking what Schiff Head of House Intelligence (🙈) has in his closet?


Annnnnd now...., enter "The Penguin".
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/04 10:07:01 (permalink)
I'm watching the impeachment inquiry 'hearings' as those in attendance wait the arrival of his highnazs "The Penguin" when from stage right, with coffee in hand, enters "Flatuence Man".

I sure hope for the sake of those near and dear to Swalwell, he laced the coffee with a BIG dose of BEANO...... ultra plus.


Here's what I don't git fulks. Trump Thumpers boo hooing over the POTUS when in reality the problems we face as WeThePeople, have been created by the likes of Erik Swalwell, Pelosi, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Schumer, etc. who can remain seated, for decades as law makers.


So many of the legislators, now seated, have sat idle letting our country fade away. After seeing the recent charades by Schiff and Nadler, is there need to wonder, who has been controling our congress.

Makes me wanna know, what does Schiff and Nadler have on these other people? Where they spied on too?
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/04 11:31:36 (permalink)
Just more of the same
4 'legal experts' to testify.
THREE of whom are historic anti Trumpers who have stated their negative opinions of Trump repeatedly.
Yep -another dem fair hearing.
Just more bovine field splatter
 
Dems are really destroying themselves.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/04 14:53:18 (permalink)
r3 I don't know about the Dems destroying themselves but Schiff & Company is certainly destroying our congress.

Dam... I'd love to know what he is hiding and who he is protecting.

Even better, I'd love to see Adolf Schiff and his cohort, eating bread and water for the remainder of their lives.

There's more than Dems that should be answering questions.... past and present.

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Re: Trump... 2019/12/04 16:24:28 (permalink)
Why is it that Congress’s approval rating has been around 20 - 25% yet re-election of incumbents runs around 95%? Apathy? Ignorance? Gerrymandering?
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/04 16:38:14 (permalink)
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Why is it that Congress’s approval rating has been around 20 - 25% yet re-election of incumbents runs around 95%? Apathy? Ignorance? Gerrymandering?


I pick stupid constituents or maybe lazy voters. Could just be, BS Polls also.

Gerrymandering goes hand in hand with population and moving boundaries, so moving large numbers of "non-citizens" into precise locations could be a fact. Though, I'm not sure if doing that, would be called the "excess vote", "the wasted vote" or "the stacked vote", method of gerrymandering.

Dam decisions, decisions, decisions... now I've a headache. Thanks a lot!! 😫
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/04 22:36:55 (permalink)
What a chyt show put on by Nadler and his minons.

The U.S. goverment at it's finest.

2020 will be the biggest landslide victory for the GOP in U.S. history and can't happen soon enough for me.


In other news, Hitlary Clinton hits the media trail one more time. Clinton was a sensation on the "Howard Stern Show". Buttt I'm the deplorable in a basket, for shopping at Walmart.😝

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Re: Trump... 2019/12/05 10:06:17 (permalink)
Welp Pelosi announces the "Inquiry" will move forward annnnnd the media now swarms around the idea of the hearings continuing into the Democrat Caucus, annnnnd gee, Bloomberg throwing his hat into the wring.

Golly... didn't somebody mention that, weeks ago, on this very forum.

Dam, I missed my calling, I should of gotten into "journalism" and went to work for the media...... huh? 🙊

Your turn.🙉



Anyways, ya gotta love the Democrats coming forth and saying this is a "sad day" . Dam straight they know it's a "sad situation" and truth be known, they wish Pelosi would just put it to bed because the Dems "are" seeing their political careers going into the toilet.

Trouble is, the Dems and Repubs too, don't know what Adolf Schiff has found in their closet. Obviously, Pelosi has learned, Schiff has been looking in her closet also.

🌊🏄 Surfs up and the deep state is headed, right into the wave.
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/05 12:37:51 (permalink)
So who hasn't realized that if somehow he buys his way out of this impeachment, his actions (with holding evidence and obstructing justice) will just start another process?

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Re: Trump... 2019/12/05 13:35:56 (permalink)
Some day Robert Mueller will write his memoir and he will state that his investigation had to fail to maintain our democracy. He will say that the only option to unseat a sitting president is impeachment.   If he would have found that a sitting president colluded with a foreign power then what??  Cuff him in the Whitehouse?  Try him for teason? Nope...  Donald Trump was stupid enough to openly ask the Russians for help. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference.  Hacking of Clinton's emails ensued. 
 
Hahaha...  So, Mueller hit dead ends, either real or fabricated, and left the decision on obstruction to the DOJ.  Barr, dismissed "obstruction" and congress was up.  Here we are.  But, we live in a new reality where Presidents can apparently ask foreign powers for any assistance they want against American citizens.  It's all well and good if he's your guy.  Ask yourself how you'll feel when he's not your guy.  
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Re: Trump... 2019/12/05 13:46:49 (permalink)
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So who hasn't realized that if somehow he buys his way out of this impeachment, his actions (with holding evidence and obstructing justice) will just start another process?


Question Bigbear..... you hoping Trump gets impeached cause he's "actually guilty" of wrong doing or just because, you hate the guy?

I'll tell you what, if "you" can prove Trump is guilty of any impeachable wrong doing.... I'll forever leave the FishUSA forums.

However, if you can not.... I'll remind you, every time you post.

Schiff is pushing this impeachment BS because he has something to hide but I'm sure you have nothing of the sort...... so your reason for impeacment must be out of pure hate. I'm just not sure if the hate and discontent is toward Trump or directed at those of us who support this POTUS. Maybe both, I dunno but one thing for certain, you are a very very unhappy individual.

In other news..... Was Nancy Pelosi about to have a nervous breakdown during her lecture this morning?

In other other news, did anybody see Uncle Joe approach the man asking a question about Hunter Biden at the "Town Hall".

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