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Re: Trump 2019/04/23 13:56:25 (permalink)
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Oh... OK, my mistake L"D"D 😏 [snicker]

Oh, no problem whatsoever, I know you're not just saying it to get a response or anything 
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Re: Trump 2019/04/23 14:10:51 (permalink)
So basically the report says that Trump is not guilty of anything because he is too incompetent!  WOW
Talk about hitting the nail on the head.

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Re: Trump 2019/04/23 15:10:40 (permalink)
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To me, it seems like we are at square 1. No smoking gun, but most if not all of the accusations of collusion the media brought up were accurate. Trump tried his best to collude and his best to obstruct. Fortunately for him, he had a staff that wouldn’t allow. He will be impeached, which the Senate will reject. For anyone to brush this off, needs to check their patriotism. There are hundreds of more fit leaders that will push the same/similar agenda. The agenda itself is fine by me. Typical GOP to me, and I agree with about half of it.

The release of this report, really makes you question the sanity of the Deep Staters, no?



 Guess the NYT wasn't so accurate, eh?
 
https://www.dailywire.com/news/46240/nyt-finally-acknowledges-steele-dossier-might-not-ashe-schow
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Re: Trump 2019/04/23 19:30:57 (permalink)
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So basically the report says that Trump is not guilty of anything because he is too incompetent!  WOW
Talk about hitting the nail on the head.




No basically, about it Bear, the report did "hit the nail on the head",  your POTUS is "not guilty" of anything.  The incompetence comes from those who "can't see the forest for the trees" and admit just how great your country has gotten, since President Trump took office.
 
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Re: Trump 2019/04/23 23:45:08 (permalink)
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So basically the report says that Trump is not guilty of anything because he is too incompetent!  WOW
Talk about hitting the nail on the head.




I'm looking forward to voting for more incompetence in 2020. Hopefully much more.
post edited by JM2 - 2019/04/23 23:51:27
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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 06:41:40 (permalink)
There are those out there, (some here, too), who just can't get it through their heads that the collusion was committed by the Democrats, headed by President Obama and funneled down through the Dept. of Justice and the FBI. The Russians were deep into our politics with at least two years of Obama's term left. He knew it, and did nothing. But once Trump won the nomination, he had Brennan and Clapper move immediately to come up with a scheme that would not only tarnish but to totally quash the Trump Campaign. Now with a new AG, it looks as though at least some of it may come to light.
The special counsel and 3 Congressional committees could find no evidence of collusion between the Russians and the Trump campaign, and therefore no charges were made. Yet, even though no crime was found, the 'Crats are runnin' with the obstruction of justice routine in order to see if they can impeach and remove the President. I can't see obstruction. What I see is a man fighting back when he'd done nothing wrong, and no matter what he said, he didn't fire anybody involved in the Mueller Probe, therefore, no matter how harsh the language, there is no obstruction 'cause there was no original crime in the investigation. Ya just can't obstruct on something that didn't happen. The 'Crats want to drag this out at least 'til the 2020 elections, so unless the AG moves at hyper speed, we may not see any of the dozen or more who were involved in the coup to remove a duly elected president indicted.

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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 07:43:57 (permalink)
Some folks, msm among with the still grasping for straws politicians, need to take Logic 101 that begins with the simple logic statement β€” β€œIf A, then B and if not A, then not B.

β€œA” equals a crime and B equals justice bearing on that crime. So, if not A, because there was no crime, then not B, no justice is brought to bear on that crime.

And the second part is, and this is where the dolts don’t or won’t get it, β€œA” equals justice being brought to bear on a crime and β€œB” is obstruction of justice. So, if no A, justice brought to bear on a crime, the no B, obstruction of justice can take place.

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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 09:12:49 (permalink)
The 'obstruction' they keep carping about was a pizzed off guy who was innocent and being targeted by the most despicable 'leaks' by the dem news and the likes of pencil neck every single day for about 2 years.
So I guess they believe that if ya badger an innocent person long and hard enough with constant lies about his supposed guilt  its his fault if he gets mad and says the wrong stuff.
And it goes on even now---
Those kind of people should NEVER get to be in charge- Trump 2020.
 
Get a kick outa the 'free stuff' promises by the Dems trying to get votes for 2020.
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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 10:28:24 (permalink)
Looks like some US politicians are scared as hell but for what reason...., I soon hope (& do) we find out.

Giving Mr. Obama the benefit of the doubt he possibly didn't know, what was happening in his own (White House) back yard. However, with Mr.Trump as POTUS, Mr Obama did know his legacy as President, was in the toilet.

Can & will Mr Obama be tied to wrong doing involving "Russian Collusion" as well as colluding with other country's remains to be seen.

But one thing is for certain...... "The plot thickens" as "the tide turns".

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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 12:11:41 (permalink)
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Looks like some US politicians are scared as hell but for what reason...., I soon hope (& do) we find out.

Giving Mr. Obama the benefit of the doubt he possibly didn't know, what was happening in his own (White House) back yard. However, with Mr.Trump as POTUS, Mr Obama did know his legacy as President, was in the toilet.

Can & will Mr Obama be tied to wrong doing involving "Russian Collusion" as well as colluding with other country's remains to be seen.

But one thing is for certain...... "The plot thickens" as "the tide turns".

There's lots of good information in this article that goes right with what you're saying!!!  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-turn-tables-in-russia-probe
 
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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 12:46:13 (permalink)
The Russians are certainly doing a nice job of fomenting political divisions here in America.  Maybe they can continue to use the free mass media in this country to further drive a wedge between Americans who have much more in common than not.  
 
Based on the state of the political divide the Russians were and are in a win, win situation with any information that they seep into the discourse true or not.   Both sides are so distrustful of the other that no information is accepted as fact by either hyper-partisan side. So, any information, and there's lots of it, perpetuated by Russian troll farms and intelligence operations helps to stoke the fires of division in this country.  Same thing they did/are doing in Ukraine.  
 
The long and the short of this whole investigation is that the Russians are trying to foment a civil war in our country and they are slowly succeeding.  The major thing  they can't control is the health of our economy, fat and happy people are less likely to pick up arms.  We need to quit viewing other Americans as the enemy.  
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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 13:06:01 (permalink)
L"D"D thanks for the "FoxNews" link. However, being old school and a graduate from "The School of Hard Knocks" I prefer to be open minded and not influenced by any news media. I do however, enjoy the opinions (having merit) of others and appreciate a good debate as long as the discussion remains civil. On the other hand, I never back down from a good fight.
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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 23:15:16 (permalink)
No problem Stew...
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Re: Trump 2019/04/24 23:33:48 (permalink)
I've heard of "Poor-mans Lobster" and Shepard's Pie" etc but I ain't never heard of "No Problem Stew".... probably good, I suppose??

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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 07:31:18 (permalink)
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Looks like some US politicians are scared as hell but for what reason...., I soon hope (& do) we find out.

Giving Mr. Obama the benefit of the doubt he possibly didn't know, what was happening in his own (White House) back yard. However, with Mr.Trump as POTUS, Mr Obama did know his legacy as President, was in the toilet.

Can & will Mr Obama be tied to wrong doing involving "Russian Collusion" as well as colluding with other country's remains to be seen.

But one thing is for certain...... "The plot thickens" as "the tide turns".



I agree.
 
It doesn't surprise me the most moronic and dividing president in history didn't know what was happening in the White House, with his team, or with his party. I hope in 10 years people begin to say "Obama who? " Hope and Change....lol. He "hoped" he could "change" working class people into Dem-leaning welfare recipients. At least he was good at that.
 
He divided by race and he divided social and economical classes of people. He is what turned America into a divided two-party county (along with Hillary). Dems hate Republicans, Republicans hate Dems. A majority of lower class people are Dems (they enjoy more socialistic ideas), most higher class people trend Republican (at least capitalist).....the middle class isn't allowed to have a central view.    
 
He certainly was ignorant enough to have no clue.  
 
However, he should have know.....it wasn't like he was doing anything else in the White House (other than tanking 401K's). At least Mrs. Obummer has something to show for her time in the White House, a defunct lunch program (Let's move initiative) that failed miserably. 
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 07:48:16 (permalink)
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The Russians are certainly doing a nice job of fomenting political divisions here in America.  Maybe they can continue to use the free mass media in this country to further drive a wedge between Americans who have much more in common than not.  
 
Based on the state of the political divide the Russians were and are in a win, win situation with any information that they seep into the discourse true or not.   Both sides are so distrustful of the other that no information is accepted as fact by either hyper-partisan side. So, any information, and there's lots of it, perpetuated by Russian troll farms and intelligence operations helps to stoke the fires of division in this country.  Same thing they did/are doing in Ukraine.  
 
The long and the short of this whole investigation is that the Russians are trying to foment a civil war in our country and they are slowly succeeding.  The major thing  they can't control is the health of our economy, fat and happy people are less likely to pick up arms.  We need to quit viewing other Americans as the enemy.  




I agree with your statement, surprisingly. 
 
And Trump is to blame for this (being this is a Trump forum)? Most Trump supporters have never stated or thought Russia wasn't involved in our election (there is actual evidence to prove that), we just fail to see the connection to Trump. The hero "Mueller" pretty much proved that. The shift from collusion to obstruction is that Dems failed to prove collusion, which they SO desperately wanted.
 
They now want the taxpayers to fund investigations to prove obstruction. If we spent over 25 million dollars (taxpayers) on this failure to prove anything with collusion investigation, why would we want to spend more money? If Dems so very much care about social programs for underprivileged Americans (reparations), wouldn't this money have been better spent supporting the caused they claim to care about? 
 
Most of what the Mueller report showed as obstruction was simply the President defending himself. Last I knew the accused has the right to face their accuser, and they have the right to defend their name against false accusations. The accusations have been proven false, so he was rightly defending himself. Here we go again, trying to obstruct is completely different from actually obstructing. Dems are chasing the same thing again at the taxpayer's expense.
 
Why don't the Dems toss in their own money for investigations? They are receiving millions from donors for campaigning. If they truly believe this happened, then they should want the truth. Put up the money with the condition: If he is proven to have obstructed they get the money back, if they fail to prove obstruction, they fund the investigation with personal funds. Or.....is this just another election time political game?   
 
What happened to Stormy? I thought she was going to be the next Dem VP?   
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 09:25:13 (permalink)
Trump didn't create the current political environment, he prospers from it, stokes it, feeds it...as do many politicians and clearly the Russians.  The Dems would never "toss in their own money" because oversight of the executive branch is a function of congress.  
 
Personally, I never thought Mueller would make a judgement about collusion or obstruction, that wasn't his job necessarily.  He knew that the ability to charge a sitting president with an actual crime is a matter of legal interpretation.  Can a sitting president actually be charged with a crime??  He also knew that no matter his findings, how they were used would be up to the DOJ and congress. The evidence needed to make a charge of criminal conspiracy with a foreign nation would have to be overwhelming. 
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 09:37:19 (permalink)
Seeing it appears civil conversations are possible here is my thought regarding the "Mueller Report".

Total waste of time and money as for collusion and/or obstruction regarding Mr. Trump. The criminals exposed and prosecuted, could have and should have been handled without such fan fare and, does have me wondering if they would have under normal circumstances. I'm thinking had Mr Trump not exposed the FBI bad guys and allowed matters, to be handled in a hush manner, "no charges" would ever had been filed to begin with. In turn, the investigation would have been much shorter.

Keep in mind, Mueller loaded his team with "Democrat Supporting" lawyers and the like. I think, because Mueller knew the outcome before the investigation ever started and that he would need defend his decision, against the outrage, from the anti-America Democrat/Republican politicians.

Might it be safe to say, the millions of dollars spent on this investigation, would be needed to entice anyone to serve on "Mueller's Team"?

Yes, some were looking for that "I served with Mueller" port folio, while others saw money, money, money. Butt, these people also know ( when the tide turns) "what goes around, comes around" and they too, could be caught up in an investigation. Would you serve knowing you could be set up for a "lying to congress or FBI" charge, that will ruin your life.


Anyways, bear with my thoughts as this is merely a "rough" draft for my Conspiracy of The Week.... conspiracy.

Unfortunately for yinz, more to come.😏
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 10:52:41 (permalink)
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  The Dems would never "toss in their own money" because oversight of the executive branch is a function of congress.  
 




 
 I am familiar with Article 1, section 8 and the additional amendments which give Congress their powers. However, thanks for the lesson. I really learned a lot. 
 
My comment was a point. The point is this investigation has nothing to do with America or its constituents. It is all about the election cycle voting and twisting the objectives. It keeps the narrative alive that Trump did "something".  
 
If you are a sports fan, they call it moving the post. Being an educated guy, you obviously read the Authorizing Document for the investigation provided to special counsel by Rod Rosenstein? This gave Mueller the authority for the investigation, including a criminal investigation to look into potential obstruction (specifical obstruction). I understand that the DOJ would have to handle prosecutions, but they were going to follow whatever Mueller said, is he was acting as part of the DOJ (through special counsel). Face it, he found nothing for collusion. He found little for obstruction. If you can't prove collusion, how can you prove obstruction? It was an investigation created by false facts and secret sources (fake documents). I think you can obstruct an investigation even if you are not guilty, we can probably agree on that. Calling out people for a false investigation is not an obstruction, and I see no evidence he did anything to try and prevent the facts from being found. Trust me, I am not a complete Trump fan. 
 
When it comes to inditing a sitting president, I believe you can. I believe the James Wilson route is a much stouter theory than Alexander Hamilton. The constitution does not imply immunity specifically. However, impeachment would be the obvious path because no one can agree on what the constitution implies, or does not imply. Let's face it, the Supreme Court certainly didn't side with Nixon about turning over evidence, and I doubt they would side with Trump over something as serious as collusion. 
 
 
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 14:00:13 (permalink)
Well- Biden jumped into the already crowded pool today.
Atty Mike Aventi gave his' enthusiastic support- guess that says it all.
(likely misspelled Aventi's name )
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 14:19:41 (permalink)
Ok, I wasn't trying to instruct you, geesh, I was just making a statement about how they view their job...not as a hobby to throw money at. I don't disagree with your "narrative" comments, pretty spot on.  I think the only thing we disagree about is the fact that the premise of the investigation was based solely on the dossier.  How is anyone, not in the FBI or various other intelligence services,  to know the full scope of information that led to the opening of the Mueller investigation?  The dossier was an "intelligence" report written with not a very high degree of certainty by a very suspect source. (Not trying to instruct, just setting up my point)  Therefore, I don't believe for one second that it played even a partial role in the opening of the investigation based on it's sourcing.  However, I wasn't involved in the opening of the investigation.   I would postulate that nobody that wasn't in those high level meetings in multiple intelligence and law enforcement agencies has any clue what led to this specific investigation.  Now, if they open an inquiry into the premise of the investigation and it is found that career FBI agents used a suspect dossier, written by a paid former intelligence specialist, to open a two year federal investigation I would be very surprised and gladly eat crow.  
 
As far as your last statement, I think we agree that Mueller wasn't going to indict a sitting president.  
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 14:20:48 (permalink)
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Well- Biden jumped into the already crowded pool today.
Atty Mike Aventi gave his' enthusiastic support- guess that says it all.
(likely misspelled Aventi's name )


Oh c'mon...you really lumping Ol Joe in with that slimeball??  
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 18:15:39 (permalink)
Not meeee- Avanti did it all by himself-lol.
 
BTW- getting his name wrong aint all that much a bo bo cause soon it'l be stenciled on his jumpsuit.
Another past hero of the lib press.
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 18:15:39 (permalink)
Not meeee- Avanti did it all by himself-lol.
 
BTW- getting his name wrong aint all that much a bo bo cause soon it'l be stenciled on his jumpsuit.
Another past hero of the lib press.
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 18:15:39 (permalink)
Not meeee- Avanti did it all by himself-lol.
 
BTW- getting his name wrong aint all that much a bo bo cause soon it'l be stenciled on his jumpsuit.
Another past hero of the lib press.
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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 19:06:21 (permalink)
LDD, I'm findin' myself in a bit of a quandry here by partially agreein' with you, seein' as how you're actually bein' civil. You must remember that the dossier was submitted by a former MI6er, (I would have underlined FORMER, but underlinin' ain't possible), and was from the start, (in the words of James Comey), salatious and un-corroborated, and it was for the most part, the major part of the application to the FISA court. Additionally, the court was never notified that the dossier was paid for by Hillary Clinton, though there was some fine print about it possibly being a political statement. So basically, the court was duped, relying on the integrity of the FBI to act in good conscience. And, it wasn't just once. It was 4 different warrants, the last one being signed off on by none other than Rod Rosenstein. The new AG, Bill Barr, has already stated that there will be an investigation, and Senator Graham will also be calling in some folks before his Senate committee. Additionally, the Inspector General has been investigating and may also have something to say about it. His report is expected next month. I sincerely hope to see some heads roll. If this Deep State Coup can be heaped on the President of the United States, what could happen to the ordinary citizen? The plot doth thicken! When the security parts are over with, President Trump has stated that he'll declassify the whole shebang, and I sure hope it's before the next election, 'cause this entire facade has been about gettin' rid of Trump, or crippling his administration 'til the next national election.

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Re: Trump 2019/04/25 23:08:50 (permalink)
Emitch, may I respectfully disagree in saying, I do not believe the "court" was duped but rather, a part. It is the responsibility of the court to assure all is kosher, before issuing such warrants.

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Re: Trump 2019/04/26 05:58:02 (permalink)
You may very well be right, BT. One would think that a court so charged with the responsibility of weeding out espionage and such, would be staffed with the most upright and uncompromising judges on the planet. And yet, as you have alluded to, we just don't know the depth of the Deep State, because by now, we probably should have heard something (complaints) from the judge or judges who got whizzed.

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Re: Trump 2019/04/26 10:32:24 (permalink)
Emitch, as usual, you are correct in your thinking.

Going one step further, I should like to remind everyone there are those, gracing this thread too with thier wisdom, supporting the "integrity" of Mr. Obama's DOJ including his FBI, CIA, etc.

So no surprise to me, rogue judges are involved.

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Re: Trump 2019/04/26 12:42:41 (permalink)
LDD
Ok, I wasn't trying to instruct you, geesh, I was just making a statement about how they view their job...not as a hobby to throw money at. I don't disagree with your "narrative" comments, pretty spot on.  I think the only thing we disagree about is the fact that the premise of the investigation was based solely on the dossier.  How is anyone, not in the FBI or various other intelligence services,  to know the full scope of information that led to the opening of the Mueller investigation?  The dossier was an "intelligence" report written with not a very high degree of certainty by a very suspect source. (Not trying to instruct, just setting up my point)  Therefore, I don't believe for one second that it played even a partial role in the opening of the investigation based on it's sourcing.  However, I wasn't involved in the opening of the investigation.   I would postulate that nobody that wasn't in those high level meetings in multiple intelligence and law enforcement agencies has any clue what led to this specific investigation.  Now, if they open an inquiry into the premise of the investigation and it is found that career FBI agents used a suspect dossier, written by a paid former intelligence specialist, to open a two year federal investigation I would be very surprised and gladly eat crow.  
 
As far as your last statement, I think we agree that Mueller wasn't going to indict a sitting president.  




LDD, 
 
My apologies. I was kind of a d***. 
 
No, we are not that far off the center of each other. Our thoughts are in line, but the details are probably different. 
 
I don't think the dossier played a huge role in the investigation. However, I think it was used by media outlets to set a narrative. Once media took over this narrative, some Dems followed this rhetoric because it was already out there. My personal opinion, the DOJ didn't just take it upon themselves to begin an investigation either. The investigation was political warfare started by top level people who were scared s***less that an outsider was about to lead the country. My opinion, I think it has more to do with the Obama Whitehouse and top-level Dem party leaders. When Trump came into the picture, he was tossing sucker-punches at everyone (like his reality show). This was bound to wad up a few panties. He went after "our darling" Obama, and our "beloved" Hillary. He played dirty, and it Pi**ed off a few powerful guys (including billionaire donors). I think this was their payback. 
 
I do not think we will find "hard" evidence (or facts) that started the investigation. Let's face it, politics are not civil, and there are very few rules. I do think the DOJ began the investigation on make-believe premises with little hard evidence. There is still little to no evidence.   
 
I also never believed that Mueller would indict a sitting president because I figured there wasn't anything worth indicting over. The collision investigation proved to be a bust. Even the lead-up to the investigation was easy to shoot holes in. I never believed Donald Trump would "collude" with Russia to interfere for his benefit. It isn't conceivable to me. He is a filthy businessman, but I think he is a genuine American as well. I don't think he had the power to convince Russia to help him. There was little to gain for Russia with Trump as president. 
 
But.....with Ukraine in the mix, Russia has a lot to gain with Hilliary in office. He certainly had to understand that.   
 
I think the opposite. I think the DNC and Hilliary had the power to pursued Russia with promises. I just think the plan backfired. I think Russia did help Hilliary. If they didn't, I think she would have lost in a landslide. What we saw was a close race on election night because Russia was on Hilliary's side. How about that for a conspiracy!
 
I have no fight in the battle, but I do find the dialogue interesting and fun.     
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