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2015/09/22 10:56:33 (permalink)

What's up?

Haven't been seeing many fishing reports or updates this year. In addition we just got into town and the upper river is empty...in 15 years I have never seen so few fishermen above rt 2. Parking lots are empty. 6 cars at the trestle pool at 9 AM. I know the fish movement is slow but even with the disappointing trip in 2014 we saw more anglers then now.
We did fish the island above the black hole this AM and saw few fish moving. Did see a small pod of cohos and they were heading downstream. So what is different this year?
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    bigbear2012
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/22 11:46:09 (permalink)
    Couple bad years and now people wait 'til the "good" times to go up?
    The "nation" has folded and isn't sending boat loads of internet traffic up?
    Don't know.

    wishin i was fishin
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/22 11:59:43 (permalink)
    Thanks for the insight... Every year is different though. I've witnessed both cohoes and chinooks running backwards throughout the years. Could be a number of reasons why they do that. Clam shed ball park and staircase are all getting their fair share of pressure. I think this year is in store for one big monster Few day run with similar conditions to What we'be been seeing after that run.. But that's just my opinion. Hopefully chrome shows up in decent numbers.

    Honestly I prefer the lack of internet posting. I think its what the river needs. Will weed out the band wagon jumpers we've had the past 5-8 years :)
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/22 18:29:34 (permalink)
    Fish are all waiting till I get a free day to fish then all at once they are going to swarm the river and attack my plugs
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/22 18:50:11 (permalink)
    I use to think going up , working hard and landing 1 in a day was fun as all get out.  After all, they're trophy size fish anywhere else. Internet heroes  say you need to sink your hooks into a dozen a day just to warrant going. Fine with me.  Fan, you're due and it will happen.  Hope to get a ride with you this year.
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/22 19:43:48 (permalink)
    love the 40 a day reports---oops they shut that place down
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/22 20:15:38 (permalink)
    The fewer fish the worse the behavior of chasing and ripping. I have usually taken several trips up by now just do not want to deal with it.

    The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing.  ~Babylonian Proverb

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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 07:30:00 (permalink)
    I'm with you Clint, although I have something I should do in Lacona Saturday, so I may take an early AM  ride and take a look at the early insanity.  Had my heart set on a return to the Mountains (glutton for punishment) but my wife prevailed with her worries about me going alone and her reminders of how much work it is to get in and get out.  A 90 mile each way day trip she approved.
     
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 08:27:05 (permalink)
    I'm noticing some new, freshly arrived Coho Salmon and King Salmon up river, recently, off the drift boat. Ye-Haa!
    From Thursday's push, the Cohos started showing up river approx. 4 days ago. (Heard the hatchey has a number of them) The leading edge of those Kings that came in Thursday were spotted above Pineville, holding mid. day. Counted approx. 80 Kings in this general area off the drift boat. Add in the ones that have been up that way for awhile and its starting to fill in nicely.
    Best Fish's,
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 18:46:49 (permalink)
    The SR is a destination spot, akin to Cabelas.  Yeah, you can get hunting/fishing gear about anywhere but many want to visit a Cabelas.  The SR is like that.  I don't care if I hear all the salmon went to the Canadian side of the lake, I am still coming to the SR, if only to drink beer.  And I am going to do it for the rest of my life.
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 18:52:49 (permalink)
    they don't have beer in cincinnati?
    post edited by rap - 2015/09/24 16:04:53
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 19:11:00 (permalink)
    Yes, but my wife lives in Cincinnati.
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 19:32:52 (permalink)
    Sorry but have to ask this: are you ashamed of the life And family you've started???
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 19:58:59 (permalink)
    When the kids graduate HS and move on, then I'll bring her.  But for now, this is my little vacation.  
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 20:34:35 (permalink)
    I'd be taking my kids fishing, or doing things that they like to do, not taking long trips away. Then again that's just the way I was raised. Must do things different out in Ohio.  Since you brag about trips out west and elsewhere, it seems all a bit much. Then again I think about how nice it is on here when you stay away for awhile....
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 21:16:29 (permalink)
    Friend of mine said he was at the hatchery yesterday, and there were kings and cohos, pretty bright, just starting to color, and he could see one very bright steelhead in the ladder.  I think they are bolting up at night again.  But my trip just got cancelled by yet another funeral to go to. :(
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/23 21:42:15 (permalink)
    I was thinking this increased pressure (run and rip) in the early season would do the same as last year. I've noticed in other fisheries, heavy pressure and fish being scared repeatedly  puts them in a frenzied, very active state. I'm not an icthyologist, so I don't know what serves as the adrenal glands in fish and issues them the fight or flight response, but it makes eminent sense to me they'd book up the river in short order if pressured.  They say Kings will take a number of days to move all the way to the hatchery, but under pressure, I think that's shortened considerably. Thanks, Lucky and sorry for your losses. When you get to the river, it'll only be better. 
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 07:07:37 (permalink)
    Thx, Fichy.  I have the consolation that its not mine I am attending.
     
    I've seen the flight response down river, where in the pre-Doug days we used to see fish heading upstream through the pines at dawn and by 0800 they were headed back to Joss due to the cross river line up and riff walkers that greeted them upstream.  Makes sense that some may bolt upstream, they are following an irresistible urge to get to that gravel.  One thing I have experienced is that whichever way they flee, they are done biting for a while, at least until they get balled up with a bunch of others and forget about the yahoos along the edge of the run.
     
    Saturday should be warm enough to make it feasible to swing a Morrish Mouse or a Bomber through some tailouts for the early September Chrome.  May have to make my hot sauce Sunday so it won't interfere with what can only build from here as a run.  Or there is the Genny with only a 10 minute drive, although the thermal barrier seems to be limiting the run down there so far (unless you are a cricket thrower up in the small falls on the Maplewood side).
    post edited by Lucky13 - 2015/09/24 07:09:03
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 07:56:20 (permalink)
    I never thought of using a MM on the SR. The few I tied up  this year were destroyed by bass. Do you actually wake them through the tails?   So far, I've not had a steel take on the surface.
     
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 09:10:21 (permalink)
    A mouse pattern might be an interesting choice fishing a tail out at first/last light. 
    I too have had mouse patterns torn to shreds by bass especially pre or post spawn.
     
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 14:17:10 (permalink)
    Reports from the river salmon river numbers are low. They interviewed a few fish and they all said they are scared to run the river because of some troll from Ohio whipping around 1/0 Estaz hooks on a 1000.00 rod
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 14:44:28 (permalink)
    Are you sure your fishing the right river Wayne ? All the snagger reports say it's soooo much better then last year with LOTS of fish to be caught . Pushes daily , geesh !!
    Guess I will have missed it all when I get there

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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 16:18:37 (permalink)
    Must be missing it all. Not seeing to many being cleaned or any one hooked up. It's bad when DSR is advertising for fishing poles during the big run you are hearing about. They will come.
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 18:42:47 (permalink)
    I have tried dries, but I'm usually getting up there when the water is colder.  I know 2B has caught chrome on dries when the water is this warm.  He also caught a coho on a dry once, but that's another story and a half!  On Irondequoit Creek, I did once have a huge Fall buck come up and slam a globug dragging on the surface below me while I was lighting a cigarette. Missed him clean, one of the reasons I quit smoking (until the cigars creeped into my habit list :(_ ooo  )   I've also had some luck with unweighted wets right in the film (greased line) early in the run and on warm days. (What I call a wet is maybe what everyone else calls a streamer, flies like they use on the west coast, to me streamers are tied on 4x to 6x long hooks, and I'm not wild about them for Steelhead.)
     
    I'm just suggesting that if you find a "secret spot" full of kings and want to isolate the chrome, up top may be what keeps the sharks at bay while the greased lightening is being tempted.  If it is slow, what is to lose?
    post edited by Lucky13 - 2015/09/24 18:49:34
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 19:18:48 (permalink)
    That's a very good idea and use of technique, Lucky. Thanks.  I've got cohos very near the surface, and Kings right off the top. Getting a steel to pop up above their salmonid lessers would be cooler than anything i can think of....
    Kind of discouraging, Wayne. Only consolation is my last day of vacation  on the river is still 2 weeks out and things may improve by then. Keep pluggin'. 
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/24 20:17:03 (permalink)
    Have to say from my observation it is better than last year across the board... Although that's not saying much. Mouse patterns??? My brother and were throwing a mouse pattern in 2007 in mud may when the water had just dropped from 1800 cfs to 500 believe. Steel were in mass abundance up there in the lfz. He had one charge and swerve a few feet from it. I watched from the rt. 52 bridge. I had 3 steelhead aggressively hit in two days with no weight as the no weight rule was just a year or two old after may 14th... of them broke water but they were on little Bucktails tied on the tiniest jig head you can imagine. Water had dropped down to 500 while we were targetting the 2 days. The amount of fresh fish we saw running up during 1800 the first day was shocking... Haven't seen conditions like that since.
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/25 18:08:55 (permalink)
    Floated top end today, was able to pull plugs in every hole as the fishing pressure up top was light. Saw three salmon the whole day. three boats in schoolhouse and two in the wire hole, come around the bend in the trestle and holy cow!! had to be 3 hundred people elbow to elbow. One guy said they crushed them in there yesterday well I didn't see any, or bump into any pods that would have suggested fish were there and moving up. Never got a sniff or saw a swirl near the lures witch would be common if there were fish around. Lots of people asking were the fish are and I kept telling them the lake.
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/25 18:23:00 (permalink)
    Fan thanks for the honest report. I had suspected a pod was back there. They may be church hole and up by now though.
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/25 18:50:13 (permalink)
    Schoolhouse can also hold a lot of fish without seeing them as well as upper Ellis pool on road side of island. The circus has seemed to arrive in town. My son is content catching bullhead in the backyard
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    Re: What's up? 2015/09/25 19:47:12 (permalink)
    Dime thanks for the help the past few days. Till next time just a few days away. Tying some more the the trip.
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