pafisher
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Rich,herd those Salmon out there to the SR in time for the run so we can play with them at my "secret" spot come the end of Sept.Enjoy your time with friends and family. Meanwhile I might get out for the local trico hatch and wrestle with those 6"-12" brown trout in July LMAO!
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pa- it's not the size of the dog that counts, it's the size of the fight in that dog.
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Just an FYI Jack , I will be in Mickey Mouse land from sept 20-27.. I have a few vac days (28 & 29 ) open when I get back to visit the secret spot
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hot tuna
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Once again , the reports out of Mexico are slim pickins. A buddy was there yesterday and the only vehicle in the lot, that right there told him it was going to be sloooow, it was. 1 laker and 1 15" Atlantic . No matter to me, skis and good times ahead the fish will come
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Guy on the other forum reports 10 Kings for 53 boats weighed in at the Oswego derby---Ouch.
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dimebrite2
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Yes slim pickings... Round two today; kings are small also...still early but we may have to accept another off year
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chartist
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It wasn't a bad year on the SR in 2014....I saw a lot of steelies and nice browns even some cohos....Maybe the king numbers were a little lower, but there were plenty of fish.
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An off year might be a good thing, clear off some snaggers.
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hot tuna
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Well some are saying the fishing is great , others including myself are thinking its tough and going to be a close mirror of last year.. Kings in the river already, well yea that's nice .. Stacked out by the mouth , not biting our gear at least. Maybe I should try crickets out there.. The Charters at our Marina, 2 weeks ago had a good weekend from that west blow for them way out deep.. Haven't seen full boards in the last 2 weeks other then mix of mostly lakers and 2-3 salmon 10 to-20 # range.. I know, the fish get bigger when you have longer arms but the hanging pole don't. So what's 2015 gonna bring : 1: Lots of people and internet hype again, you know its coming db.. lol 2: I'm with snagger on this, a good push of fish on Labor day weekend water release.. Spent years in the estuary on that weekend and aside from the past 2, it's mostly a givin token.. 3. unless this weather pattern changes, a dry warm fall.. Not to my liking at all.. To many people, low water and stressed fish.. We will fish the lake as long as possible until I head to Florida for Mickey land 3 week in sept.. My remaining random Vacation days just got cut by 1. We are heading to Ontario early this Friday to spend some beach/boat time with grandson.. My week run out there starts in 9 days. River time is getting tight as I will be heading to the ADK's before season ends oct-15th, actually we will be at deer camp by first week in oct.. 4. Go get'em boys before I do out on the lake LMAO !!! 5: Peace & Tuna
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dimebrite2
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Tuna labor day release has always been a sure shot since I can remember. I've hit it every year since 91... Some years did better a week before with less water... Some years did better a week later with less water... For the mass crowds looking for fish??? Most folks should wait til labor day weekend... Or later... I thoroughly enjoyed labor day myself in 2012. I rolled in to town (home) late Monday once the circus left after a 3 day bout of nothing running from the dam release...... Karma was on my side as I approached an empty river early evening. Worked about half mile down to catch the head of what was the start of the most epic year I ever witnessed.... Let's hope for a great season for all... Keep it real and have fun folks!!!
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troutbum21
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Hey Dime I'll be standing by for your text telling me to get it gear the weekend after Labor Day like 2012. LOL
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Well Gerry , I will be aboard the Mae but might just throw the waders along just in case too :) Back in my day we would catch some good times on Labor Day weekend which we always went camping there at that time . Used to take the J- boat and fish for pike . Many times ended up in DSR with waders
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Ps. It will be the last sail of the season and will be pulled on that Sunday the 13 th
"whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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dimebrite2
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Gerry I still have your number ;) my take on salmon season has always been once its too cold to wet wade; my seasons over...lol... But keep in mind I've stomped through fields that were frost bitten while wearing shorts... But then again it sometimes frosts as early as Sept. 15th... As most know its a put and take fishery but nature does take its course... If I see anything substantial I will keep you guys informed ;)
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This is strictly tongue in cheek but you can thank the taxpayers of New York , not sporting license or DEC funds for the $576,000.00 repair to the roof of the SR fish hatchery . Now what would that fishery be without us ..
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troutbum21
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576K to repair? Hate to see the cost to replace!
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dimebrite2
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Unfrikkin believeable!!!! Obviously shoulda been a sealed bid type as it is state/public money... Which in fact must go to the lowest bidder no its ands or buts.... With the little knowledge I have of construction costs, I find it really hard to believe that 576k was the low bid without it being some type of inside gig (in which all bidders were inside on the deal)... Happens all of the time in all shapes and sizes. We the people really need to start standing up for our rights to overthrow corruption in the Local, state, and federal funding programs!!!
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troutbum21
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I do believe they can award a contract if the situation is deemed to be an emergency and the delay by using standard protocol of sealed bids would create a greater problem.
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dimebrite2
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Bahhh! If So, I think the greatest problem is 576k for a roof repair ... Unless tunas complete post was tongue and Cheek and this isn't true; that's completely ludicrous!
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you only have to accept the lowest bid if you're a distressed city or town....In my old home town, which is distressed, they put the garbage collection out for contract. The range was $16 per ton to $27 per ton. It was all sealed bidding. Whoever bid $16 is going to be hard pressed to make money. It goes without saying you don't always want the lowest bidder on a roof job.
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dimebrite2
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Distressed city or town has nothing to do with it. In my opinion no job should ever be awarded to lowest bidder. Bit in my experience, I believe public funded contracts above anywherds from 10-20 k must go to lowest bidder in a sealed bid
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Regardless of being mandatory for accepting a "low bid", you can bet there will be "change orders" leading to "cost over runs". Contractors make note of any potential "change orders" to use as a wild card in hopes of recouping any losses from proposing a "low ball bid". Not a bad thing as good contractors need some leverage to compete against the shoddy contractors. Problem is, these "change orders" can be used to conveniently increase payment to 'Uncle Charlies Construction Firm' so he can substantially underbid all other contractors. Remember who approves any "change orders" that, can produce some hefty "cost overruns" and the general public will never know why a $150.000 roofing job cost $255.000. Project managers, Inspectors, Clerk of The Works, etc. are people who represent the owner and are charged with overseeing the project. If these people are on the up and up, "change orders" are usually scrutinized line by line and may not be recommended, to the owner, as submitted by the contractor. However, if 'Uncle Charlie' provides for this 'representative' of the owner, well, chances are the dude shows up once in a while and, never reviews any "change orders" let alone, assures 'Uncle Charlie' is following the contract. Nor do the owners care!!!! I hauled asphalt for a contractor for about 3 weeks and in that time we resurfaced miles and miles of secondary roads in PA. All contract work going, to the lowest bidder. The inspectors, college students of, parents employed by PennDot. Their job, stand around with a thermometer and a clip board to record the temp. of the asphalt and, to watch for any diesel fuel that we might be using in the bed of our dump trailers. Meanwhile, the army of Penndot workers were busy cleaning ditches along with tarring and chipping roads that the contractors will likely be resurfacing with asphalt next year. Why does Penndot bid this type of work....... because the contractor can resurface the roads, with asphalt, cheaper then a state run unionized workforce can!
Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a life time. ~Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie (1837–1919)~ Old fisherman never die; we just smell that way.
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I hear you on the change order stuff... That all falls in to poor engineering or design. Unforeseen things are inevitable... But many engineers and architects are at fault for this. They can draw the lines and give us dimensions... But often they don't look as far in to the project as they should. I've done a few public funded jobs and two of them in particular were hand me downs from the first contractor going under from being the "low bidder" :) I bid a plumbing/process piping project out in west point for an independent contractor. Biggest I ever looked at. All said and done, out of 21 general bidders, the difference from high-low was 15 million dollars I believe... The contractor i was bidding with fell somewhere in the middleLowest bidder got it of course. I never did follow up to see what the outcome was though.
In other news: dark kings are being caught in the lake... Also, seen quite a few guys in parking lots with salmon gear... IMO: too hot, water too low... Stay home
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Change orders on large municipal projects are commonplace and can cost lots-anyone who ever built just about anything from a shed to a house has experienced changes that have an associated cost during construction its just a part of the building process- that's why so many govt. construction jobs have a contingency fund built into the cost . A builder once told me that its commonplace to have a house under construction go 10 o 15 percent over original cost estimates. I guess thats not a conspiracy because Govt. isn't involved -lol. Guys are certainly pushing the envelope showing up for Kings this early- most of us regs know its a nice walk but not generally a productive one this early-to even see one now, much less getting it to cooperate, is a nice diversion but not worth someones weekend or a special annual trip as yet.
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After today , good luck in the tribs . The fishing in the lake sucks . I for see crowds and tough times ahead for the salmon seekers . Winter trout guys might fare thee well :)
"whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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