Clint S
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My poor old dog
I think TB went through it a few months back, losing a beloved pet. The vet just all but diagnosed my dog with lymphoma. His lymph nodes around his neck are swollen pretty good. I opted out of the biopsy to confirm because he is 10 (old for a boxer) and I just do not want to put him through anything more. It would not change our course of treatment anyway. Chemotherapy is 4 to 6k and then it could not take or only prolong by months. We opted for high dose antibiotics just in case it is that 1% chance it is an infection and a course of steroids. Vet said this could possibly buy him a few months, but it is uncertain. Right now he is acting fine other than the swelling so here is to a miracle or at least a few more good months. We will make the choice when the time comes and his quality of life gets worse.............
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 11:09:36
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Sorry to hear clint. It sounds like you've made the most logical choice though. As you said, as long as hes not in pain a few good months are a definite bonus. Hope the best for him
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 11:10:38
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Clint, I know I am a 'stranger' to you NY folks, though I do lurk and enjoy all of the SR pics and such... but please know your pain is understood so well... our pets aren't just animals to many of us, they are parts of our families and have permanent places in our hearts. When they are happy, we smile at their antics, when they are hurt, we feel for them... when their time comes our biggest gift to them is comfort and peace, in whatever way it needs to be provided. You will know when that is, but I am sorry you are going through it... I do hope the antibiotics work and you get more time... though I can honestly say there is never enough time. Good wishes and prayers for you and your buddy...
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 12:04:13
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Awful news, I'll never forget two years ago my pitbull was limping. I thought ah he must of pulled something he'll get better after about 2 weeks he was still favoring his leg. We took him to the vet and he got an xray. He ended up having a nonhealable fracture secondary to osteosarcoma. Like you my pitty was older and we did not feel comfortable starting chemo (low likelihood of curing cancer) or amputation due to other musculoskeletal issues. Vet asked me whether I wanted to leave him! We took him home gave him pain meds for about a week and made the most difficult decision I've had to make in my 30 some years... What really was tough about this type of decision is the fact that mentally they are well-intact but physically he was breaking down. Hopefully he's in that 1 % otherwise I wish you the very best. We still miss that dog...
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 12:09:30
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Fisherlady said it so well. You are right I just went thru it and the pain and grieving are horrible but you will do what is right for you friend and that is all you can do. fI wouldn't trade places with you for anything in the world. Stay strong.
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 13:33:41
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I recently had a cat die. He was apparently eating poisoned rats. Not even a year old he was quite the cat. His name was bocephus. Luckily his side kick wasn't as hungry for rats so he's still with us. Just had a duck and rooster die recently too. Definitely not the same companionship as a dog... but the loss of the cat was a big bummer
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 14:17:55
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Always hard to know your about to loose a loved pet. Think you were wise not to fall into the overly expensive treatments that they can provide. Did that once and all it did was provide the dog with a very doubtful existence afterward and really didnt prolong the inevitable much at all..
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 14:49:48
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We lost our lab to the same disease. Best wishes.
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 15:16:12
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Clint, my heart goes out to you. Been there and I haven't been able to bring myself to get another dog for 10 years now.... We've got 2 kitties that get treated like royalty. I didn't take enough pictures, either. Hope you do and did. Don't be afraid to show some here, you know how we all feel.
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 15:45:29
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Clint I really can relate to what you are going to face as I too have a Boxer and she is ten yrs old.Right now she appears to be in good health but is on meds for a irregular heart beat and a pill to eliminate protein in the kidneys.I hope the antibiotecs provide a healing for your good buddy. The last pet that we lost was Buster the cat,he ws 21 yrs old when we finally put him to rest,his sister was 18 when she died in her sleep. The major problem with having a pet is that we outlive them and have to go through the pain of the loss.
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Clint S
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 16:04:24
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Thanks guys. It is very difficult right now as every time he walks by I contemplate his future and how much he has meant to me. Unconditional love and companionship go a long way. He was a rescue dog and my wife and I pretty much stole him from a guy who kept him in his basement 23 1/2 hours a day a beat him with an extension cord. They lived in the city. The guys wife was our accomplice, she told him he got out and ran away. Has has had a very good life and was treated like a dog should, able to run in woods go for rides up to the river and occasionally eat a whole loaf of bread off the counter. I will keep all posted as this post is a way to vocalize some feelings. I do not have kids so you all know how he gets treated.
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 16:18:36
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I want to scratch his ears. Will you please do it for me?
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 16:55:47
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Clint I would like to give you both a internet hug! Anyone that treats a dog the way you said his previous owner treated that Boxer deserves to be horse whipped,I have no tolerance for those type of people.
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/21 19:35:43
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Clint feeling for you and that beautiful dog, Bud! Put down my 17 yr old Corgi that was a rescue dog right after labor day. No one wants to see an animal suffer! Enjoy that beautiful dog and what he has meant to you and family! We were able to keep Beethoven going a couple years thanks to a good Vet. God Bless you and family!
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/22 00:16:14
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Clint. Thought and prayers coming your way. As everyone has said it is tough but keep in mind that your boxer has somebody in its life that has cared and continues to care. That is all a dog ever wants and you have provided it .. take care and hopes the antibiotics help
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/22 08:48:08
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Sad news indeed Clint . I lost my boxer when he was 8 to cancer. It was tough to bear watching him go down hill but at least it was quick. Beautiful dogs they are
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/27 16:52:04
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To Bad, about your dog. We my mom and I lost our pooch a poodle/terrier mix after 16yr 4 months. He had cataracts, lyme disease doggy dementia, what a great dog. He laid with my dad in his bed until my dad died of cancer a really true friend indeed. When we went to put him down, I left the room crying, cause i could not bear to watch. My motto always remember the good. I have great memories of my dad, my dog, family, good friends. I was blessed and I hope you will be to. God bless you!!
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Clint S
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/28 09:45:13
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Well after a week on the Prednisone he is doing well. He is still acting like his old self so all is good for now. We start the low dose roids every other day now. Thanks all for the support. Clint
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/28 10:23:16
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/28 10:47:38
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Great news clint. Hey you fishing this weekend?
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Re: My poor old dog
2013/12/30 12:22:34
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Great Clint Those Preds are a great thing- use them on occasion myself.
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Clint S
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/01/06 18:31:16
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Well since we have tapered dosage the swelling is back a little, but he is still his same old self and seems to be feeling well. Even went for a run with the wife Sunday.
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/01/06 20:02:54
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Clint S Well since we have tapered dosage the swelling is back a little, but he is still his same old self and seems to be feeling well. Even went for a run with the wife Sunday.
I'm really glad the meds are making him comfortable! Awesome that you are getting some extra time to enjoy him!
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Clint S
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/01/18 19:18:45
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Well the swelling is back to what it was a few weeks ago, but he is still acting fine. He is snoring alot at night. Upping roids to full dosage every day and hoping
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/01/21 14:10:10
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Hey Clint, I don't want to go into great detail reiterating what others have said, especially Fisherlady2, but there were others as well, too many to name. In short, I believe you made the right decision. Keep him comfortable and don't hesitate to ask the vet for pain pills. That's much more than an animal, it's family and many of us understand that. Most of all, when you know it's time, let the Vet do his/her job and consider euthanasia. It's the right thing to do. I had an Aunt that loved her dog so much and everyone could see it was suffering greatly, could barely walk. I offered to take him to the Vet and she declined saying "I love him too much" when in reality she just couldn't let go. We all felt so terrible for that poor dog.
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/02/17 13:39:25
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My daughter's 3.5 yr old Llasa started walking funny about a month ago, and she and my wife dismissed my observation as just her reaction to the snow and ice. Last week she started having problems standing up, and as of this AM, can't get up on her hind legs. The Vet said it is compression, like a slipped disc, and gave her some different kinds of meds to keep her down and relax it back into place so the bone stops rubbing on the spinal chord. But when called this AM, he says the only option is surgery at $7000, no gaurantee, mind you. I don't have that kind of cake lying around and if I did, it would be paying a down on a new vehicle. But if we put this pup down, I'm going to be on the shazit list with my wife and daughter for probably ever. And it is not exactly making my day to think about either, I've gotten pretty fond of the little thing. Oh Woe is me! L13
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/02/17 14:24:31
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Lucky13 My daughter's 3.5 yr old Llasa started walking funny about a month ago, and she and my wife dismissed my observation as just her reaction to the snow and ice. Last week she started having problems standing up, and as of this AM, can't get up on her hind legs. The Vet said it is compression, like a slipped disc, and gave her some different kinds of meds to keep her down and relax it back into place so the bone stops rubbing on the spinal chord. But when called this AM, he says the only option is surgery at $7000, no gaurantee, mind you. I don't have that kind of cake lying around and if I did, it would be paying a down on a new vehicle. But if we put this pup down, I'm going to be on the shazit list with my wife and daughter for probably ever. And it is not exactly making my day to think about either, I've gotten pretty fond of the little thing. Oh Woe is me! L13
I don't know if you can find a holistic vet, or a chiropractic experienced vet in your area or not... but if you can I would go that route before euthanizing or surgery. I had a husky mix who jumped off of a retaining wall as a 5 month old pup and subluxed 3 vertebrae. My vet at the time was into holistic medicine and prescribed muscle relaxants, anti inflammatories and rest initially, then she performed chiropractic manipulation to slide the spine back into line. She repeated the adjustments about 1x week for a month, then monthly for a couple of months, then infrequently till Sadie was about 2 years old. Sadie would sometimes have bladder leakage when the area swelled and put pressure on the nerves to the bladder but that was about it. A Baby Aspirin or two would help that. At the age of 7 Sadie hit the edge of a raised flower bed when running full speed around a corner and it tore all of the ligaments in her hind leg/knee. One of the ligaments pulled a large chunk of bone out with it and it broke into pieces in and around the joint. 2 vets told me to have her put down. I went to a 3rd who I was told to try and he had her in surgery the next day and rebuilt the joint and reconnected everything with a prognosis of 85% of normal usage. She recovered to nearly 100% and it was rare to ever even notice a difference in her gait... Both times I found a viable but unusual option that wouldn't cause her a lot of pain or suffering and would return her to a very good quality of life... that was the deciding factor for me... if she couldn't recover to happy and active I wouldn't do it... I was blessed to find the right vet and both recoveries were great. Sadie lived a full and wonderful life till her heart failed at just over 15 years old. If my vet hadn't been willing to try something different at the time she would have been put down and I would have lost the chance to enjoy the time I had with her.... I would be looking for a second opinion... Edit to add.... both times I was lucky enough that the treatments were actually very affordable.. I wouldn't be able to do 7K out of pocket for any treatments. Seems like vet care costs have skyrocketed as bad as human health care.
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/02/17 19:03:58
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That sux a giant bagodicks Lucky. I loved my pup and cried like a baby when we had to put him down. But that said I would have a hard time spending that kind of cash out of pocket on mt own health. No hyperbole. I put off the neck surgery for years because while the pain was extreme the cost of the surgery made me balk. Until I was able to be on my wife's insurance (pre existing conditions were allowed were allowed) it was grin and bear it. Justifying that kind of outlay for a dog , no matter how much I love him is beyond my logic. Good luck figuring it out.
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Clint S
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/02/17 19:24:31
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Well L I am truly sorry about the dog. It is a very tough decision, but 7k is alot. An update on mine............. I was actually coming on to post here. His breathing is getting bad and every breath is like a snore. He seems to be in good spirits and will eat if I mix canned food in with the dry. He is still begging for scraps and wants to go outside off the rope to wander. He was quite bad when I got home , breathing was very raspy and his jowels were swollen, but he met me at the door. I am hoping the Prednisone is wearing off after 24 hours and he gets bad, as he often will get a bit better a few hours after the nightly pills. Last ditch I will try a pill in the AM and one in the PM and see if that is better. That said if he is not a bit better tomorrow AM than he is now I am calling in sick and we will go on our last ride up to the river........................ As I type he is standing by the stove hoping a piece of something falls on the floor. I just want him to go out with some dignity and it is quite difficult to tell if he is suffering with this raspy breathing. I also do not want him to lose his breath when we are not home as that is no way for anyone to go.
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Clint S
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Re: My poor old dog
2014/02/18 06:54:58
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Well he is doing alot better this AM with some of the swelling gone and the breathing is a bit better. I think this medication switch may get him a few more days. At least for the moment I can tell he is in good spirits and not suffering that much. We will see what tomorrow brings.
The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing. ~Babylonian Proverb
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