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Killing Steelhead
Interesting. I wonder what the kill rate in Erie County is? http://www.ginkandgasoline.com/steelhead/you-may-be-killing-steelhead-and-not-even-know-it/ Steelheaders are generally pretty serious about catch-and-release, but it’s likely that many are mortally wounding fish without ever knowing it.There are few species of fish as vulnerable as wild steelhead. These fish are beset on all sides by threats both natural and man-made. With their numbers dwindling, it’s safe to say, every steelhead counts. It’s vital that those of us who fish for them practice the best catch-and-release practices.However, common landing practices can kill fish without the angler ever knowing. A team of biologists studying steelhead in British Columbia discovered this problem, quite by accident. These scientists were tagging steelhead with GPS trackers. They determined that the least intrusive way to capture the fish was, well, the same way we do it. With a fly rod. They landed the fish, tagged them with the GPS device and released them. When they went to their computer to track the fish’s progress they discovered something alarming.Within two hours many of the fish they had tagged, and released in good health, were dead. They collected the fish and performed autopsies to determine what had gone wrong. In every case the cause of death was head trauma. It turns out that ‘steelhead’ is a misnomer. The fish’s head is, in fact, its most vulnerable spot.When landing the fish the researchers had played them into shallow water where they would be easy to tail. As the fish came into the shallows they were on longer, fully submerged. Without the resistance of the water surrounding them, their powerful thrashing was able to generate momentum that is not possible underwater. The flopping fish simply hit their heads on a rock.The fish appeared fine when released, but their injured brains began to swell and soon they were dead. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Fish have evolved in an environment where hitting their head on anything with enough force to cause damage is almost impossible. Their brains lack the natural protection enjoyed by terrestrial species.Luckily, this unfortunate outcome is easily avoided. The angler has a couple of good options. Landing fish by hand in knee deep water is a little tougher but much safer for the fish. You can grab the leader to control the fish long enough to tail it. After a fish or two it will feel very natural. When possible, it’s best to use a good catch-and-release net. This is safest for the fish and easiest for the angler. A net helps you seal the deal while the fish is still fresh and requires little reviving.Always control your fish once he’s landed. Keep his gills wet and support his head in case he makes a sudden attempt to escape. Keeping him, dorsal fin up, will keep his range of motion side-to-side, making it harder for him to injure himself. When possible keep him in deeper water. Never beach a fish when landing him and never lay him on the bank for a photo. It’s just not worth it.Wild steelhead are a precious resource. Those of us who come to the river looking for them must lead by example and do our best to to be good stewards of these remarkable fish. Their future is, literally in our hands.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 14:39:29
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H3Fisher Are these the same scientists that claim global warming?
No, they aren't. Why would you think a climatologist would know anything about fish & fisheries? If you'd prefer to continue to abuse fish because it makes you feel like a big man, by all means, continue.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 14:47:26
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If you intend on CPR'ing your fish then there is nothing wrong with educating yourself on safe handling methods and trying to release/revive your catch with as little stress a possible. Nothing wrong with having a bit of respect for them. No matter what kind of "scientist" you "think" you are. Just because the steelhead you booted up on the bank or fish gripped for 1.5 minutes trying to get the hook out swam away fine doesn't mean it didn't go belly up later that day. But hey.. out of sight out of mind.. right..
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 14:49:07
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Well as long as I can get a chance to kill a few on Thurs. I'll be happy Mike
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 14:55:41
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My kill rate in Erie County is 3 per day
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 14:56:02
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☄ Helpfulby FiveMilePete 2013/11/22 00:46:45
H3Fisher Ever seen fish jump up water falls? The bash their heads / bodies off everything if they don't make it but keep on trying and live just fine. Sure one of the eyes might be looking up while the other is down but they live.
From this report Im surprised that all those fish in trout run arent dead. Ever go there and watch them jump to hit the upper cement wall head first. Then lay there and flop around til they fall back into the creek. Man some those fish make my head hurt when hitting that wall lol. Everybody slamming everyone else. What about our own fish comm. One heck of a pig pen then.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 15:14:30
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 15:20:07
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All for those fish..........
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 17:20:23
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There is always a report to conflict another report. Believe how you believe and if its moral and ethical then just tell everyone to pi$$ off.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/19 23:33:58
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"Gotta trust the internet!" ok, here comes my date. I met him on the internet. He's a french model. Bonjour.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 04:10:28
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H3Fisher I guess this is the bearded claw society
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 04:12:09
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So I take it this is the bearded clam society
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 06:53:44
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☄ Helpfulby TheBlueLagoon 2013/11/20 09:54:02
As soon as I catch one, I'm gonna kill it and tie it to the hood of my Jeep...WF...always the optimist
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 08:42:38
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Don't let your kids become brainwashed far left nutjobs, who wear too much fake tan and dress like a certain inappropriate for this forum word that rhymes with "luts"
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 09:51:31
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tim from harrisburg If you intend on CPR'ing your fish then there is nothing wrong with educating yourself on safe handling methods and trying to release/revive your catch with as little stress a possible. Nothing wrong with having a bit of respect for them. No matter what kind of "scientist" you "think" you are. Just because the steelhead you booted up on the bank or fish gripped for 1.5 minutes trying to get the hook out swam away fine doesn't mean it didn't go belly up later that day. But hey.. out of sight out of mind.. right..
I'm sure you catch and release fish with perfect form everytime, Tim from harrisburg. BTW He never booted a fish up the bank. You elitist get worse every year, your shat don't stink and even if it did you would find a way to say it smelled like roses.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 10:01:03
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tim from harrisburg If you intend on CPR'ing your fish then there is nothing wrong with educating yourself on safe handling methods and trying to release/revive your catch with as little stress a possible. Nothing wrong with having a bit of respect for them. No matter what kind of "scientist" you "think" you are. Just because the steelhead you booted up on the bank or fish gripped for 1.5 minutes trying to get the hook out swam away fine doesn't mean it didn't go belly up later that day. But hey.. out of sight out of mind.. right..
I'm sure you catch and release fish with perfect form everytime, Tim from harrisburg. BTW He never booted a fish up the bank. You elitist get worse every year, your shat don't stink and even if it did you would find a way to say it smelled like roses.
There is nothing elitist about treating a fish you intend on releasing with a little respect. But hey.. they're just dumb fish right and the state will stock millions more so woo kares right! Get over yourself.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 10:21:10
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tim from harrisburg
TheBlueLagoon
tim from harrisburg If you intend on CPR'ing your fish then there is nothing wrong with educating yourself on safe handling methods and trying to release/revive your catch with as little stress a possible. Nothing wrong with having a bit of respect for them. No matter what kind of "scientist" you "think" you are. Just because the steelhead you booted up on the bank or fish gripped for 1.5 minutes trying to get the hook out swam away fine doesn't mean it didn't go belly up later that day. But hey.. out of sight out of mind.. right..
I'm sure you catch and release fish with perfect form everytime, Tim from harrisburg. BTW He never booted a fish up the bank. You elitist get worse every year, your shat don't stink and even if it did you would find a way to say it smelled like roses.
There is nothing elitist about treating a fish you intend on releasing with a little respect. But hey.. they're just dumb fish right and the state will stock millions more so woo kares right! Get over yourself.
You get over yourself, he released the fish and it swam away to fight another day. I guess you never had an issue getting a hook out before? Get over yourself ya schmuck. Cry cry cry....wah wah wah...
Who's crying? You seem awful worked up over this.. strike a nerve? It's not hard to bring a fish in and remove the hook while leaving it in the water let alone in a net. Here's my original comment If you intend on CPR'ing your fish then there is nothing wrong with educating yourself on safe handling methods and trying to release/revive your catch with as little stress a possible. If that makes me elitist well then so be it. If that's too hard for you to comprehend just because the thing swam off fine then there is no point in continuing this conversation.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 10:27:12
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dano Within two hours many of the fish they had tagged, and released in good health, were dead. A knife in the skull and tearing out their gills usually has them dead in a minute or two. This 2 hour business sounds inefficient. Not sure what the hollering back and forth is about? The article is about 1 study. I can't imagine they are lying, I don't see any real gain from it if they are? Is it the end all truth, who knows. It seems to be pretty common knowledge, if you are going to C&R, keep the fish in the water as much as possible and release as fast as possible. Add that hero shot in, and you are jeopardizing the fish's life, pretty clear and simple logic, although it may hurt your feelings. I do it too, so guilty of torturing fish that have about the same sense of pain as most bugs, but still living creatures and should be respected to some level. All this is saying is there seems to be less damage when the fish stays in the deeper water and not smacking its head while being freed. Of course SOME fish smack their heads on water falls, who says these fish don't end up dead? Many if not most (without any government consirocy liberal scientist trying to steer me away from the facts that only talk radio provides) Erie circushead end up dead before they make it back into the lake anyway, mostly to ice jambs smashing the unlucky ones that didn't go home on a stringer and provide a meal. Heck, even fertilizer or cat food is better than rotting corpses on the side of the streams or floating in the lake. That is what a PUT and TAKE fishery is about. For those that think these fish all make multiple runs, explain why 1/3-1/2 of the fish in the streams aren't jacks, when they make up about that portion of the population?
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 10:40:26
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dano Within two hours many of the fish they had tagged, and released in good health, were dead. A knife in the skull and tearing out their gills usually has them dead in a minute or two. This 2 hour business sounds inefficient. Not sure what the hollering back and forth is about? The article is about 1 study. I can't imagine they are lying, I don't see any real gain from it if they are? Is it the end all truth, who knows. It seems to be pretty common knowledge, if you are going to C&R, keep the fish in the water as much as possible and release as fast as possible. Add that hero shot in, and you are jeopardizing the fish's life, pretty clear and simple logic, although it may hurt your feelings. I do it too, so guilty of torturing fish that have about the same sense of pain as most bugs, but still living creatures and should be respected to some level. All this is saying is there seems to be less damage when the fish stays in the deeper water and not smacking its head while being freed. Of course SOME fish smack their heads on water falls, who says these fish don't end up dead? Many if not most (without any government consirocy liberal scientist trying to steer me away from the facts that only talk radio provides) Erie circushead end up dead before they make it back into the lake anyway, mostly to ice jambs smashing the unlucky ones that didn't go home on a stringer and provide a meal. Heck, even fertilizer or cat food is better than rotting corpses on the side of the streams or floating in the lake. That is what a PUT and TAKE fishery is about. For those that think these fish all make multiple runs, explain why 1/3-1/2 of the fish in the streams aren't jacks, when they make up about that portion of the population?
No!!!! It doesn't matter what you did to the fish or how long it was out of the water as long as it swims away fine! (sarcasm) Good post though Pork.. and yes.. it's one study. You don't have to agree with all of it but you can choose to learn from it if you wish.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 11:23:45
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We need to get Goodell involved here, it appears we have a "League of Denial" going on with steelhead releasing. We need to implement a steelhead concussion program and they may have to sit out a few weeks if they are concussed. Do we have steelhead helmets yet?
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 11:52:14
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Don't forget the NCAA. If the fish constantly die that you release, it is obvious that you are showing a lack of steelhead releasing control, and are fostering a culture of catching fish above everything else, which must be punished by vacating all photos of fish you caught, and any citations you received. Even if you reported witnessing someone snagging a fish to the PFBC 13 years ago, and they did nothing.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 14:13:39
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If the PFBC ever tried to cover up a serial child molester to save the circushead program, I would expect there never to be circusheading ever again in PA. PSU got a slap on wrist. Unless the PFBC is trying to cover up a serial gill rapist... I wonder if that was what someone was talking about, when they said "PSUing a fish"?
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 14:22:25
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They got more than a slap on the wrist. People were fired, the football program has unprecedented sanctions against them, and the university paid millions to the victims. I agree that this should've been brought down on them but to say they got a slap on the wrist is idiotic!
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 15:37:38
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Disagree with porktown, but don't want to hijack this thread with an argument not related to fishing. Now, not questioning the validity of the study, it sounds well done and raises good points, nor criticizing anyone in particular's catch and release methods. But, the typical Erie steelhead "release" I see involves something along the lines of the fish being scooped up to flop around on the rocks while the angler's buddy fumbles with his camera, followed by the fish being kicked back in the water to swim away on it's side. By the logic of this thread, dead steelhead floating down the tribs should be as common as the leaves. Yet, I rarely see dead steelhead in the tribs, of course with the exception of those that are on stringers or being kept by anglers somehow. Maybe they get washed out into the lake, I hain't no scientist. Just making an observation.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 17:05:06
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H3Fisher
Now that's funny, right there. Even more so since I recognize that spot. It's a hotel in Huntington Beach CA. and no, I wasnt there for teh PETA convention.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 17:11:16
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fishingood Disagree with porktown, but don't want to hijack this thread with an argument not related to fishing. Now, not questioning the validity of the study, it sounds well done and raises good points, nor criticizing anyone in particular's catch and release methods. But, the typical Erie steelhead "release" I see involves something along the lines of the fish being scooped up to flop around on the rocks while the angler's buddy fumbles with his camera, followed by the fish being kicked back in the water to swim away on it's side. By the logic of this thread, dead steelhead floating down the tribs should be as common as the leaves. Yet, I rarely see dead steelhead in the tribs, of course with the exception of those that are on stringers or being kept by anglers somehow. Maybe they get washed out into the lake, I hain't no scientist. Just making an observation.
You are exactly right I have rarely witnessed a dead fish drifting or laying near the bank. I have on occasion netted a fish that wasn't revived well enough and was having issues righting himself and revived him. I have also grabbed 2 separate times fish on stringers that were going down with the current.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 18:32:15
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I have witnessed more camouflage wader wearing fishermen in Erie than anywhere else in the civilized world.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 18:59:51
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☄ Helpfulby coldfront 2013/11/20 19:54:28
Just because you can't afford the extra dinero to add the camo option when you buy gear. There's no need to be hatin.
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Re: Killing Steelhead
2013/11/20 21:08:05
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I don't care for guys who put fish on stringers. The guys in camos just look funnier when they're doing it on a hot day in September. The yinzers will say I bought a license I'll do what I want....But there's plenty of guys who pay $50 to fish the Douglaston salmon run for day and the rules are C&R on trout.
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