Tubes Update

To make things clear, I have never fished the tubes nor do I ever plan to, but the insanity around this topic has peaked my interest. Your 8 page long bashing spout of the landowner, bait shop and anyone else not agreeing with you made me realize that I had to do some investigating myself. So here are the facts I gathered.
 
The reason it was posted – Thank you White Death:
“The reason the land was posted is based on a couple of instances experienced by the landowner. First, he had a couple of unpleasant encounters with steelhead fishermen on his own property. This set the stage for combustion to eventually occur. What started the fire and ultimate posting of the property was the landowner was apparently recently cited for a trespassing violation by parking his car, along with a couple of friends, on the adjacent property which is posted. According to my reliable first hand source the owner had a hand shake agreement with the nursery owner to access his land through their property. From what I gather the land in question is landlocked or quasi inaccessible. All landowners have a right to access their property whether landlocked or not. The party responsible for the citation was the Pennsylvania Game Commission, not Fish and Boat, and it apparently went to court. The fines ended up standing and were around $180 for each person. This broke the back of the property owner and triggered the posting, so the story goes. If this is correct it is actually shameful. Not that anyone is above the law but it seems common sense and law enforcement discretion was not applied. This is what I was told anyway. None-the-less I can’t blame the landowner.”
 
Additionally, in recent years, rumor has it that some of the neighboring landowners were given hefty sums by the state for their stream property, yet the state decided to stiff this landowner who arguably had the nicest property for fishing.
 
I am on the side of the owner, and would do the same after those incidents. In other words, “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you”.
 
What happened next:
The landowner was fed up with all the shenanigans and posted the property, rightfully so in my opinion. Apparently afterwards there was a change of heart and the landowner asked if Trout Run B & C would tend to the property and use it for their needs, be that guiding or private fishing etc. It is not known if and how many other shops/groups were asked the same question, but if Trout Run wouldn’t take he was to move to the next shop.
Trout Run B & C accepted the offer, and everyone jumped down their throat. Honestly, I would have done the same if the option was to have it posted and given to someone else or let me fish it. Trout Run B & C did not want to police the property and chase people away, so the landowner leased the property to a 3^rd party NOT “Trout Run B & C”.
 
Current Situation and some great news:
Landowner is working with Trout Run B & C, the lessee and others on making the water fishable for special groups such as:
-       Disabled
-       Veterans
-       Mentoring Program
-       Wounded Warrior
-       And a few others I did not catch
 
These are phenomenal ideas and I am hopeful that something positive is coming out of this. After all, there is no ease of access aside from the wall and we all know how much fun the wall is. Enabling those with needs to hit the creeks we were privileged to enjoy for years would be a great deed. Also, the wounded warrior is a great facet, as I am familiar with the project in Syracuse called Healing Waters that works with Veterans on the Salmon River and does some amazing things.
One of the items that needs to be addressed is access to this property for the disabled, elderly and wounded. A grant would be the ultimate solution, so let’s show some support to these people who are working to make this happen and stop bashing them.

Can Trout Run Bait and tackle get some more shills on here ???
 
Trying to back track now gains them nothing. And nothing is exactly what they will get out of my wallet...

I could care less about Trout Run B&C or any other bait shop.
I do however care about the access possibilities, having many veteran friends who could benefit from this.
 
 

BaddaBing
Hahaha i am an active user here on a different name and have been for years ever since George owned it. But if owned the shop i would guide on it and post pics every day just **** off ignorant trolls like you!

So I am a troll because you have multiple screen names? Again, please post the bait shop listing price before it falls further.

Ever heard of:
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

The person who sent me the PM, can you please resend as I deleted it by mistake and cannot send one out for another 5 days due to new membership.

a regular here??
"Skip"???
 
 
I  think what might of been your first mistake (and why you got jumped)
was your mention of "facts" 
but what  appears  to be "he said/she said" 
 
 
then mentioned "rumors" 
 
and finally,  "speculation" on what some might "possibly" like to do
 
 
 
 
and you had to start a new thread repeating 90% of what someone already said???
the only thing new was the speculation of privileges to  select groups
 
 
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt , have you personally talked to the land owner and the lessee?
 
 
 
  
..L.T.A.
 
 

All I wanted to know is if I could fish there anymore or not.....
Wow 18,000 views later  and still going.
Baddabing all you accomplished with post is moving the topic to a different title.
You simply repeated what has already been stated and then threw in the SPECIAL ACCESS for ...thing.
If they really wanna make it for kids disabled vets that would be nice but sounds like hearsay'
I like fishing the tubes but the stretch below them isn't that great most of the time.
Its simply the fact that we keep losing fishing spots and the theme behind it is $$$$$$.
Times are changing I think we all get it but that doesn't mean we gunna lik it.
TRB&T made a choice without thinking about the consequences IMO-
Landowner I am not upset with at all but face it if you own creek front property it comes with some headaches it is was it is.
Too busy with work and looking to spend time in the deer stand won't be out to the creeks for a while but will keep checking in here
sometimes I laugh, sometimes I just shake my head ,and every once in a while I learn sumtin' ....

"LOST..."
There are maps on here and tons of info to help you out if that's what you want seek and ye shall find....

Dude not trying to jump down your throat but Donny beavers said he would do the same thing and look what happened to those sections of elk and 20 dudes motto is never fish with the common man again! If they wanted to take vets and disabled or kids you could do that any part of the streams. Don't think people would Be as upset if guys weren't getting there pockets filled