dano
I believe at one time when we discussed the nursery water option. WCO said that would not be feasible. (can't remember why). PA does use and posts certain sections of certain streams in the ANF as " fish refuge area" with no fishing or wading during a set period of time.
 

Under 58 Pa. Code §67.2 (relating to refuge areas), the Executive Director of the Fish and

Boat Commission (Commission), with the approval of the Commission, may designate waters as

refuge areas to which section 2306 of the Fish and Boat Code, 30 Pa. C.S. §2306 (relating to refuge

areas), shall apply. Section 2306 provides that the Commission may set aside, in its discretion, such

areas as it may judge best as refuge areas in which fishing or entry shall be prohibited for such

periods of time as the Commission prescribes. According to the regulation, the designation of waters

as refuge areas shall be effective upon posting of the waters after publication of a notice that the

waters have been so designated in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.

Yea, WCO says it's not feasible because they don't want to **** off landowners, I'd wager.
PFBC has already declared nursery waters at Trout Run & Godfrey Run, they could do it again, but they won't.

KJH807

SteelSlayer77
 
 
I like the Montana stream access law better.  If a land owner wants privacy and is tired of the masses, then they should sell their land and move somewhere near by a smaller stream that doesn't get stocked.  The land value increase due to the publicly funded resource put there would more than pay for the cost of relocating. 
 

thanks for your entry in the "dumbest post of the year 2014" contest... you are the new front runner
congrats and good luck!

 
Beat me to it, KJH, but shouldn't it be 2013?
 
This close to the end of the year, with that much of a commanding lead, it'll be tough to beat.

Git Ahht Landownerz! Deez R ahr cricks!  We pay fur dem steEkHeadZ ta be stahked wif ahr licinz muney!

Seriously, dUUd.  
 
Your post was so dumb it might be the dumbest post of both 2013 and 2014.

SteelSlayer77
 
 
If it's good for Montana it's good for PA, would just need to get the PA constitution amended.  I agree your idea is much more feasible but mine was hardly the dumbest post of the year.  I did say it could be limited in some ways, not an exact replica of Montana. 

 
don't get me started
Do you know how BIG Montana is?
more people fish the TINY area of Erie Pa tribs each year than the ENTIRE POPULATION of  Montana ...
 
but you want to force the land owner to let a million cueballs tramp around, hoot 'n  holler and hi-five when they catch a fish , all because the land owner happens to have a ditch that runs thru  his backyard
 
gimmie a break ....what a bunch of selfish sumbeeches
 
 
..L.T.A.
 

If the land is posted and no public access is allowed, IT SHOULD BE DEEMED NURSERY WATERS. No individual should be permited to make profit from the fish that we pay as anglers to have stocked. this is not right. We buy our fishing liscense every year and some of us donate money through the 3cu's. Most steelhead fisherman donate to the 3cu's wether they know it or not. Every time that you buy skien or trout eggs, that's where the money goes.  THIS IS NOT RIGHT.  IT SHOULD BE STOPPED BY THE PAfish commission

"THIS IS NOT RIGHT.  IT SHOULD BE STOPPED BY THE PAfish commission"
 
****ed right. The PF&BC should stop letting "YOUR" fish, swim all over someone else's property.

The PFBC makes a conscious effort to avoid stocking trout in private, closed to the public fishing sections of trout waters.  Spoon just taught us that steelhead will not stay put and will at some point wind up in private non-accessible portions of the Erie ditches.  Every year for quite some time now we have experienced a reduction in publicly accessible steelhead water.  So with that said, why not take the same approach with steelhead stocking as we do with trout fishing and quit stocking the stupid things?  Why bother to allocate that much funding towards something that can't be fully utilized by the majority of the people contributing the money?

I can completely understand if the landowners don't want a zillion people tromping all over there land. However, they should not be permited to profit from it either!!!!!

SteelSlayer77

D-nymph
Git Ahht Landownerz! Deez R ahr cricks!  We pay fur dem steEkHeadZ ta be stahked wif ahr licinz muney!

So because some stream barely holding water today was used for commercial purposes in the early 1800s and deemed navigable anyone can wade through within the high water marks, but a publicly funded recreational resource in use today shouldn't give residents of the state the same right? 

No.
How would you like it if I or the state told you what to do with YOUR property?  Earlier, essentially what you said, is the steelhead are valuable to the public, and if the private landowners don't like it, they should sell their properties & move their families somewhere else.  Think about it.  I hope you are not older than 16.

D-nymph
No.
How would you like it if I or the state told you what to do with YOUR property?  Earlier, essentially what you said, is the steelhead are valuable to the public, and if the private landowners don't like it, they should sell their properties & move their families somewhere else.  Think about it.  I hope you are not older than 16.

Well it's essentially already being done with the navigability rule on other trout streams, do you not agree with that current law either?
 
I own a home and close to 10 acres of property not all that far from Erie.  If I was lucky enough to have a resource like Steelhead put into my back yard for free, I would have no problem with that.  I'd sell it in a heart beat to the right person willing to pay a premium for the land, and buy a similar property in the same general area where it was more secluded.

I certainly hope their "guides" are licensed & insured! 
 
"Hate mail"! haha.  I sent that e-mail to them.  Here is the body of the "hate mail":
 
Good job leasing that property on Lower Elk Creek.  You’ve forever lost my
business and that of my many friends.  Including the group of 40 out of state
anglers who were all going to be stopping in your shop next month.  Hope it was
worth it!  Greedy people like you are ruining Erie’s fishery forever.
 
Trout Run Bait & Tackle then flipped out a little bit sending me two e-mails, one of which is posted above and the second included comments like "real easy to talk big when hiding behind a computer" and some thing about "that's what I used to tell my middle school children" and that "you might like to take this chance to apologize".  sheesh.

I don't think they understand what a lease is either.  They are essentially sub-leasing the property, in other words they are leasing through a broker.

They must've gotten more e-mails because they posted this last night:
 
I truly had no idea that having our guides fish on a private section of water would cause such a riot. Our guides will stick to public access from now on...
 
http://trout-run.blogspot.com/
 
If true, good for them.

All of this was was brought up to or Commissioner Ed Mascharka last nite at the PSA meeting. The group of attends let him know how the fisherman feel about groups using all our stocked fish for there private fishing areas and someone making money from our fish bought with our fishing license money. May be  we should have a mob fishin on these areas to wake up the Fish Commission.

Was a good spot to fish...