Tailwater lodge/ Altmar school update

Sounds as if the Salmon River is going to become a rose between two thorns.  I wonder if the new lodge is going to have gillies to cater to the Chic Chic crowd.

well there goes my rock...but there is lots of river to fish....i will miss being able to just grab the rod and walk over to the river

carpet bagers of a new era

With GE getting in the "fracking game" how long before Cuomo caves.  We may not see a total pay to play on the Salmon River in our lifetime but I do believe it will eventually come to be.  Now that their is a competitor in town the race is on to purchase more parcels as they come available.

No public access no fishing on stocked streams sounds good to me,but that'll never happen either.
I hardly ever fish below the bridge,but from what I remember the public access side is better than the other.I think I'll have to join RG and watch the circus when the well heeled yuppies cross lines with the "Joe dirts" LOL

I really do not fish alot on that side either  and the other side does IMO fish better from my meager experience.  It will be interesting on how it rolls as it Joe Dirt will be on one side and Mr pay to play on the other.   No wading past the mid point?   What about drift boats anchoring????    No casting past mid points???  As the map shows they only own into the river at one spot.   It will be interesting.  This is new territory as the DSR owns both sides, so it's not like the stretch will be limited to # of people.  You will be fishing across from anyone who cares to be there  not to mention the drift boats.   If there is fish and it is good fishing people will pay,  BUT  can they make the money to cover the overhead.   DSR has limited overhead when it shuts down for the summer.   I think this place will be hurtin in the off months.     

Andy, that is the tax map and I viewed several different parcel viewers and all were the same as the picture above with them only owning to the middle of the river in that one spot.  I am sure they did their home work on this though.   Just interesting  on how it plays out seeing that it really is not private access and there will be boats and folks fishing on the other side for the same fish.   
 
Put me on the traitors list, although I do not have a pass I am on the list and if I have the $$$$$ I am seriously thinking of purchase if I have the funds when and if.  

The black flies should be pretty well done on the hill by now, but , Oh my, watch out for the deerflies.  Unlike ADK deer flies, that buzz around and make a nuisance of themselves before landing to take a bite, these guys use the ears and neck as Drive/Fly through windows, and barely slow down before leaving the blood running down your neck!
 
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  The privatization of river portions is certainly worth the interest and resulting opinions afforded here.-Of that there is no doubt. That there may be pros and cons in those opinions and observations  is also more than noteworthy.
   There are ,however IMHO , several clear underlying factors involved in the resulting opinions- am not 100% sure where I stand on many of them but I sit here and try to understand them all with equality and attempting to remove personal interests in the effort to look at it from a purely common sense and reasonable manner..
  First the Fishery was generally CREATED by various Govts  including US, Canada and a variety of States and Agencies dedicated to  restoration  of what had become a relatively dead Great Lakes fishery. In that regard the Lakes in general are kind of what Tuna described in  a NY river recently-a fake fishery- IMHO this is not a negative statement  but simply an observation about stocked non native fishes.. YES-- many if not most of the species we so eagerly chase are introduced and not native to  waters throughout the US today- not just the SR..
   Accepting that reality I guess the next step would be to look at the Fishing Public's ability to enjoy the condition that has resulted- not just in the SR. Frankly it seems to be accepted well across the Country with stocked fishes and introduced species generally becoming the main attraction.
 If we only were able to fish for Natives species- which many would  likely prefer to do -- there would frankly be such limited fishing opportunities most of us would likely be prohibited from even trying. Too many folks and not enough places without damaging fragile ecosystems would result. Therefore- Stocked Introduced  species.
  As we tend to fish what has become the 'poster river' in the now famed Great Lake fishery for the aforementioned stocked intro species we are faced with larger issues and realities. Public access is of course our recent main concern as it is ever evolving.
   Like Bear mentions he will not be able to just walk across the Street to go to his favorite rock anymore because of NEW access issues. Andy mentioned he still feels the pay to play is reasonable enough and enjoys the waters  in the lower river.        
    These are issues that are near and dear to most all of us myself included- I have lamented the NO signs found on more and more private property along the congested River for some time observing more limited opportunities- Privatization was sure to follow and I fear it is far from over.
   Bottom line IMHO is the States responsibility to maintain PUBLIC rights to as much River or Lake access as possible to insure Public opportunities to the Public financed fishery.  The reality is that for a long time now we have become used to bening able to fish from Private properties on the River and that is changing.
   Actually when ya take a look at the big picture the Boating fishermen on the Lake have been facing similar conditions for years- MOST boats are not stored or launched from Public places but from expensive Private places.
  No answers - just some thoughts about realities some of us are having 'issues' with..

Spot on with the prices Andy -IMHO. SR frontage is likely at a premium compared to out of the way places deep in the Country.
 With limited budgets its likely a big issue to buy in these fiscal times and folks go for the biggest land buys for the dollar one may well believe.
 That said there is never a good time to buy or hefty Govt  accounts for such things.
 Squeaky wheel kinda thinking, but getting guys together for a big push on SR frontage would be difficult. Have tried that' contact the Govt ' thing many times and despite lots of crowing from time to time by concerned folks its a lonely adventure.
 Still worried bout the Ballpark 'issue' that we heard last year. Loss of that would impact the rest of the River in a big way with fisherman pressure- local dollars too one may think.
 One may well think a nice cooperative property tax credit would go along with the river frontage thing- But the locals may not go a long with that.

Off topic, but in this one Andy is right the Chigger (black fly)  dance was very minimal this year.   Almost non existent compared to other years.   The deer flies have started to make and emergence and had a few dive bombing me last week and tonight.   If one lands on your person you pretty much have to beat yourself to a bloody pulp to kill them.   I have smacked them hard enough to leave 5 finger marks only to have them shake it off give me the finger and fly away.   They are brutal.   A bit of info they are attracted to shiny surfaces and for some reason the color blue  (brighter, not navy)  sostay away from that color