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Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies ye

Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies yet and virtually no Browns. Would appreciate a report from any of you on conditions (including temps, snow totals on the ground in Altmar, best flies to use now, and best fly rigs to use). Also wondering if the tribs (Orwell, Trout brook) would be worth a try. Thank you!
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 11:04:53 (permalink)
    Can't help you with conditions up there as I'm not there but in Ohio waiting for a break in weather.But if I was going on the SR I think I would tie up some of those hellgramites,or try a black wooly bugger.Nympths in natural colors,or dark stones might work,smaller size 12-16.Upper river would probably be the place to go.
    I just might try it here tomorrow as I'm really itching to get out.
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 14:40:49 (permalink)
    IMHO-The tribs dont generally get Steel till the spawn is about to begin -they dont winter in them and there are still winter conditions up there.
      Typical late winter  from the reports -fish here and a fish there..
     Last year this time was 30 to 40 degrees warmer.
      Hope you have a good trip-good luck- its a great place anytime.
    post edited by retired guy - 2013/03/22 14:43:57
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 17:35:24 (permalink)
    What RG said.   Water temp is cold enough to freeze your fingers off if you get wet.......    really it is about 32 to 33 degrees.   There is probably a foot or so of  new snow on the ground on top of what was already here.  Temps will be in the high 30's during the days for a few days.  There are a mix of fish in the river, but more old over winter fish than freshies.  There have even been a few spawning or digging out redds, but it is just too cold for that to happen.   I would go with black or brown stones  or other nymph like flies.  A nice sunny warm day may turn them on.

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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 19:37:48 (permalink)
    Yup, clints right.... waters going down to 500 tonight. If we get upper 30's with ssunny days next week it could raise that water temp just a few degrees mid day to trigger a good bite.
    Unfortunately, once steady warmer weather comes the water will get very cold with snow melt run off... it could be just a matter of time before the river blows out completely if we get hard/warm april rains... next week could end up being one of the better weeks of the next few... either way have fun.
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 19:43:46 (permalink)
    OH yea  500  and  temps in the 40's for Tues and Wed.    If it holds out until Tuesday............................

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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 20:47:07 (permalink)
    I hope it holds for you, Clint!!!!!!!   That's the best scenario I've seen in  many weeks.
     
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 21:00:50 (permalink)
    It shuld hold out with no rain. Its gonna take more than a few high thirties days to get the snow pack melting big... we could get a one week window of decent fishing air/water temps before the water starts getting funky...
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 21:03:12 (permalink)
    fichy

    I hope it holds for you, Clint!!!!!!!   That's the best scenario I've seen in  many weeks.

    Charlie

     
    X-2
    stringing up the long rod now.. umm when is trout season :)
    maybe run into a few folks next week..


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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 22:28:32 (permalink)
    we were up there sat sun and mon morning altmar 0 for 2 sat and sun cold, monday morning very cold but must have found a warm water area because went 1 for 10 in about 2and1/2 hours (Im not going into the water stayed on the bank) gave a newbe a chance with one and he landed it so maybe 2 for 10 they were hammering them up at the bridge  (sucker spawn and pink worm was what i used) we wont be able to be back up till the 12 and 13th of april (if it stays cold like this the steelies might stick around for a little while.
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/22 22:41:31 (permalink)
    Was up on Tug off and on in mid Feb. Res was full then but not all that much snow by the normal standards- Ground was covered but not real deep.
     If they got more snow the melt may well trigger some large releases.
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/23 09:53:31 (permalink)
    Thanks sarge, glad you got some and helped the newbie, too. I tie  a big pink worm that's thinned  aquaseal rubbed over chenille. The best day I've ever had on the river(that ain't saying much) was with it on 4/1  right at the bridge.  Thanks for the report!!!!!
     
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/23 13:56:15 (permalink)
    Saw a dropback hen caught yesterday on I Creek in WNY.  Finger Lakes fish were reported to be in in numbers and still pretty hard when schocking was doen Thurs and Fri.  And it looks like the Genesee may come down this week, too.  There should be fish in a lot of these spots, and on the SR into May.  On the SR, just take your time, remember where you've seen gravel in the past and watch for lighter patches of bottom, and if there are no ghosts out on the redds, fish the deep areas up and down from the disturbed gravel.  If you do fish to spawners, try to avoid catching the hen(s) as if you spook them downstream (or kill them) the males all disperse, looking for other hens.  Big, gaudy, threatening stuff, or roe imitations work well on the males.  If I were opposed to fishing redds, I'd go lower on the river and find a place they would slow down while coming upstream , like the stairs, or some of the runs around the ball diamonds and down below the Endzone, and fish roe patterns (I'm partial to globugs in the snaggy spots as they are cheap and ez to tie).  DEC says the fish are scattered throughout the river, but most of the pressure is upstream.  But a lot of fish that come in late won't run the whole river, so there could be a lot of freshies downstream, or in the middle river where the long runs could have big patches of the right substrate.   
     
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    post edited by Lucky13 - 2013/03/23 14:01:41
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/23 18:10:27 (permalink)
    L13,great post and very good info.Heck,maybe I'll make a run late April.
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/23 19:15:03 (permalink)
    x2.  I'll use some of that advice, Lucky.   Get some of those Erie fish first, Jack.
     
     
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/23 20:05:11 (permalink)
    I'm going to get them Charlie.......I feel it in my bones!
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/23 22:13:40 (permalink)
    Sarge, great to here you had a good trip!!! I dont care what anyone says...ten hook ups in a day is a good day indeed...
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/24 13:31:53 (permalink)
    You are all welcome.   Spring fish are very different than fall fish. and if they are not where you first go, sometimes a little "out of box" thinking can be helpful.  The conventional wisdom is that they are running upstream, and even the 17 miles of SR is short in relation to the west coast, so they will hit their heads on the dam and then stack downstream into the UFZ.  And  a lot of fish will.  Buit if they have to get on the gravel fast, and a lot of later run hens will come in loose and dripping an egg here and there right out of the Lake, some will drop on the first gravel they hit.  A few years back I was reconoitering lower I creek with some guys from USGS for a project we were working on, and we went down a side channel in the wetlands at the low end of the creek, and hit a spot where a small trib came in and had cleared gravel and had some flow going, and there was a pair out on that, with still a couple of miles upstream to hit the typical Rainbow water.  This is also the time of year, Dime, when you can get some value added with that season pass.  I would wager you could find a redd today in the tail of the meadow.
     
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/24 21:36:25 (permalink)
    Lucky, ive yet to see a steelhead redd in douglaston to date but have witnessed salmon spawning down there even as far down as wetland type areas like you mentioned just below the meadow where it gets veiny... id imagine early spawners of rainbow, summer run and fall runsteelhead are already dropping back though. I wouldnt doubt that steelhead do spawn down low, just havent seen it yet and often this time of year the water is way higher than 500 cfs where visibility is tough down there
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 07:23:17 (permalink)
    True about the high flow and clarity. Also a lot of the late fish may come in around the same time they lock up for the late spring- summer period.
     
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 07:54:32 (permalink)
    If I can drag my stiff, sore and tired old bones outta bed in time to drive up and fish somewhat low on the river (only want freshies) in the morning will I catch fish?
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 08:04:36 (permalink)
    twobob

    If I can drag my stiff, sore and tired old bones outta bed in time to drive up and fish somewhat low on the river (only want freshies) in the morning will I catch fish?


    Only way to know is try

    saw plenty of guys yesterday in town pool. Was even a drift boat locked down towards the tail... first time ive seen pressure down there since early winter
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 08:17:49 (permalink)
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    twobob

    If I can drag my stiff, sore and tired old bones outta bed in time to drive up and fish somewhat low on the river (only want freshies) in the morning will I catch fish?


    Only way to know is try

    saw plenty of guys yesterday in town pool. Was even a drift boat locked down towards the tail... first time ive seen pressure down there since early winter

    Was Dawn out there protecting her hole?
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 09:15:04 (permalink)
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    twobob

    If I can drag my stiff, sore and tired old bones outta bed in time to drive up and fish somewhat low on the river (only want freshies) in the morning will I catch fish?


    Only way to know is try

    saw plenty of guys yesterday in town pool. Was even a drift boat locked down towards the tail... first time ive seen pressure down there since early winter

     
    Friggin spot burner.
    You know that is my secret go to spot.
     
    Why do I come to this site if noone can tell me if I'll catch anything.
    What kind of experts are you guys anyways.

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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 11:01:08 (permalink)
    All kidding aside when I first started to fish Steel spent many an April  day drifting large Crawlers in the town pool. If there was no action just keep moving till ya find the right slot for that day. Rarely got skunked there.
     
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 11:51:30 (permalink)
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    All kidding aside when I first started to fish Steel spent many an April  day drifting large Crawlers in the town pool. If there was no action just keep moving till ya find the right slot for that day. Rarely got skunked there.


    RT, spot burning is semi tolerable... but bait burning is a whole other ball of wax... shame on you
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 12:11:19 (permalink)
    RT,you're right on there......garden hackle was my bait of choice way back when I fished the lower end for drop backs late April early May.Medium size shiners was also a good choice.Of course this was before I became a fly rod snob
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 14:17:45 (permalink)
    Sorry Andy-
     When fishing those large Rattle Snakes on the Susquehanna river near Boston I sometimes use my fly rod- gently roll casted or simply drifted into slots from above can provide positive results. Those darned bluefish just love them on some days.
      My favorite hole is located right by the Irish Deli run by some kinda troubled individual who serves great  fried gumbo on a Portugese roll with fried shrimp alongside.
     If I dont get up there and catch something soon I'll go nuts.
    post edited by retired guy - 2013/03/25 14:33:36
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 15:18:25 (permalink)
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    Sorry Andy-
    When fishing those large Rattle Snakes on the Susquehanna river near Boston I sometimes use my fly rod- gently roll casted or simply drifted into slots from above can provide positive results. Those darned bluefish just love them on some days.
    My favorite hole is located right by the Irish Deli run by some kinda troubled individual who serves great  fried gumbo on a Portugese roll with fried shrimp alongside.
    If I dont get up there and catch something soon I'll go nuts.

    HUH!......what post is this in reference to RT?
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    Re:Coming to the River on Monday, the 25th. Reports seem to indicate not too many steelies 2013/03/25 16:19:04 (permalink)
    Just trying to make Andy happy by not spot burning the top of the Town Pool using large Crawlers for bait on Steel. Tried to use some kinda parody so some wont notice.
     Shhhhh
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