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2013/01/04 14:08:50 (permalink)

Whining on the Reports Page...

If Steelhead fishing makes you that miserable and the Fishing is that bad, QUIT..  Either learn how to fish or just GIVE UP the Sport. 
 
  Its obvious there are a couple guys that not only cant catch fish, they are unable to read and follow directions..  Im guessing they put forth the same attitude on the streams, which explains their lack of success...
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    Jokerball101
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 14:39:02 (permalink)
    If it bothers you that much dont read the reports page problem solved. In addition you seem to have a double negative in your sentence. 
     
    Hope this helpa
     
    "Its obvious there are a couple guys that not only cant catch fish, they are unable to read and follow directions.. "
     
     Dlck of the day report
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 14:41:36 (permalink)
    Either that or the fact that there are only half the fish returning to the streams as there was in 2000-2007.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 14:42:51 (permalink)
    It is for REPORTS, makes it difficult for people that want to use that page as a tool for their trip..  I guess that is to difficult for you to understand.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 14:52:53 (permalink)
    "Either that or the fact that there are only half the fish returning to the streams as there was in 2000-2007. "
     
    Which even if true, STILL leaves enough fish that a drunken Baboon could catch one.

    Get Informed, Get Involved, And Make A Difference.

    Step Up, or Step Aside


    The next time you say "Somebody should do something", remember that YOU are somebody.

    GL
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 15:08:43 (permalink)
    True, but they cheat and jump in after them.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 15:20:25 (permalink)
    I like turtles.  

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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 16:19:56 (permalink)
    Molson
    It is for REPORTS, makes it difficult for people that want to use that page as a tool for their trip..  I guess that is to difficult for you to understand.

     
    Trust me, the REPORTS page should never be used as a tool for your trip!   People of all skill levels post in there, so you don't know what to believe unless you actually know the person who is reporting.   Even true reports from a reputable poster may be completely irrelevant a day or two later since conditions and stream levels are always changing.
     
    The Walnut and Brandy Run flow gauges, Uncle John's web cam, and multiple weather reports are the only tools you should be using to plan a trip.
     
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 17:12:25 (permalink)
    Its difficult for even those who run it to understand obviously...The reports page is a total JOKE....but I agree, if you don't like whats written, don't read it.  I haven't read one of those jokes in at least 2 years!
     

      
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 18:08:05 (permalink)
    I'm guessing the sarcasm about using the reports page as a tool was missed..
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 19:23:00 (permalink)
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    Either that or the fact that there are only half the fish returning to the streams as there was in 2000-2007.


    How do you truly know runs are smaller? as I saw majority of fisherman keep their limit of 3 fish everytime I went out. Not only that I saw a run in December that was bigger than the one I saw in any other time of the fall run. There are fish still out in the streams fellas and possibly more to come in. I remember a years past in mid January after rain thaw catching more than I can count. There is an eb and flow to nature the more you try to understand and predict the less you really do.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/04 22:02:28 (permalink)
    6lb stellie

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    Either that or the fact that there are only half the fish returning to the streams as there was in 2000-2007.


    How do you truly know runs are smaller? as I saw majority of fisherman keep their limit of 3 fish everytime I went out. Not only that I saw a run in December that was bigger than the one I saw in any other time of the fall run. There are fish still out in the streams fellas and possibly more to come in. I remember a years past in mid January after rain thaw catching more than I can count. There is an eb and flow to nature the more you try to understand and predict the less you really do.


    Quite simple---I have been fishing the tribs for about 14 years 30-40 times a year and have observed it, plus I have read the reports from the New York and PA  fish commissions who state it and have taken surveys on an ongoing basis which show it and they have come up with  possible reasons for the reduction and are still researching the best way to address the problem. The fact that a fisherman with some knowledge can still have a decent day doesn't change the fact that the average number of returning fish the last 4-5 years is down considerably from the beginning of 2000.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 04:32:51 (permalink)
    "Over the last few years steelhead runs have been down in the world famous 'steelhead alley' region of Lake Erie (which includes the Lake Erie tributaries of Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York). After record high catch rates in the mid-2000s, when angler creel surveys by the Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission (PF&BC) and the New York Department of Environmental Conservation (NYDEC) showed incredible catch rates of .63-.65 steelhead per angler hour on the tributaries, steelheaders have been 'hooking-up' with less steelhead and wanting to know what is going on." - http://www.flyfisherman.com/2010/08/19/steelhead-alley-fall-forecast/#ixzz2H5lJQncm
    post edited by fishink - 2013/01/05 04:37:13

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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 04:43:45 (permalink)
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    Either that or the fact that there are only half the fish returning to the streams as there was in 2000-2007.


    How do you truly know runs are smaller? as I saw majority of fisherman keep their limit of 3 fish everytime I went out. Not only that I saw a run in December that was bigger than the one I saw in any other time of the fall run. There are fish still out in the streams fellas and possibly more to come in. I remember a years past in mid January after rain thaw catching more than I can count. There is an eb and flow to nature the more you try to understand and predict the less you really do.


    Quite simple---I have been fishing the tribs for about 14 years 30-40 times a year and have observed it, plus I have read the reports from the New York and PA  fish commissions who state it and have taken surveys on an ongoing basis which show it and they have come up with  possible reasons for the reduction and are still researching the best way to address the problem. The fact that a fisherman with some knowledge can still have a decent day doesn't change the fact that the average number of returning fish the last 4-5 years is down considerably from the beginning of 2000.

     
    + 1.
     
    Just go back and read the archived reports. A 7 fish day in 2003 was a terrible day.  This past year it was the trip of a lifetime. lol.   
     
     
     
     
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 05:54:05 (permalink)
    Uhhh. Where is this reports page you are talking about?
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 09:20:05 (permalink)
    I just want to correct the statement that the original post did not contain a double negative.  Now back to fish talk!!!
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 09:35:06 (permalink)
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    "Over the last few years steelhead runs have been down in the world famous 'steelhead alley' region of Lake Erie (which includes the Lake Erie tributaries of Ohio, Pennsylvania and New York). After record high catch rates in the mid-2000s, when angler creel surveys by the Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission (PF&BC) and the New York Department of Environmental Conservation (NYDEC) showed incredible catch rates of .63-.65 steelhead per angler hour on the tributaries, steelheaders have been 'hooking-up' with less steelhead and wanting to know what is going on." - http://www.flyfisherman.com/2010/08/19/steelhead-alley-fall-forecast/#ixzz2H5lJQncm

    Sorry I guess I dont really realize its been that tough for some individuals. There is a reason they say 10% of fisherman catch 90% of the fish and will always apply. Are the runs as plentiful I cant say but they arent all at once as they used to be years ago. I too have the luxury of being a local have fished these streams for 20 years, arent afraid to take alittle walk in search of them and I dont fish when its low and clear and complain I dont catch anything or see anything. I do pretty well for myself I believe everytime out and well above the normal catch rate for steelhead per hour. And know very many who are above me in that area.
     
    Not trying to start argument just a discussion as I am curious as they can put an accurate number on all the fish entering and leaving on stringers all the streams. And please dont tell me that always counting Avonia,Trout run numbers give accurate numbers. Ive seen Godfrey loaded and only a few at Trout run at times. Also I witnessed a small mile stream this year with over 200 fish in a hole higher up early on that wouldnt think that many fish run it altoghether.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 10:33:50 (permalink)
    I have been on this site for many years and just sit back and take it all in, but today I decided to add my two cents.   I have been fishing the lake and its streams since 1979 and have had a camp there for 25 years.  If there has been one group that has added more confrontation on the streams and forum boards, it is the hollier that thou purists!  Your attitudes toward others is part of the problem.  Ive bait fished for steel and now I fly fish only.  Does that make me a better fisherman.  Hell No!!!  Does that make me better than the guy im standing alongside who is casting egg sacks????  Hell no!!!  The fish commision has rules in place to let everyone enjoy this great sport and if they want to take some home, oh well, good for them and their families.  Plenty of fish to go around and if it becomes a problem for you, maybe take a drive into the mountains and show off your purist skills to the "native fish"  that we are so lucky to have.  One last thing............  Slapping a bobber around aka  "strike indicator"  does not make you a flyfishing god!!!!!   I call you guys, bobber slappers!!!!!!!    I guess the art of nymphing has gone down the tubes!!!   Even a caveman can do it!!   LOL
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 11:21:56 (permalink)
    cbeagler

    Uhhh. Where is this reports page you are talking about?

     
    http://fisherie.com/ReportDisplayNew.aspx
     
    It can be useful when combined with stream gauges and weather forecasts, especially for folks who are further away and trying to get make a decision on whether or not to make the trip.
     
    Of course many reports need to be taken with several (hundred?) grains of salt.

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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 18:11:11 (permalink)
    He was talking about the archived pages....not the current reports.  

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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 19:26:06 (permalink)
    Archived reports. I remember one where I believe it was Spoonchucker telling Nate, 200 fish is not a run.  It is now. Maybe it's just the east side.  There were many days this year where nobody fished 12 mile at all. Except maybe in the tunnel.  Do any of you locals ever remember that in 2000-2004, in November?  
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 19:54:47 (permalink)
    I remember several folks claiming 100 fish days on the bigger creeks during that time frame and thinking while it was certainly possible it wouldn't be much fun.  I've stopped by 12 mile 7-8 times this season and fished it once.  Lots of times in the past there would be 15-20 fishermen on 12 mile fishing over several hundred steelhead in Dec if the water was open.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/05 20:19:03 (permalink)
    Maybe the steelhead get a taste of Erie and never want to return.
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/06 14:08:23 (permalink)
    You can tell when the fishing sucks .........people spend more time posting and reading than fishing !
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/06 14:37:24 (permalink)
    Aint seen anyone on the webcam for a week....WF
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/06 14:49:55 (permalink)
    Jerry ..... You missed it I was there twice . You won't catch me there anytime soon though . It isn't worth the 1 minute walk : ) 
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/06 15:50:40 (permalink)
       LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/06 15:57:23 (permalink)
    I dont get up that early in the morning D.C........WF
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    Re:Whining on the Reports Page... 2013/01/06 23:20:08 (permalink)
    FiveMilePete

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    Either that or the fact that there are only half the fish returning to the streams as there was in 2000-2007.


    How do you truly know runs are smaller? as I saw majority of fisherman keep their limit of 3 fish everytime I went out. Not only that I saw a run in December that was bigger than the one I saw in any other time of the fall run. There are fish still out in the streams fellas and possibly more to come in. I remember a years past in mid January after rain thaw catching more than I can count. There is an eb and flow to nature the more you try to understand and predict the less you really do.


    Quite simple---I have been fishing the tribs for about 14 years 30-40 times a year and have observed it, plus I have read the reports from the New York and PA  fish commissions who state it and have taken surveys on an ongoing basis which show it and they have come up with  possible reasons for the reduction and are still researching the best way to address the problem. The fact that a fisherman with some knowledge can still have a decent day doesn't change the fact that the average number of returning fish the last 4-5 years is down considerably from the beginning of 2000.


    + 1.

    Just go back and read the archived reports. A 7 fish day in 2003 was a terrible day.  This past year it was the trip of a lifetime. lol.   



     
    Yep. That about covers it. Nothing like a history of real time on the water to say, "Yep, the runs have been down."
     
    And I did see a coho this year. The runs are definitely down on those. 
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