WHY

only ourselves know the answers..
 
Please,
Shake the hand of a stranger . Give friends and family a hug..
 
Sad day.....
 
 
 
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Very sad, why do they always have to involve innocent people. Go out into the woods and do your "own" thing.........

    A sad day indeed -cant imagine whats in the minds of some people--to go to that kind  of place and do those kind of things is  insane.
    Nuts with guns are gonna cost every one of us who hunts or shoots -afterwards there will still be nuts with guns. But its eventually gonna be that way- IMHO.
 

hey , any looking forward to ice fishing season! Everybody ready? I'll be posting on  the ice fishing forum!

Well its been a bit and I feel more comphy in letting go on the subject- I live in Ct and our papers cover this nasty disgusting incident daily in several pages. Being liberal Ct this coverage is generally anti gun stuff.
 As I see it a Mother who was reportedly a 'survivalist' gathered many firearms including the ones her son did his deplorable deed with. She taught her kids to shoot and when she was considering having one sent to an institution because of his -issues- she neglected to lock up the guns. He killed her first.
 The antis were demonstrating in front of the White House in the first hours of reporting and the NRA kept silent for several days' out of respect'. No one seemed to notice the Chinese guy who stabbed 22 kids in a Chinese school last week - that doesnt fit the anti gun agenda.
   Nra came out with their 'cop in every school in America thing and the antis went nuts--so did I. Ya gotta remember being a Cop is a job with vacations -training time and sick time and a regular work week--for a City with 13 schools I figure we would need bout 20 to 25  new cops to accomplish this-a solid one Mil plus tax increase. Remember most schools have evening activities in addition to the day thing.=two shifts per school. Multiply that across the country on a knee jerk reaction.
   One DC representative from Ct said something in the paper about- Nra saying the dumbest thing he had EVER heard ( this from a DC rep) just what we need he said- more guns in the schools. He is clearly so Anti he cant see the diff between a Cop and a crook. He will be voting on any new Fedeeral regulations in the Senate.-
   Then the Pres put the well known anti gun Vice- Pres in charge of his comittee to look into probable Federal actions. No wonder Guns and Ammo are flying off the shelves.
   Bottom line- folks with agendas are using this horrific incident to pursue their objectives with little true regard for the incident itself. It showed with their immediate responses with only lip service to those who needed silence for a while while they grieve.
  BTW- Cant wait for fat people to start blaming their spoons. ( me included)
  Sorry bout the rant but I'm gonna puke----

Couldn't agree more,  Jack. I wish moderate voices like yours would be heard. Too logical to have political  shock value.
  My continued prayers for the families that won't see their child's face light up on Christmas morning.  Have a wonderful trip west, Jack. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
 
Charlie

   Agree with ya Jack- Not many hunt more than myself and all I have used for years is single shot guns- just a personal preference.
  Good move with the shotgun too. Used to tell folks -on the job- the same thing. Rack that pump and most bad guys will hit the road -lol.
   No one can tell me that a 15/30 shot clip is needed for Hunting or target shooting. Might try but this old man aint buyin into it. 
    NRA woulda done itself well to read the Tea leaves and bend a bit there, now they look silly.
   The  'assault gun' law is a sure thing and likely far expanded from the last one IMHO. Only 'issue' is that the stats showed it did no good whatsoever the last time- just a knee jerk. Wont make a diff though -the antis will jump on anything.
   IMHO the real federal 'biggie' will be the tax increases on ammo, guns of all kinds  and other fees and paperwork. 
    All those nutcases and drug dealers are sure to comply.
 Hey- food for thought- Somebody suggested  each school find one employee with a military background and/or   willing to go through  Police handgun  training and the state permit process too-
  When that other idiot shot up the movie theater showing the Batman show he picked about the ONLY theater in town that had a 'no guns allowed' sign posted.   These guys arent THAT stupid- they pick places they know will be SAFE for them.

Jack, thanks for the heads up on Ohio. Nancy and I usually take a vacation at the beginning of April and we've been going out to Calif. at that time  for the past 5 years or so. Decided not to this year- plane fare etc. is getting a bit much.
I was thinking this morning about a Pa.  venture in the spring to see new waters. We'll see what that RJ fellow is up to then. Ice'll be gone....  I remember sitting on some rocks in the middle of the river and you telling me how smart your Granddaughter is. As much as you love fishing, that's dwarfed by what I heard in your voice. Enjoy your time with her.

RG-It's clear that these Reps aren't familiar with the laws and that many of the AR platform rifles are built in CT.  My favorite CT store, other than Cabela's, is Hoffman's. 
I don't think you can have a serious discussion about the 2nd Amendment without taking a hard look at the 1st.  Violent video games have played a significant role in conditioning our kids toward aberrant behavior.  Take them fishing.  Teach them catch and release and perhaps they will come away with a greater respect for life.      

Andrew,
Thank You for expressing your thought and empathy..This thread was not about weapons or illness..
It's about what we as adults are doing in this society.. Yes Adults..
We are the teachers of our children..
 
In my time of growing I learned what is right and wrong.. No laws ever made can replace what I always knew..
Sure I chose some very wrong paths at times but instilled in me I ALWAYS knew that harming another human being was wrong..
We again as adults with children bring these small wonders into this world, and it seems more then ever it's becoming a very harsh place..
It is up to each and everyone to try and make this a better place then it has been for our youth..
Teach them the good things this place has to offer, teach them how to cope with struggles and teach them how to coexist with fellow man and nature.. The saying Love and compassion holds true..
If we all take time out of our everyday lives to just shake a strangers hand, say hello to a neighbor and share our virtues,wisdom and faults with the youth of today then maybe we stand a chance at success.
This and many tragedy like come from our (adults) failures..
Very Sorry to bring this topic to such disarray and will not comment any further..
 
Peace & Tuna
 
P.S.
Charlie, I don't think the french will be making cement in Ravena much longer. My trips will become much shorter and the quarry will be more a means of survival then sport..
 
 

Wonderful pic, Andrew.  Have a blessed Christmas with your family. You're right, Clint. Respecting your parents, elders and authority goes a long way towards creating stability and peace. It's an integral  part of every major religion.
In this season, that should count for something. 
 
 
RJ, I've no problem helping you fill a pail, bro. , long as  a few flop towards my frying pan.   PM sent.  My stuff's ready to go.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Pa that was about 10 minutes from my house.
I've been at work all day so just had a few minutes during lunch to see the news.
Didn't hear the gunman was dead.
The local news seems to be being much more carefull with giving info than the "news" chnnels.
No word on the weapon.
The trauma center spokesperson said the bullet they dug out of one of the injured was to deformed for them to say what it might have come from.
Could have been a 22 but I doubt it since both injured were shot in the chest so it would appear he was just shooting at center mass and killed 2.
 

Latest news conference says there was a brief firefight and he shot himself in the head.
He served time for killing his grandmother so as a felon could not legally posses a firearm.
As they say criminals don't follow the law.
They haven't been able to locate his sister who lives in one of the homes that burned. 

Tough one thee Jack.
I would have a hard time dealing if I found out I ha put an innocent person to death so while I believe in the death penalty due process has to be followed to a certainty.
18 years for killing granny.
I thought I heard them say it was max for whatever he was convicted.
Might have been a few red flags showing on this guy.