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Veteran's day
    Thanks to those who paid the ultimate price for our freedom and to all those that put themselves in harm's way, that we may continue to be free. Some observations: !. The river was crowded 2. 3fan is as good a rower as he is a good guy. 3. Sometimes crowds can be ignored if the friends your with are of good quality and you catch the occasional fish. 4. Many productive patterns this weekend, nymphs and yellow eggs leading the list. Type of water and presentation probably more key. 5. I lost many fish from tightening up way too soon to control the fish because of the crowds. 6. The river was crowded. I had a good time, but will have to re-evaluate what I want out of fishing the SR. We'll see what the winter brings. I enjoyed the company of friends, not so much the other people. Thanks to HT, Lance , John, 3fan, and Pafisher for making it decent. Jack, I wish i could have fished with you longer- do well up there this week. If I can walk in this winter and work my azz off in an empty section for a few fish I'll be happy. If you can make a mid- week day, it might help a little. Charlie
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/12 19:21:12
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Thanks for the post. Looks like you did well regardless of the crowds.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/12 19:30:45
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Great Pics Charlie I agree with #3 but I think we would have had a great time even if the fish didnt hit. Hope we can fish again and next time Ill bring the heater, and tell Nancy to get her license, love to see her get one!
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/12 19:32:24
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Looks like you did OK. Will hit it tomorrow or the next, probably about where you are standing among other places
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/13 07:36:36
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Charlie.... quite impressive!!! I too have been questioning "what it is i want from the river" for about six or so years now... to me lately, its all about how, when, and where... tight lines brother and hope to see you on a high snow bank in a few months!
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/13 09:32:13
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The single most important thing I always try and remember when seeing crowds and start to get a bit disappointed is that THEY are doing basically the same thing as me for the same reasons.
To them I am another guy in the crowd.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/13 11:57:32
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John, I'll get Nanc a license, she has reeled in stripers and small trout and bass, she'd enjoy it. Believe me, I'll stay in touch.  Had snow on the ground here this morning, Dime. I'll keep in shape to break trail, it's worth it to me. It's all about individual's choice, RG. I could have found some less crowded places, even with the numbers of people. I chose to fish around friends. Soon, they'll be off doing other things and I'll still be fishing. Then, I'll choose where and what I want to do. John rowed us through some open spots even with the full parking lots. They'll be more soon.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/13 17:01:35
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Looks like you had one heck of a weekend nice post
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/13 19:03:39
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Hey Charlie- I always seem to find open water even in Shark season- might not always be prime real estate but as you say there are always open places when ya look- lol- winter increases the chances of finding them in Prime spots, hopefully without the breaking trail thingie. Nice to see you boat guys having great times looked like some great trips. Have an open invite on a guide friends boat and havent been able to hook up with all the BS goin on here in Ct- SOON.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 03:02:56
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 i feel ya on this one brother. spots that i fished during salmon because for salmon season weren't as crowded were almost (i repeat almost) as crowded last week. Still plenty of water to fish, and as it worked out my first choice was open, but until now i have seen few steelheaders there. freaky for an introverted hermit like me. you look to winter,my arthritic bones not so much. i guess i have to hope i can get my fill,doubtful, during the short window between the heavy shark crowds and the arrival of the steel horde. trouble is that if there are trout present i have to see the salmon 'fisherme ' snag um and drag um. maybe a steel tag. once you have punched it you are done for the day. no more i am fishing for salmon or browns, you make the decision to keep it and are done for the day. or you release and continue. you could still rope 3 salmon and fish for steel, two if you are going to keep a chromer. wouldn't effect the liners and snaggers that are in it for the"sport" but it might give people a chance to keep a fish if they want and still help mlimit the crowd. maybe$10 a card, if you don't want to keep a dimebrite :) you don't have to purchase but if caught with one and no card punched $500 fine. what do you guys think.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 07:17:01
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They dion't have to bother with all that rigamarole. Just change the regulation so that once you have retained a limit of fish, you are done for the day. About half the guys in the barrel on Sunday PM had their limit (one steelhead on a rope, even one rope with two), but were still yanking away. Change the general regulation so that either you let the fish go or you get off the river. And make it a 1 trout limit. Make it one trout you are done, wether there are still salmon around, on, say, October 15. I would also say allow people to keep 5 salmon early, but I am not seeing piles of dead fish around like past years, so the crowds thinned them out pretty good at 3 per day. All that west coast punch card stuff would require additional EnCOn presence, and I have not seen a uniform all season.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 07:37:13
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yep the one on a rope and done would make the whole thing easier
but then i guess you'd have the guys like at the section between the barrel and unemployment hole sunday who netted it laid it on the bank and fished for hours, caught a bigger one and then "released" the one that was all but dead from being in a mud puddle for a few hours
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 08:18:01
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Understand chuckin and duckin and intentional lining for Sharks- used to do it - dont anymore and dont approve- but understand it.
The biggest issue I see with larger Steel crowds is that many are still fishing those poor methods- have even seen it in Summer in UFZ.
If there was ever a time to 'just fish' this is it and far too may just dont get it.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 09:49:35
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a float is a wonderful thing to watch
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 15:40:17
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Lucky13
They dion't have to bother with all that rigamarole. Just change the regulation so that once you have retained a limit of fish, you are done for the day. About half the guys in the barrel on Sunday PM had their limit (one steelhead on a rope, even one rope with two), but were still yanking away. Change the general regulation so that either you let the fish go or you get off the river. And make it a 1 trout limit. Make it one trout you are done, wether there are still salmon around, on, say, October 15. I would also say allow people to keep 5 salmon early, but I am not seeing piles of dead fish around like past years, so the crowds thinned them out pretty good at 3 per day. All that west coast punch card stuff would require additional EnCOn presence, and I have not seen a uniform all season.
you're right about needing enforcement but i don't think it would take additional staff.
pretty easy and no way around it.
if you've kept a fish and no punch you're guilty plain and simple.
if you have kept a fish, punched the card and are still fishing you are guilty.
no if and or buts.just need a couple guys looking like joe average walking the river saying nice fish did you catch ity all day long.
at this point in my work life pay me $10 per hour and health insurance and i'll take the job.
maybe allow them to fish so they can blend in and watch people.
L13
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 15:42:39
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retired guy
Understand chuckin and duckin and intentional lining for Sharks- used to do it - dont anymore and dont approve- but understand it.
The biggest issue I see with larger Steel crowds is that many are still fishing those poor methods- have even seen it in Summer in UFZ.
If there was ever a time to 'just fish' this is it and far too may just dont get it.
i couldn't count the number of times i saw a little chrome or brown escape from a stringers hours after being caught only to be replaced by a larger fish. some people suck!
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 16:01:07
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I dont think the laws indicate you can just KEEP one fish -At least here in Ct they say you and only POSSESS a certain number.
Might believe Ny is similar-Even if catching and releasing you are possesing more fish if even for a short time.
Any wardens out there ???- as opposed to more of us just guessing -lol.
Personally whenever I used to have my limit--time to STOP.
I intend to keep one Steel this year- when I catch it I Stop for the day--period.
NOT even gonna get into culling- thats just bovine field splatter.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 17:48:02
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From the DEC website. Taking and Possession of Fish A person may not fish for a species (not even catch and release) during the closed season for that species on a given water. - A person may not have in possession, or intentionally kill or injure fish other than the sizes specified and allowed for that species on a given water.
- A person may not possess, kill or unnecessarily injure fish in excess of the daily limit for that species.
- The fish an angler catches and immediately releases uninjured will not be counted as part of the daily limit for that species.
- A person may continue to fish for a species while in possession of a daily limit for that species provided all fish of that species subsequently caught are immediately returned to the water. See below for special provisions made for largemouth and smallmouth bass.
- A single, uninjured largemouth bass or smallmouth bass that an angler is landing, measuring or in the process of releasing from a recirculating or aerated livewell, is not considered to be part of the daily limit.
I think it is a change to the 4th bullet that would be helpful. Of couse that will do nothing about the guy we saw taking a skipper back to his car and then returning to the river. Poachers are poachers! L13
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 18:06:39
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that is the purpose of the punch card.
when he takes that skippy to the car if the card is intact hes busted.
if he is on the river with a hole in the card hes busted.
penalty is $500 and loss of license.
thing is that the card takes away any "intent" defense.
its cut and dried.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 18:45:12
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Without increased enforcement even the best laid plans will go no where. DEC patrols are next to nil after October and people know it. The card would be a good idea. But what happens if I gut hook a fish with no card. I would say get like 3 free. Additional $10. You MUST have a card on you to fish for them in case you get on that will not make it. As soon as you catch you must sign and date the card. Caught without signed and dated card or no card at all. Lose license, big fine period, but again no enforcement it will not work
Back in the 70'S (???) you used to get 3 salmon tags for the season and they were an xtra fee. My buddy still has some. He said you were supposed to mail them in after you caught a fish like a deer tag. Problem is no one would ever mail them in today.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 20:31:33
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Hate to say it but its reality there is lots of people out there that call themselves sportsman that take extra fish and other game and believe they are in the right because they paid for a license and think that makes them entitled to do whatever they want but those are also the first to complain they didn't catch fish or didn't see deer and ask in wonder where they all went its not like it used to be. Just my little ramble.
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Re:Veteran's day
2012/11/14 20:46:20
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In Nova Scotia years past they gave an annual limit of Atlantic Salmon- as I recall it was 10 fish. When ya bought your license you got 10 little tags one to be placed on each fish. No tag on the fish or in your possession while fishing for them --poacher. I do not recall what if any daily limit there was- or frankly with an annual limit what difference it would have made. Since Steel are pretty much IT from mid November on that would seem an idea that would be workable for the rest of the year-cept for some Browns or Bows but then 10 TROUT tags would make no difference there. Heck a limit of 10 Trout per year beginning at any time might seem reasonable but the tag possession would be a MUST from say-Thanksgiving till Summer. If you chose to use Trout tags earlier well- thats up to you. Simple easy system. Ct has Gross possession limits and this would seem similar. Easy for DEC too = just check fish at the lot or cleaning stations. Since the Nova S. TAGS are those plastic wiring harness connectors that cant come undone without wrecking them it stops the culling thing too.
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