Any carpenters, building a closet

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2012/10/06 10:52:07 (permalink)

Any carpenters, building a closet

So nothing to do with fishing , but I git to keep my wife happy so I can go
 
My wife wants to build a closet in the upstairs bedroom  It will be  28 inches deep from the  wall out.  Problem is that where the wall would go there is nothing above to  anchor it to, it's between 2 rafters. Nothing on the side walls either, between two studs I have thought of 2 ways around this short of tearing the ceiling/ wall down and adding the support .   Secure a piece of plywood to the ceiling from the back wall to where the wall will end.  It will catch 2 rafters with an 8 inch overhang from the last rafter.  Then attach my top plate to the plywood and secure to floor.   She can just paint the plywood white, it's the inside of a closet, or we could install drywall over the plywood.   Next is the same idea but use 1x4's   attached to the ceiling  catching the 2 rafters and put drywall on the 1x4's .   Would either work??????   The wall will support a sliding closet door.   Which would be stronger I am guessing the plywood right????
 
PS I am not a good carpenter so any help  is good
post edited by Clint S - 2012/10/06 12:08:12

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    troutbum21
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 12:03:06 (permalink)
    Send a PM to Fichy.  I believe he is a carpenter.
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 12:08:58 (permalink)
    Hoping Charlie will reply as well.

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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 12:29:04 (permalink)
    Hollow sliders?   If solid doors the plywood would work well. If hollow, and assuming the span of the door opening is less than 4' you could just use moly-screws (the screws that have expansion wings to go behind the drywall) . I'll assume plumb would be maintained with a return wall and the load from the doors isn't much in that a span, especially on a header of any kind.  Personally , I'd mark out  the ceiling to cut a few nailers in between the joists. Put in 2x4's laid flat on the level of the back of the drywall, toenailed in with screws (predrilling the angles makes it easy). I usually put in screw  part way  in , in the middle of the board,  to make it easy to adjust and hold on to when your putting them in.  If you cut the rock with a cow tongue saw or a sawzall carefully you can just put the cut out's back up, put in your plate  and tape them when you're finishing off the rest.   Nailers every 2' would suffice.   Hope that helps more than my lame azz fishing tips.
     
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 12:53:25 (permalink)
    Thanks Charlie. We will be using a hollow sliding door.   Thought about the molleys.   As lazy as I am and  even though I think they would work fine,  I wouldn't want a dog or a kid (maybe someday) crashing into the wall and it shifting.    I am fighting on this on doing it easy or doing it right.  The "right way"  would be to cut the drywall out and add the nailers on the ceiling and the walls.  For my limited carpentry skills I think the plywood with the dry wall over the top would be easier as I would not have cut the walls and ceiling for a nailer every 2 feet. I vlue your opinion and if you think the plywood will work I will probably go that way.
     
    Thanks Clint   

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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 13:25:26 (permalink)
    Plywood is fine. 7/16 OSB (cheap sheathing) with 3/8's drywall over it is probably 10-15 bucks cheaper than buying paint grade ply-1/2" BC.
    The ply will save you some time, just use 1/4 round if you want to nicely finish off the inside  corner. or the ceiling. If you go for just  the ply, just countersink and vinyl spackle the holes and it will look good.
    Or, do what my friends seem to do (Not you HT) , invite a carpenter  friend  over and suck  them into doing it for you. After awhile, they get smart to the invitations, so you gotta find one that isn't used up yet.  Hope this project  buys you some good river time. 
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 17:37:27 (permalink)
    Clint you mention the depth but not the overall dimensions.  What's above the closet space, attic?  Regardless of which way you proceed think resale?  Poorly done/constructed work will stick out like a sore thumb.      
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 18:43:02 (permalink)
    Closed off attic space with no access.   Overall will be 28 depth and 8 feet width 8 foot ceilings.     whatever way I plan to do it It will be finished to standards consistent with the rest of the house. Don't plan on selling , but you never know.   That's the biggest reason I asked and was hoping Charlie would reply (thanks again Charlie).    I wanted to do it in a way that would look good, but not fall down if bumped into.   With the OSB covered in sheet rock it will have a finished look be structurally sound.

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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 21:32:20 (permalink)
    clint ,  about 750 to about a grand  labor and materials.. frame trim sheet rock spackle to finish. and standard  pole hanger shelve rack sets vary in price.. custom wood is usually less expensive for those dimensions. It is typical glider track closet doors.Figure about three  to four 1/2 day labor sessions , I would suggest hire local with gas soaring prices, gl
    post edited by simpleknots - 2012/10/06 21:43:21
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 21:36:53 (permalink)
    question, what us everybody's favorite tippet and why?  I posted this on the fly tackle forum. tia..sk
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/06 22:10:09 (permalink)
    John, my wife checked into it and your #'s are sounding bout right.  For that price we are going to do it ourselves.   I have the basic skills, but lack the experience.  I knew the "correct" answer before Charlie told me.   We are in somewhat of a remodel for that room as it was never finished from our build so there will  a  bunch of work.  Right now it is just 3/4 of the way finished sheetrock (just needs final skim and sand). New floor, molding  and a closet are on the way.   I would rather spend a few rainy days working on it and spend the $$$$ on gear or materials.
     
    BTW I like Drennen and Froghair for my tippets. 

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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/07 16:17:05 (permalink)
    Yes Clint, I done a few and jjust be sure you are square and plum level to the existing wall,, sometimes walls existing walls can throw you off,, the materials should run about 200 to 300 bills.. when taping and spackling i like three coats to finish..use the green 5 gal not that 123 blue bubbling shrink crap. Try to match your existing closets and trim. lol.. need to ask, i maybe able to help you here.. Thanks for the tippet tip, but are  those two you like fluorocarbon, copolymer or regular mono?  Been reading a bit but still not enough convinced about the pros and cons between the materials.. also what is preferef during winter months etc.
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/07 18:19:35 (permalink)
    They are flouro.   Some like it some don't.  Here is my take on it and take it with a grain of salt  because it is not based on much more than  couple years for steelhead fishing and some reading.   
    1: Flouro is inert and takes FOREVER to break down so be careful don't leave it lying around  (not that we should leave anything lying around).   That is enough for alot not to use it.
    2:  Flouro sinks faster it is more dense also meaning it does not stretch and can be stiffer especially in the cold.
    3:  Flouro is more abrasion resistant, and often out performs mono of the same test.   and I think holds knot strength better.
    4: Different brands perform differently especially in cold weather.  Hot Tuna had really bad luck with Seaguar flouro in the cold but good luck with Froghair.
    5:  It is less visable and in many cases thinner than mono of the same test.
    Not based on testing and only a  limited amount of river time.  Some of the above may even be wrong,    take it FWIW.

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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/08 20:29:18 (permalink)
    fair enough, Clint, I figure all the tippet material sold in the local stores are there because they work for the most part. I guess some vary in that they CAN offer some advantage during specific factors on the water.IBut I will lean towards the fluorocarbon for the line shy trout. gl up there
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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/08 20:46:27 (permalink)
    Not really..
    LOTS sell a product because thats the vendor discount bulk price..
    While some things work well others are just geared toward 'here is what we stock"
     
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    Tried one and from then on out those 3 days it was Jack & Coke.. Congas never sounded better..

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    Re:Any carpenters, building a closet 2012/10/09 09:31:19 (permalink)
    Rich,  that too is very possible especially these days! I'm pretty much finished with a few my tippet spools.. going to try that expensive floro carbon Clint suggested . That is if and when i decide to wade out this fall.  I would like to see you play guitar , any vids? peace , keep on rockin in the free world, catch them fish! 
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