Questions again.

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2012/10/04 23:11:43 (permalink)

Questions again.

Two things. How is the Salmon Heaven Lodge? Also, i went to buy some gear today and the guy at the store told me not to use a leader. Said, it was a waste as long as you just spooled the reel with all fluorocarbon line. I know on hear have told me to use a leader and that is how i am currently set up. Im not doubting the knowledge on here, just curious about the logic to using leader if you could go without a swivel and leader? Wouldnt that just be cutting out a couple steps? Please enlighten me.
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    Clint S
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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/04 23:55:33 (permalink)
    Mainly because leader material is different than main line.   While both are strong and will withstand the lb test listed, leader is stronger over shorter lengths and are not designed to be a long, main line product. The main lines are designed to take the impact load over a much longer distance, transferred throughout the line and pole.   Generally  leader is thinner  and stiffer compared to the same lb flouro (not always).     It helps with line shy fish.   I think knot strength is better with leader material too.
     
     You can also step  down in line lb  size with your leader so as not to spook them.  Also some guys taper leaders like in fly fishing as the taper distributes the line stress and lets you fish with smaller lb on the end for line shy fish. 
     
    You can use the flouro as it probably won't matter that  much with the sharks it eliminates the swivel and   really there is no need for the break in the line except in the DSR where it is a rule.  Back a few years ago you needed a swivel to be legal.  
    For Steel I would spend the money on leader material though.
    post edited by Clint S - 2012/10/05 00:07:04

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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 00:46:51 (permalink)
    i just spool with mono and add a florom leader.
    first reason is simply cost.
    high quaility mono is usually much cheaper than quality floro.
    since the line on your spool will probably never touch the water other than when fighting a fish there is no reason to spendf the xtra money .
    it also has more stretch than floro so is more forgiving when fighting a fish.
     
    another reason is the break. it is importent because it is the place you will break off most of the time when snagged on the bottom.
    this leaves less line in the river and washed on the banks.
    also if you use a colored mono you can follow your drift better which lets you know exactly what your lure or bait is doing and where.
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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 07:48:23 (permalink)
    I broke my fly line so i had to spool with mono. went with 12lb. cortand camo. In the fast water of the am i didn't use a leader and was very successful. As the day went on i tied on a swivel and went to 10 than 8 pound fluoro leader. I agree to with the fact that if you have to break one off you dont lose your main line in the river, just to the swivel .
     
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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 11:44:13 (permalink)
    Exactly what 2bob said . You don't need to use fluro. A quality mono leader
    Material is cheaper then fluro and thinner compared to straight mono.

    Fluro is inert. Which is a bad thing

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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 12:17:29 (permalink)
    fluoro's have some QC issues too
    many of them are brittle
    also its not a great idea to use them on a spinning reel, if they loop then kink they loose alot of their strength
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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 15:04:31 (permalink)
    I'd spool with mono, way better for the money, much better for fighting fish. Fluoro for leaders. I'm going to stay at Salmon Heaven this winter for sure. Pafisher stays there and likes it. I looked at the main room and his room and they were clean and comftorable. Had edible stuff out for breakfast and snacks. Coffee all the time!  My wife will love  it.  I can walk to the barrel and Schoolhouse and the Wire, or right out the back door to the Church Pool.  Owners seem like good people and the guests   were friendly and seemed pretty happy.  It's a big step up from Brenda's- but not much  in price.  I'm guessing, since they're smaller, reservations might be required .
     
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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 16:46:52 (permalink)
    Thank you all again for the quick responses. I have the 12# XT line on my spool right now. I also have swivels and 8# flouro leader in the box. Being that i will most likely be going for kings next week should i put the leader on or is it not worth it? Im taking it from the responses, that the kings right now are a different type of fishing compared to the hos and steel.
    I did make a reservation and am going up mon through wed or thurs, depends on the fishing.
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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 17:23:28 (permalink)
    dt, I'd get a  small spool of 10 lb. Drennan  or similar fluoro to run as a leader off a  small swivel. One, the water's low and clear and visibility of the line  is a factor, and two, fluoro is abrasion resistant and will stand up better to getting dragged over the rocks and standing up to shark teeth. I'd guess 10 would do it, maybe the other guys will jump in and correct me if I'm wrong. I hope you go home Wed. night with your arm in a sling. lol.   This run will just plain wear you out!!!!!  Enjoy yourself. 
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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/05 17:26:08 (permalink)
    I would start with 8# leader..  If you get lots of break off or fishing around a crowd then make the change.. Basically let the fishing dictate..
    On that note, if catching, landing fish with 8 is no problem then UP to the 12# still using the swivel > leader.. (edit)  Charlie is right, 10 would be an all around if you go to  fluro..
    My fly rig was 12# tippet at all times 9 days ago.. It was obvious the fish were line shy .. I was trying for aggressors so it didn't deter me to see fish move away.. I didn't use a swivel on my fly rig, you should on any spinning rig.. I will soon..
    If I were fishing now, I'd be dropped down to 8.5#  (3x) frog hair mono tippet.. Will hold kings and fool trout..
     
    In winter I will use (3x or 4x ) frog hair fluro as that brand reacts different in temps, fluro is way better cold then their mono.. Screw Seguar, all bad experiences from my end on that stuff..
    About 2 #7 sinkers (1/8th oz) should be all you would need anywhere on the river in these conditions.. Most times less.. An assortment of 7,3/0 & bb will suite all needs.. 
     
    As for the lodge and fishing, Please report back..
    I stayed there when it first opened and Tom owned it.. Not since, still looks the same and my experience then was good .. Same was said by Pa.. The owner was very friendly and welcomed us strangers..
     
    Good luck..
     
    post edited by hot tuna - 2012/10/05 17:28:22

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    Re:Questions again. 2012/10/06 02:31:26 (permalink)
    I stay there and it is comfotable and clean,owners are nice people,and their dogs are friendly.Only complaint,and it's minor,is if you are on ground floor in lodge the people above you make noise that could wake you.Other than that I like it alot.
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