How far is to too far.......

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2012/09/23 12:06:25 (permalink)

How far is to too far.......

gone for collecting eggs from dead salmon.   I like to fish with eggs for steel and when I see a dead female I almost wondered about trying to harvest the eggs.  I know it's about how long it has been dead, if it's in the water and water temps.   Anyone ever do this?   I was thinking of taking some gloves a peanut butter jar and a pack shovel to bury the fish when I am done.  Just a thought?????

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    3fan
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/23 13:13:14 (permalink)
    I know there is a reg. on cleaning fish on the river bank. Last year I watched a guide cut open a dead fish take the eggs and go up stream from his clients and throw handfulls into the river, his clients were using egg patters for steel and it appeared to work. Personally not for me, easier to catch one and hold the egg shooting end over a ziplock take some loose ones and let her go deposite the rest, uaually dont need more than one ziplock for a season, still have eggs from last year.
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/23 13:34:03 (permalink)
    Fan, that what I usually do too, but my skunked streak continues.  I got one king last year and still have a few eggs left from that.

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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/23 14:11:45 (permalink)
    Be happy to grab some for ya they should start spilling very soon!
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/23 16:35:39 (permalink)
    Yes they will.  If I get hard up I may take you up,  I'd even carry the net and hold the bag.   I also take a pretty good picture, just ask Charlie and RJ.     Like with the steel, if persistence gets me points I am bound to get one by accident sooner or later
    post edited by Clint S - 2012/09/23 16:51:14

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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/24 09:13:08 (permalink)
    I read in the Reg's (last year?) about some new egg rules.
    I think 1 was no chummimg?
    I know a guide who used to chum real eggs in the upper fly zone in the wire hole.
    He also would throw handful's of egg's into the spots his clients were fishing off the boat. Dont know if he is still doing it. I guess in the dark it would be hard to tell.
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    Looooooong time ago I heard of a guide who would tie a female up to a tree over hanging the river. Always a few Buck's hanging around her.
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    Man, Im glad I dont need a fish THAT bad! :)
    post edited by YankeeAngler - 2012/09/24 09:17:20
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 07:11:38 (permalink)
    It is illegal to use trout or salmon eggs as chum.  It is in the 2011-2012 regulation guide, so it has been this way for at least 2 seasons.  http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/fish_marine_pdf/fishguide11regs.pdf
    Of course, little details like what is in the regulations guide don't matter for a lot of salmon river "anglers" 
     
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 08:52:42 (permalink)
    it is amazing to me how much carry over in attitude and action there is up on the SR from the old days....
    first, the whole idea of snagging, being from pa i honestly never even thought about snagging a fish or even considered that someone would do that intentionally and then keep the fish...it still bugs the crap out of me but i am no longer surprised when i see it
     
    next the accompanying idea that you fish for salmon with a huge pole and reel loaded with heavy line, i have customers almost every time i work at BP this time of the year coming in for rigs like this and no matter how much i try to tell them that they would get many more fish with lighter line and a noodle rod, they have been told by their buddy so and so that this is the way you do it and he would know 'cause he has been going up x# of years
     
    and the one that i guess i am a product of and take part in, the increased angler interest/ pressure due to the internet....when i started going back up regularly about 8 years ago...steelhead fishing was solitary for the most part, you might see a few guys on a good day, but now the crowds look like the october salmon crowd did back then
     
    how much is too much?....i guess its all too much, so all we can do is what we do and enjoy it for what it is....all the faults, snaggers, clowns, jerks, idiots, and the rest....because we all enjoy it, and if we didn't we don't have to go
    tight lines, enjoy :)
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 10:19:13 (permalink)
    Good  message Bear--
    To my regret I learned the SR the other way--unfortunately the most common way--
      First trip up over 30 yrs ago we all brought our Bluefish gear cause we had seen photos of huge fish and thats what ya needed- right?
      They sold us #1 hooks-20lb flouro leaders- and little rubber eggs . We went to where DSR is today  and drifted them through what I now  know to have been a huge run for  days . No luck.
      Fly guy with the big floppy hat constantly hooked up above me for 2 days finally came over and told me they dont bite and showed me how to lift. Fish on. Well thats how it gotta be done --right??
      Two of our crew  hired a river guide at a local bar after the first night and he showed them how to lift too-fish on.
      Eventually got more appropriate SR gear and got so good at  it over time that it was most  all head and outside the mouth hookups- I HAD ARRIVED> Went on that way for  a number of years too.
     Discovered fly fishing years later and began a very slow changeover process--
      Went down to the Ballpark the other day and wouldnt fish - just lurked- musta seen 50 fish on in an hour- NOT ONE HIT- they GOT HIT..
      Although many chide these Forums for helping to crowd the river we so enjoy I take the other approach. These are in fact a great hope for the fishery as so much time effort and advice is given to correct info such as your post just gave. Wish I had this kinda info early on.
      We all have lined  or foul hooked fish. It happens and with so many around sometimes it  is almost guaranteed- intent however is of great importance.
      BTW- for me Steel were always just like a river  Trout and  always fished them honestly.
      Tight lines guys- if ya havent changed yet - try it - its a hoot-and VERY rewarding.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/09/25 10:23:54
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 10:19:52 (permalink)
       Big bear well said. As long as it is a escape from everyones reality thats whats its all about. There are all those people everywhere not just on the river. So best of luck to all
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 18:13:23 (permalink)
    Not planning on Chumming just saving for egg sacs.  Just thinking why not let the one I was going to harvest for eggs go on to spawn if possible.  Well said to all posts above too

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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 19:04:50 (permalink)
    Am really goin over to the other side  here Clint- as much as I believe in and always suggest blue egg sacs on Steel I went  out yesterday and bought a load of various blue flies- good by sacs-well-- IF THE FLIES WORK.
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 19:54:40 (permalink)
    Trev, I have collected a variety of blue yarn, feathers and thread.  I am going to give blue a real try.  Pink was my hot ticket last year 

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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 21:14:19 (permalink)
    Clint- have had good luck with pink -on Hos in particular. Sometimes  gotta wonder how much diff it really makes as different guys on various forums on the same days give different patterns and colors as 'the hot  ones'.   Guess we all do best using what we have the most confidence in sometimes as we tend to stick with it.
      I'll stick with blue and pink and ocassionaly orange or black or brown or green etc etc.
      Will probably always believe in blue when the spawn starts- for steel in particular.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/09/25 21:15:53
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 21:31:10 (permalink)
    pssst....purple, but don't tell
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/25 21:37:47 (permalink)
    Checked my new fly list and actually picked up a dozen purple too- thought they 'looked' cute. Hope it wasnt a joke Bear- but it aint your fault - bought them yesterday lol.
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    Re:How far is to too far....... 2012/09/26 01:53:26 (permalink)
    purple has been the ticket for me for early steelys  browns seem to like them too
     
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