Thursday 13th

Fished mid river today, only one car in the lot at 6am. Fish were everywhere when we got to the spot and we drank are coffee and watched them for 15 minutes or so than we fished, I landed 3 beautiful kings and only saw 2 hoes go past. About 8 they stopped, stood around for an hour and nothing, went to pineville and looked around nothing, down to 2a bridge nothing than down in to pulaski, what a joke went to the ballpark had to have 150 cars in there got out and watched the so called fishing than went over to watch the staircase that section should be closed no fishing going on there just snaggers! Went back to ellis cove lot cause I just couldnt believe how empty the upper river was and walked it down to the trestle again no fish. All those fish that shot by us for an hour and half must have hit the trestle hole and hunkered down. As for flies, once again they were getting right out of the way when black or purple were swinging, white and pink flesh flies were best than I switched to a green butskunk and landed two had on 8 total put 3 on the beech. Heading up around 9 this morning got a meeting than Im out!

If its anything like I witnessed yesterday more like a blood bath.

3fan how many fish do you think you saw in the a m before it shut down?
you say you landed 3.
did you land every fish you saw?
if those fish and presumeably the same amount on a daily basis hunkered down in the tressle pool do they die from lack of o2 or d o or whatever or do they continue on upriver that night and the next morening?
seems from what you wrote that fish are getting into the upper end. am i right thinking that.
 

so you are in the upper river.
so hundreds of fish went by you.
few have died in that section of river for any reason including low d o2.
 
is this right?
i'm trying to figure out why they are not going belly up with so little d o2 in the upper river.
 

maybe i have been misreading but i thought that was what hot tuna was writing.
something about so many fish in low water sucking all the o2 or d o2 out of the river so they would all suffocate.
with continuous flow from the dam holding unused o2 d o2 i didn't get why there wouldn't be fresh d o2 replacing the water that had already flowed to the lake.
 

but in your example the elevater is stuck with a limited amount of o2.
in the river isn't fresh water coming downriver all the time?
while i don't have a p. h. d. i believe this is apples and oranges.
 
i do not disagree that there will be stress related death from fish being overplayed and that the warm water is certainly not going to help that situation.
just that in the case of the run of 2012 there are so many fish a certain percentage will make it through, as i believe is being observed by 3fan, clint and dimebrite and what i got from what you wrote was that so few fish would survive the hatchery would not be able to collect enough eggs.
if once they reach the sancuary of the rt52 bridge why would a larger than usual percentage die.
it seem that many more fish are reaching there than what i've been told occurred in 07.
 
i hope i am explaining it clearly.
 
 
ps i may be misreading again but i take you "let's see mr bob" as an insult as if you are talking to a child

i guess if all the fatties die before they get to the hatchery it means my thinking is wrong. i can deal with that.
it happened once before.
 
if the fatties make it to the hatchery and they get enough eggs it therefore would mean something completely different.

thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!!!!!!!!!!
someone finally figured out how to say what i have been trying to.

HARD!.never a disagreement on that.
still love a good burn and still listen them.
why would it be recirulationg the same warm air.
does the salmon river recirulate its water or does fresh water come downstream from the dam?
just because you set the parameters does not make them real.
you can call grass orange but that does really change its color.

Not to hijack a thread, but WTF are "fall fish?" I've asked this question in different forums and different threads and no one ever answers me. I'm not stupid. It is not a stupid question. I've never heard it before this  year and I don't live right beside the Great Lakes, so this lingo is new to me. Please take pity on me and explain.

Lucky,  I was fishing in a reservoir in Quebec a while back and I got one that a hair  under  22 inches .  It weighed 3 plus pounds.   It hit a red and whit spoon when we were trolling for pike

ok now back to o2.
hot tuna i reject your reality and insert my own,apologies to adem from mythbusters for stealing that line but i love it.
 
i believe the situation is more akin to the stairwell in a tall building.
say a 1000 people flood the lobby at once.
its 85 degrees and stuffy.
you have broken the elevator in a cruel attempt to kill some fatties that are in it.
some of those people in the lobby get tired of waiting and start up the stairs
lets say half.
all the doorways on each floor are locked but the one at the top is open so a windtunnle is created sucking air down and out the lobby door ie.the dam and the lake.
they are packed tight right on the step below the person in front of them. as they leave the lobby is much more comfortable for those left in it.w3hen they start to reach the fist landing,lets call it the meadow, they find a couple of people that ask them to dance.
fifteen accept the off and two rude people grab a some climbers and force them to dance,ie fishermen and snaggers.
this tires these people out and they stay on that landing along with a few more that are either tired or satified not to be in the lobby any longer.
now we have 475 people climbing closely packed together, 25 on the landing and 500 in the lobby.
some more enter the lobby but more also are starting upstairs.
the climbers reach the second landing, may something called lower clay floor.
again they find dancers waitng for them.
a few more this time.
50 of the climbers stay on this landing because they are tired after they are done doing the river dance.
we now have 425 climbers, 75 resting, 500 in the lobby with more straggling into the lobby and starting upstairs.
the next floor we'll call josh.
same thing happens same results.
we now have 350 climbers 175 resting and a handful of people that had bad tickers that regretfully have died from the exertion.
this goes on untilabout the 5th floor.
this floor is a little black hole.
it is jammed with a few dancers but a lot of muggers have joined them there.
a few climbers are tired from dancing and remain. more are tired from getting beaten up and stay.
some are robbed,of their lives, some are scared of the muggers and stop but a couple of hundred push their way forward.
this is repeated on the next several floors, staircase to ballpark floors.
by now we are down to 50 climbers.
 they are spread out from getting tired,escaping the muggers and dancers and they are all moving at their own pace.
it seemed at the start that the building was jammed with people when they were all confined to the lobby and the first couple floors but by the time they have reached the 10th floor it seems much less so.
while some have died along the way it was not from lack of o2 since the same amount has been coming in that top door replenishiing the supply.
until the bulk of the peole in the lobby are into the upper floors they seem quite empty and the dancers and muggers there are asking "were are all these people i heard were in the building".
call it being trapped if you want but they are still free to move and do when they have rested or the muggers are gone,ie night time.
 
ps- edit
stop complaining about wasting 10 minutes reading this novel it took 45 minutes of my life to write it.