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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 14:41:12
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Can use single eggs for steel but like PA said sacks and Skien. As far as where to get the sacks everyone has there place i.e. Fat Nancy's, Pineville, Whitakers... By the way, weight is often the term used for fly rods which might be where you are mixed up as both spinning tackle and fly rods are used. Fly fishing can be nice as you can simply roll cast at the end of the drift likely repeating the last cast plus earlier in the season you can get some reactionary strikes with streamers rather than dead drifting eggs all day on spinning tackle. You won't see people using weighted jigs, spinners, etc... due to the rules on the SR which you should become very familiar with as fines are not uncommon. Truthfully I revisit the regs at least once a year, and read this the first time I went 5 years ago: http://www.fishsalmonriver.com/riverfishing.aspx#fish. There's some other useful information like maps, etc...
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 15:14:24
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If you use your own skein, is there a way to color it so that it looks like the bought stuff? Do you use trebs for skein or single hooks? does anyone use braided line for backing, then a small barrel swivel, then like 20-30ft of mono/flouro? I read about that somewhere a while ago. I didn't know if anyone ever uses that setup?
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 16:58:34
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NO trebble hook up there. Single only.
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 18:04:45
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Oh. They must be afraid of snaggers. Wasn't thinking. There's some folks that do that for steelies in Erie. It's disgusting. If you can't fair-hook a fish, you can't call yourself a fisherman. I understand that it happens by accident from time to time, but I've seen folks with huge spinners and oversized trebs purposely snagging steel. Makes me upset.
Someone mentioned using heavier made hooks. I'm gonna look into that. Makes sense to me. I fished Ontario for kings twice from a charter. Both trips landed me spoons with straightened trebs, but no kings. Actually I did catch one king. It was a whopping 15" long though. LOL! We did very well for steelies, but no big kings. I will catch one some day. I promise myself that.
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 19:16:02
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The heavier wire hooks sold up there in all fishing stores are kinda a must for any beginner. You will find many of us with experience use thinner wire but that takes some work but then some still go back to the heavies in higher water conditions- These are big fish and they can burn a spool of line easily and high water just makes it more------fun.
As a beginner roll the dice in your own favor as much as possible and experiment later.
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 19:17:51
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Have pflueger supreme xt. it works great but is usually my spare for after i break something fly fishing. Thos jenen eggs are a good choice. Long pole is better than a short one i have a 10 browning that is medium and works great. Definantely would go with a 12 or 14 pound main line and then a barrel swivel down to 8 pound pline or seagar. That way your not busting off you main line all the time. Being an erie veteran myself I can truthfully say I had a much harder time catchinh salmon than steelies. At least the steel willbite. Take lots of swivels and hooks and shot and line. Like they said once you start to get the hang of it you will use less and less shot. go with ppl who know what the hell they are doing and talk to people beside you they will give you tips that will speed up the learning curve. You can get away with just felts on your boots if you have to but eventually you need to go to the spikes. those rocks are really that slick. I take the plastic eggs that are on a string and tie 3 or 4 into a knot once in awhile when things get slow. Have caught trout doing this, oh and the steel seem to be bigger and fight harder up north. best of lick
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 19:32:13
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what is pline and seagar? Never heard of them. I'll check out the jenen eggs. Thanks for all of the help guys. I'm beginning to realize that this is NOT steelhead fishing. This is a whole new ball game. I thought that if I could catch lots of steel without problems, I should be able to catch a king or two. Looks like I was wrong. It also looks like I did the right thing by posting here. I've got a lot to chew on, thanks to you guys. If you were here, I'd buy you a beer.
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 20:55:02
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Pline and Seaguar are brand names for floracarbon line.The Pline is a very good line and much less costly than the Seaguar.For your shopping needs go to All Seasons up there just off the 81 exit next to the dairy bar/gas station,they have anything and everything you need at very good prices.
Salmon fishing is like any other trout fishing,treat them like the wild fish they are and fish for them with a good presentation of you bait and you will be yelling "FISH ON".
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 21:08:39
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Jensen eggs sorry about the typo. get the heavier wire hooks, make sure you have a good knot or two. Alot of it is timing too. hitting fish during the week when ppl numbers are down is sweet. I have been going for several years now and have yet to hit a full fledged "run". hit the end of one last year and that was pretty good but like anything the more time you can spend the better you will do and the quicker you will learn. The guys on here are the ones that helped me the most as far as getting the correct equipment and having an idea of wht to do. One guy up there showed me a knot to use up there, another showed me how to drift with less weight, and aother showed me how not to act.lol
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/13 22:35:13
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All Seasons got my vote too- decent stuff and decent prices too- Also lots of gear already set up for the river - even line on some of the reels.
A new guy can go in there buy his license- buy his rod and reel and his eggs, hooks and polarized glasses all at a good price and good quality too. One stop - all set up.
After decades of going up there its about the only place I go now- Cept for the Pineville store on occasion. They are very comparable to All seasons and much closer to my place-- just not as much stuff - but friendly helpful folks.
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/14 17:40:07
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the girl that worked there was hot too. Pineville had a nice little set up as well. nice people at both places.
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/14 19:49:30
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i shop at most .. they are all within reason and some have what others dont.. its all there in pulaski
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/14 19:56:51
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I second Pineville and all seasons. All seasons has a large variety of flies and materials as well as a bit more gear. The guys at Pineville are great and know their stuff.
The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span the hours spent in fishing. ~Babylonian Proverb
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/14 21:21:07
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I'll have to print this thread out and take it with me! You guys really have given me a ton of useful information. Keep it coming. Please. Also, if anyone has any personal vids of fishing for salmon posted on youtube, post a link. I looked for some last night and it was mostly fly fishermen. Still fun to watch though.
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Re:Salmon Tackle Help
2012/08/20 23:26:56
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retired guy
Dont wade very deep any more and have actually gotten by with hip boots with Felt soles- wouldnt reccomend it to most but it works if you keep yourself VERY limited to specific areas in known lower waters. No chasing hooked fish wearing them either lol
In any kinda high or fast water I go right back to the chesties with cleats for safety.
Hey -tried the shiners last Fall for Steel- Steel were around me cause I could see them run up now and then and had NO luck at all -fished them several ways too. Have never seen anyone else on the SR use them in over 30 yrs on the river - now know why. Still think they shoulda worked. As soon as I put on my first blue sac in the same run BANGO --an they kept it up on the sacs too.
Would strongly recomend Blue and or orange sacs to anyone coming up to the SR as a decent all round offering. Kinda like a 6 or 8 hook even though most use a larger one. Carry a blend of the colors and carry a lot of them too.
First timers tend to use far too much weight and take a long time learning NOT to throw upstream & spend far too much time pulling them outa the rocks.
Would also suggest bringing a variety of weights in different sizes from home. They dont sell lead up there and those bright shiny thingies they DO sell scare the fish and dont have the weight of lead.
Personally its a rare day for me to use more than a couple of BB size lead wts. Kinda firmly believe that fish in mid suspension tend to bite more aggressivley than those hanging on the bottom. Just one mans way----You will find many guys using #1 hooks with muzzel ball weights and stiff rods with 25 lb test and 'fishing' much differently lol
I know the main run tends to pickup pretty decent most years in late Sept. THAT however is MOST years. Sometimes it just aint that way. If I was to suggest a time frame for ONE annual trip for multiple species in particular it would be a week or so later. Yes the weather gets more iffy and the crowds do tend to increase to Biblical proportions but the fish are most always there then too.
Good luck- its a great place---
Great Post, RG!!! L13
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