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2012/08/10 11:45:40 (permalink)

Salmon Tackle Help

Hello guys. I'm from SW PA and would like to come up and fish for kings this fall. I fish for steelies in Erie every year, but I don't think that my steelhead set up will handle a big king. So, I'm looking into buying a new rod and reel. I think that I found the rod that I want. Only I don't know wheather to get the medium action or the medium heavy. This is the rod: OKUMA CLASSIC PRO GLT SALMON SERIES CP-C-902M ROD (med) or OKUMA CLASSIC PRO GLT SALMON SERIES CP-C-902MH (medium heavy). I'll probably be fishing from shore, so any opinions on these rods will be appreciated. Also, I am a diehard Pflueger fan. So for a reel, I'd like to use a Pflueger. All I have now are Trions and Gold Medalist Pros. What model of Pflueger would be best for Salmon? I'm not even sure how heavy I should go with the line. This will be my first trip up shore fishing so any information would be appreciated. Thank you.
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    fischnmachine
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 11:54:10 (permalink)
    Just my opinion but if you are going for Salmon I might be more inclined to go with the MH especially if you aren't wading as the Salmon will take you for a long walk.  You will probably need more backbone.  I'm a Shimano guy and fish the Stradic 4000 and fish 12 lb main line and then a fluoro leader often 6-10 but again I'm wading and fight the fish plus I've sort of converted to Steelies.  Someone from shore might need to have a little heavier tackle. 
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 12:08:44 (permalink)
    First,if you are coming for Salmon do you have a place to stay?It's very late to book close to the river now.
    If you are not going to wade it will be very tough fishing.
    As far as a spin rod,longer is better,and it don't need to be heavy as you need some flex to protect your tippet.Main line 12-14# and tippet 8-10# flora would do.
    You need a reel with a good,smooth drag.Don't go cheap here as it is important to have a quality reel.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 14:04:06 (permalink)
    Yeah, I'll be wading. When I said shore fishing, I meant it as opposed to fishing on a boat in the lake. I'll have waders.
     
    So, are there any Pflueger men out there? Would a President do the job?
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 14:06:21 (permalink)
    And yes, I have a friend up there that said I could stay with him. If it weren't for that, your post would have made me sick... I never would have thought that the hotels would be all booked up already. Jeesh. Thanks for the info guys. Keep it coming. Teach me. Please. Anything to do with wading for salmon is appreciated. Tackle or technique related.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 15:37:40 (permalink)
    slabdaddy,one thing that has n't been mentioned is studded wading boots.They are a must up there,very slippery rocks and swift strong current.If your boots are not studded get the slip on studded sandels,Corkers is a well known brand.
    What are you planning to use as a lure/bait?
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 15:52:03 (permalink)
    LOL! Bait? No idea. I do best for steelies with a jig and a minnow. When do they start running? October?
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 16:00:40 (permalink)
    Not only is that bottom slippery but that river changes depths quick so be careful wading.  I've been on a ton of creeks, etc...  and there's nothing like it in my experience.  I will ask my one bud, he is also a Pfleuger faithful.  I believe he uses the Supreme but don't quote me.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 16:11:18 (permalink)
    The Salmon start running first week of Sept.,hit their peak run end of Sept.,and it's all but over by the end of October.
    Lures are Jensen eggs,different types of plastic curly things,egg sacks,estaz flies,large nympths,glo bugs,etc.What does your friend use?I have n't fished spinning tackle in 20yrs up there and fish only flies and fly tackle so my memory of what worked back then is dim,someone else is going to have to chime in.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 16:23:17 (permalink)
    pretty much skein for salmon, egg sacks and pink worms for steelies
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 16:26:34 (permalink)
    when i use spinning gear for the salmon i found out that gander mtn makes a 10 1/2 ft and a 12ft that is great i even put my fly reel on it  they are called advantage (i think) long front grip and short rear grip  I use 14lb main line and 10 or 12lb leader (Im to old to be running up and down  the river but i do land my share) I like the fast water use estez fly alot
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 17:11:32 (permalink)
    Dont wade very deep any more and have actually gotten by with hip boots with Felt soles- wouldnt reccomend it to most but it works if you keep yourself VERY limited to specific areas in known lower waters. No chasing hooked fish wearing them either  lol
        In any kinda high or fast water   I go right back to the chesties with cleats for safety.
      Hey -tried the shiners last Fall for Steel- Steel were around me cause I could see them run up now and then and had NO luck at all -fished them several ways too. Have never seen anyone else on the SR use them in over 30 yrs on the river - now  know why. Still think they shoulda worked. As soon as I put on my first blue sac in the same run  BANGO --an they kept it up on the sacs too.
      Would strongly recomend Blue and or orange sacs to anyone coming up to the SR as a decent all round offering. Kinda like a 6 or 8 hook even though most use a larger one. Carry a blend of the colors and carry a lot of them too. 
        First timers tend to use far too much weight and take a long time learning NOT to throw upstream & spend far too much time pulling them outa the rocks.
      Would also suggest bringing a variety of weights in different sizes from home. They dont sell lead up there and those bright shiny thingies they DO sell scare the fish and dont have the weight of lead.
       Personally its a rare day for me to use more than a couple of BB size lead wts. Kinda firmly believe that fish  in mid suspension tend to bite more aggressivley than those hanging on the bottom. Just one mans way----You will find many  guys using #1 hooks with muzzel ball weights and stiff rods with 25 lb test and 'fishing' much differently  lol
      I know the main run tends to pickup pretty decent most years in late Sept. THAT however is MOST years. Sometimes it just aint that way. If I was to suggest a time frame for ONE annual trip for multiple species in particular it would be a week or so later. Yes the weather gets more iffy and the crowds do tend to increase to Biblical proportions but the fish are most always there then too.
      Good luck- its a great place---
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/10 17:43:50
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 17:27:11 (permalink)
    RT,many years ago I caught several steel on the lower river in late spring on shiners.Fished them on a dead drift under a float with spin tackle,this was way before pin outfits were the norm.A tackle shop down by the lake in Port Ontario told me to give them a try.When the steelie took it there was no mistaking it,the float went down quick!
    Never saw anyone catch a Salmon on a shiner,but I catch them on streamers that mimic shiners so who knows.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 17:37:44 (permalink)
    Hate to give up a 'secret' but in Winter and Spring have had decent luck with little green and pink Brook Trout streamers on about a # 10 hook. Never tried the shiners in Winter or Spring but have had good luck with Garden Hackle on Spring Steel so dont know why the Shiners wouldnt work either.
      Perhaps at those times of year after the main spawn they go back to more natural or traditional offerings. Oddly have never had much luck with Garden Hackle in the Fall either.
     Some say I'm odd anyhow so whats the problem ???
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/10 17:41:03
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 18:27:44 (permalink)
    Late spring they are dropping back and are looking to replace what they lost during the spawn,they want meat and lots of it!
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 18:31:06 (permalink)
    This is great stuff. Thanks guys. I wonder why noone uses shiners? Salmon have to be eating them. Doesn't make sense. My buddy uses skein. I've never used it, but if I go with him, I'm sure he'll teach me. So what else should I stock up on? And did you guys say that you would recommend the last week of Sept above all others?
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 21:01:57 (permalink)
    FYI my buddy uses the Supremes and Supreme XTs.  Late September is pretty much when EVERYONE goes or at least that's my experience.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 21:07:40 (permalink)
    Keep in mind I was still getting them in the 3rd week in October last year so unfortunately you will hear the got to be at the right place and right time using the right bait or lures theory.  The other theory you will hear is that the salmon don't bite which is not accurate.  You have to find the right fish and present the right bait, etc...  Unfortunately that restraint is necessarily employed so you might see some different tactics and I will leave it at that...
     
    This is the same as any other type of fishing, not every fish is interested and given the amount of pressure these fish get they become extra weary and educated FAST.  Other piece is none of these fish are likely to eat for the sake of satiety instead its aggression and instinct.  Hope that helps...  Also the later you go the tougher it is on the sense of smell with catabolism beginning once they enter the river.  Nothing like a decaying fish right next to you as your trying to catch some steel or mud sharks
     
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 21:46:59 (permalink)
    Machine- all that makes me wonder bout my sanity ( again ) as  havent been to DSR in a number of years now and that is clearly the best bet for unmolested fishes who are perhaps still in a better 'lake biting' mode.
       Kinda try and justify by it by not havin any kinda personal numbers manifesto and bein quite  happy with one or two biters here and there but then there are those days-------
     For any newbies- DSR is pricey but on the right days  can also be a priceless experience-- just sayin----
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/10 21:48:11
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/10 22:23:29 (permalink)
    By the way I meant to say "Unfortunately that restraint isN'T necessarily employed so you might see some different tactics and I will leave it at that..."
     
    Yeah retired, I remember my first trip up I went with some seasoned vets and lets just say we fished EVERYWHERE and some of the places were in holes that we couldn't see the bottom and were the only ones there.  I actually started that morning with a egg fly and the old timer said that won't work as he put on a golf ball size amount of skein.  I smiled and ended up hooking the first salmon we landed it and I gloated.  Now don't get me wrong this old timer ended up out fishing me but it was amusing that evening the waitress/bar tender explained we were a bunch of snaggers.  I thought interesting I couldn't see the fish, didn't even know if there were in this respective hole, and the plugs/skein found the corner of the mouth or tip of their noses every time.  Of course the following year I fished middle river dealt with the congestion and saw fish running for their lives.  Such different experiences so I gave it all up and started fishing chrome with salmon being a bonus.  We do our homework fish everywhere and try to avoid the crowds at all cost.  We get our pictures keep a couple salmon for smoking to please the farmers we hunt waterfowl on and that's it.  Now every year I count the days until my next trip.  Unless I'm fishing the Florida Keys then I'm distracted for a while until the fall start to set in and the leaves start to color.  Truthfully the DSR is an interesting place I get disappointed when I see the parking lot full but overall it can be better than playing with the crowds.  Just my two cents/experience either way I still come up support the local economy and have a great time.  
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/11 12:32:21 (permalink)
        My first trip up was also at the DSR- but there was no DSR as yet. We parked out on the road and hiked in trough the woods in the dark AM. Will NEVER forget those ravines and drop offs.  lol.
          It was bout the third week of Sept and the Salmon were HOT. Since it was our first trip up and for big fish we all brought our salt water rods. Quite an experience.
        Over the years we ended up making our annual venture into October as on occasion with water temps and flow  Sept was not always what we had waited all year to experience.
       Thats when I became an upriver enthusiast. Even during the horrible trebble hook days upriver was great when away from the 'holes' and very uncrowded even with huge numbers of guys around those holes. The smaller runs and seams were all to those who 'fished'.
      Lotta water came down the river since then and now own a decent place up there on a few acres and spend several days a month there year round.  Although I fish the river year round  my favorite time is  very late Oct  and throughout November into Dec. for a variety of colored up fishes and much smaller crowds. Some Kings are generally seen very late still coming in fresh  and unmolested along with very colored up Hos and lotsa fresh Steel. Some days you are the only guy out there on some stretches.
      Love it.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/11 12:35:50
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/11 13:02:42 (permalink)
    10-12 foot noodle rod
    2500 series shamano sedona
    for fresh kings 12 lb main line and 10 lb leader, for older fish 10 lb main and 8 leader
    size 4 gamagatzu circle hook with a blue egg sack
    usually one or two splitshot about 18 inches up
    that is all you need for the mudsharks :)
     
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/11 21:42:40 (permalink)
    bigbear2010

    10-12 foot noodle rod
    2500 series shamano sedona
    for fresh kings 12 lb main line and 10 lb leader, for older fish 10 lb main and 8 leader
    size 4 gamagatzu circle hook with a blue egg sack
    usually one or two splitshot about 18 inches up
    that is all you need for the mudsharks :)



    Gotcha. Thank you. And what is the "DSR?"
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/11 23:01:47 (permalink)
    DSR....Douglaston Salmon Run...first mile or so of river that is pay to fish....$45/day......can be hit or miss as the fish don't hold there because they want to get upstream to do their thing,if you hit it right it is great or you might pay and get next to nothing.It goes against my grain to pay that when these fish are mostly stocked with our license money,but that's me others see it different.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/11 23:32:24 (permalink)
       As PA said it can be hit or miss sometimes down there but when they are coming  in pods or a good run you will never forget it. Awesome is not enough to describe some days.
        Have stood there in the AM to no fish around and a coupla hours later its black with them.   Both Kings and Hos early and Steel as the season goes on.
        As the season goes on and the fish are spread throughout the river its different but those early season  days with runs of fish in the DSR are embedded in my memory bank.
       Hey --for ONE trip its worth it- at worst its just another 45 on top of everything else and if its not happenin there -move upriver---due to fisherman limits its isnt as crowded there either and as I recall their 'wardens' keep it much more ethical than some other spots.
      When I only had one or two trips up there a year the DSR was always on my list- now its different for me personally - but DSR hasnt changed .
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/12 10:08:49 (permalink)
    Hey chartists,with that 20# tippet you better keep your hands on the cork or it won't be just the line snapping
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/12 23:01:46 (permalink)
    Man, just thinking about catching a 30lb fish gives me goosebumps. That's awesome.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/13 06:51:19 (permalink)
    me being a real good steel head fisherman i thought the kings would kinda be the same but bigger. it is much eaiser to catch steel. after 5 trips , our last trip we hammered the kings. we where probably the onle guys that wasnt snagging. 10'6 noodle rod. 8# 100% fluro line. no leaders and at first steel head skien then salmon skien. with the 8# Pline we wher we didnt have a problem. u will lose 1 where and there but it worked great. dont forget zip locks for your eggs.
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/13 09:23:46 (permalink)
    The medium rod that I mentioned in the original post, do you think it would be a good rod? How do you tell what weight it is? It says that it is 9', medium action, line weight of 10-20lb. If you click on the link on my original post, it will take you right to it. I just bought a Pflueger President and I think it will work well for salmon. Now I need to pick a rod. As for keeping the eggs, do you just use one egg at a time or tie egg sacks?
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    Re:Salmon Tackle Help 2012/08/13 11:32:54 (permalink)
    That link does n't give details,like how long,9'+ is better.Medium action 10-20# should work,but I would use 14# main line,small black barrel swivel,then 10# Pline flouracarbon leader about 2 to 4 ft long depending on water being fished,shollow fast water short leader,deeper slower water longer leader.Tie a short piece of leader material onto swivel and hang your weight off that,that way you only lose the weight if it hangs up on bottom.You can buy egg sacks up there,you use sacks or hunks of skien for Salmon.This is not Erie where single eggs are common for Steel.
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