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2012/08/02 19:34:47 (permalink)

handicap

Hey -
    -Been Lurkin again--
    Guys over on SC talking bout trying to start a thingie to get a handicap fishing place up there..  I'm in-- but am not a cross over member.
  Maybe some similar minded cross over poster herebouts can handle a combined attack on this- Sounds like a real good thing.
   Tough river to fish even in good health.
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 07:47:43 (permalink)
    Im not a member of SC either but I do check in with them for some "top secret" info. I like the idea of providing for our disabled anglers, heck I might be one myself someday, but its the ability to chase down a silver rocket or mudshark after hookup im stuck on. Your right Retired even a fit person can get in trouble fast up there. I've taken a few spills on that river that wanted to remove a knee. The rebuild of the church hole has potential with that nice long flat stone work they did along the bank. Even the Pineville lot has alot of parking lot/shore access that could have something done to.
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 09:55:37 (permalink)
    Personally I would envision a Handicap place as a concrete or wooden deck that is fully handicap appropriate with immediate designated parking and posted clearly handicap ONLY.
      Considering the kind of fishermen we enjoy up there it would be a kinda solid bet that there would generally be somebody around on 'net duty ' too.
      Would probably have to be a place with a decent holding pool and VERY close access to the parking area. Ct has them here and there and they work out very well.
      Putting them in a 'no kill' area is iffy though. Consider the time to land and take the fish to the fisherman for a ' photo op' ya may as well let the fish be kept if desired after all the time needed there.
       Somebody mentioned the Kiddie Pool and frankly I'd give in up in a heartbeat for the Handicapped folks. Especially the 'South side' by the lot. They could make the Release rules  a blend with the non handicapped still having to release.
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 10:29:43 (permalink)
    I think too much idle time in reality tv (sc) has made too much out of nothing. Let's ban glasses, rods & reels too. One can only catch fish with their hands now. Lol.
    First off a handicap fishing platform was built. It's right on downstream side of rt.3 bridge. How often do you see a wheelchair there as opposed to guys standing and fishing off it ?
    Also I think the sr has some of the best handicap access of most any stream excluding oswego. Just look at all drift boat ramps , I would think most any wheelchair could easily go down them to fish.
    Bank access is also pretty darn easy in most spots as well.




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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 10:56:59 (permalink)
      Have seen that spot by the rt 3 bridge and fully agree that its NOT used properly. Parking is a real issue down there as well when the fish start coming in. Place turns into a real Zoo.
       Would never try and fish it but do stop now and then ( if parking is available) just to watch the show. Could never figure out those guys snaggin off the bridge.
      Might also agree that its kind of a crappy spot  for a wheelchair guy to have to go and fish. At least the State tried to give them a spot though. Hey- also agree with some of that other SC stuff- goes way too far on occasion- like that recent glasses thing.
      Unless the water is kinda UP those ramps at the Ballpark or Pineville and  the LFZ dont really have much in front of them but close rocks or little depth.. Also a chair has no 'anchor point or stop to prevent its goin right into the water in those places. Iffy at best.
      This got nothin to do with Summer doldrums - more to do with somebody elses  decent idea for those who can no longer fish this river cause they have developed or were born with 'issues' most of the rest of us cant even comprehend living with.
      Might agree  Tuna that the Pineville Bridge has a great pool that could easily support this kind of endeavor just below that ramp area.
        Then again we could always start 'Hillbilly handfishin' for Sharks too -lol.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/03 12:51:20
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 12:10:54 (permalink)
    How about the unemployment hole? Right below the Altmar bridge on the lot side. Easiest access to a loaded hole. If I had to take a handicapped fisherman,and I have many times in other places,  I'd try there first. I've advocated for and helped get ramps installed in other places, that spot fills the bill perfectly. Tons of fish 25 feet from the vehicle.  The  lawn chairs that usually park there could move over.  I didn't read SC, so my opinion is extremely uniformed.
     
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 12:49:35 (permalink)
    Right below the Altmar bridge would be a great spot for it,would n't take much work to make it very accessable.
    I'll have to peek in on SC and see what they're saying.
    A off topic question.....where is Dime?
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 12:58:32 (permalink)
    Kinda like that spot Charlie- its close and certainly does have the fish. Lets fact it -it isnt like there will be dozens of folks there  so that place can handle a few and still afford a great fishing opportunity.
      All that seems left is to make some calls and send some letters and hope for the best.
       Hey--anybody know of a handicap organization up that way- they could certainly be a lead agency for this and probably already have the needed Legislative contacts to make it happen- would be right up their alley.
      Talks cheap - lets DO somethin.
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 13:37:06 (permalink)
    Well I looked in at that post regarding this.Nothing concrete there and it will probably die off.One of the pinners on that board thought the whole LFZ would be nice,to him I say go F yourself.
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 13:41:42 (permalink)
       We can kick this around forever and dont like waitin around sooo--
     
        Did a putor check resulting in sending a letter to the NYS Comm for persons w/disabilities- -hit submit and it wouldnt go through so I called them- message said leave my number and  they would get back to me it about 2 days- dont waste my time
      Called and left a message with Region 7 in Syracuse for the fella the putor says handles this kinda thing-- we will see--
         Finding the right person can be a challenge in and of itself--
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 17:21:37 (permalink)
    Charlie that would be an excellent location.. I would have to say the "perfect" spot..
    Fly zones as reality tv might say (i don't watch so I too am clueless) would be pretty much the worst.. Not by location by any means but restriction, C&R..
     
    RT:
     I applaud your energy toward betterment but those things come with persistence over the long haul for sure.. 
    Sadly most of what the internet excels in is instant gratification  ..
    Would love to see another handicap access..
    I think the current one is very good , fish are caught from there..  It's not the structural defect on how it's used..
    All DB access have potential and I seen (caught) fish from them myself.. The Pineville is killer.. Aren't we all water level dependent for locations at times too.. Yea I'm handicapped too..LOL
    Agree about the rails or breaks.. Shoot someday you may see me rolling my chair down the hill at the black if I really wanted to fish there .
     
    Keep on keeping on.. Fire the trash petition back up, it's getting close to that time again ..
     
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/03 18:03:25 (permalink)
     Tuna- Charlie was spot on with that one-
       Hey -I'm a local elected Politico and have been for a long time now- Know full well that one or two asking about something that has even a small $$ figure aint gettin nothin done- thats why I was and still am- looking for a Handicap Association of some sort with political clout to 'manage 'something like this.
     In todays world the returning disabled Veteran is gettin huge attention and funding in theses matters and may be an avenue. They got great press when using DSR for a special Returning Veterans fishing trip last year.
       On that garbage front- was up to the Falls a few weeks ago and saw tons of garbage strewn about- looked like Shark season on the river-- NO GARBAGE CANS.
      We see the River but the problem seems to be larger than that on State areas. Gotta have the cans or  enforcement- cant get by with neither.
       Was pickin up the LFZ lot last Winter and some guy looked at me and threw a wrapper on the ground and walked off- wish  was bout 30 yrs younger-- Just shoutin out a body part phrase didnt work- just made me feel a little better. The part that really hurt was that he was a Flyguy- I try to justify it by thinking perhaps it was a Pin Rod.
     
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/03 18:05:49
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/20 06:27:36 (permalink)
    Aren't the petting zoos already handicapped access sites?  LOL
     
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/20 14:17:58 (permalink)
    Lucky13

    Aren't the petting zoos already handicapped access sites?  LOL

    L13

    From alot of the comments and opinions getting thrown around these days, one would think the whole river was a handicapped zone
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/20 15:53:05 (permalink)
    Since ya brought it up---
      Got a callback today from the Ny.  folks in Cortland  concerning requesting info about   Handicap access on the Sr. -Hopefully by the Altmar bridge or any other appropriate spot.
      Was advised that the State is not considering such  projects on larger ' moving' waters that may wash out. They are continuing such efforts on Ponds and Lakes where there isnt any chance of them getting washed away.
      Gotta admit that after the 2010 floods they may well have a point. Also kinda nice to hear they are still interested in making some waters  more available to those of us who cant get out as readily as  some others.
      No luck on litter barrels or increased litter enforcement either-----
      It is what it is and its gonna stay that way unless the fishermen themselvs use 'peer pressure' to stop it. Didnt bother to argue that many of us have already been doin that but it doesnt get through to the slobs without some help.
      The folks I talked to were nice and polite and very honest in their responses. I understand they  have budgets , manpower restrictions and  responsibilities far beyond the Sr.
      Kinda discouraging  to know that there aint even  a ****ing trash barrel on the horizon though.  (they get abused by people cleaning out their cars and throwin in stuff from home)- ( there goes the goon outa stater theory).  LOL
       
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/20 16:41:50
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/20 16:57:23 (permalink)
    All that does not surprise me RT.
    The only thing that would cut way down on litter is two things:Enact a deposit law on all metal and plastic contalners,and raise the fine for litter to  say $1000 and community service for repeat offenders.If they would do that and ENFORCE it litter would be hard to find.But i'm not going to hold my breath.
    Meanwhile that class act "Dawn"from the Yankee shop in town says the "wild" Salmon are starting to run,even posted a picture.Wants everybody to book their trips now! LMAO
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/20 17:17:30 (permalink)
    lol
    gotta love the sr in the fall
    btw rg, thanks for the updates
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/20 23:57:48 (permalink)
    I work with Parks people who have a "carry in carry out" rule. I've never had a problem with it because it was how I was raised as a SPORTSMAN...you carry it in, you carry it out.  No barrels necessary, just MEN (and WOMEN) fishing, not DumbA** ****heads with no class.  On the other hand, I will probably not try to educate my fellow sportsman if he's already involved in some creative use of J plugs and bead chain when he throws his candy bar wrapper in the river!
    Have fun with the salmon! See you in LATE October!!
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/21 08:05:13 (permalink)
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    I work with Parks people who have a "carry in carry out" rule. I've never had a problem with it because it was how I was raised as a SPORTSMAN...you carry it in, you carry it out.  No barrels necessary, just MEN (and WOMEN) fishing, not DumbA** ****heads with no class.  On the other hand, I will probably not try to educate my fellow sportsman if he's already involved in some creative use of J plugs and bead chain when he throws his candy bar wrapper in the river!
    Have fun with the salmon! See you in LATE October!!
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    Gotta agree with you. Carry in carry out is best. Trash cans would bring more of a burden IMLO ( "L" stands for legendary
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    Re:handicap 2012/08/21 08:56:09 (permalink)
    13--
     We have to a great degree adopted the same philosophy  concerning trash barrels in my City- for the same reasons too- the States  position  DOES have merit.
      We very quickly found ,however, that this can only work with enforcement as well. 
    SPORTSMEN and SPORTSWOMEN are very different folks from the snaggin littering slobs we unfortunately encounter. They will not change with a polite word as they simply do not and never will understand it.
       Carry litter bags and one of those thingies to pick it up with too- After fishin tend to pickup around wherever I am parked- Many here and on other forums do likewise.  Am NOT however gonna become the litter Police and run around the river straightening out folks all the time- Kinda go there to have a nice time- was a Cop for 28 years -that was enough.
      Therefore kinda think the States position is incomplete on that front.
    post edited by retired guy - 2012/08/21 09:01:14
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