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2007/12/17 18:52:58 (permalink)

300 savage

I know they dont make them anymore...without finding a used one whats the closest thing I can get to it?  I come from a hunting family with lots of classic guns..none of us has anything like I've seen out there besides 300 savages, 30-06's, 30-30's.  My bro is the only true hunt for anything and shoot anything guy but he's off in the mid east right now.  Anyone have any suggestions?  Looking for something new for next year.  I now just have a 30-30 win with a scope, never failed me before, but I love my dad's 300 savage and would love to have one or a comparable rifle. 
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/17 19:44:23 (permalink)
    Quite honestly the 300 Savage is not much faster than the 30/30.  The Savage with 150gr bullets is about 2650fps and the 30/30 is 2400fps with a 150 grain bullet.  The 308 fires the dame bullet at around 2800fps.w_w.

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/17 19:54:28 (permalink)
    A BLR Browning Lever Action Rifle in .308 is about as close as you will find new.

    Almost every gun show has a few model 99 Savages in 300 or .308

    In the last 3 years I sold the 4 of them that I had for $300-$500
    Take downs or low numbers are worth more.
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/17 22:05:14 (permalink)
    Depends on what you're trying to knock down.  Do you want a bolt or lever action?  Range or knockdown power?

    My Dad's Model 99 was awesome in it's time, but we always seemed to have to track the deer he and my brother have hit over the years.  It's an accurate gun within 200yds, but really doesn't pack a wallop to knock down bigger deer.  I myself always shot a Win. '94 30/30 but have hated having to also track deer, especially the ones that were hit well.  No real difference between those two rounds, as has been stated.

    I searched about a year for the right gun for my needs.  I wanted one that I could hunt most North American big game with, and it had to hit hard and shoot flat.  Those are two things you don't get with .300 Sav. and 30/30 factory rounds.  I decided I wanted to go fully modern, both in gun and bullet. 

    I finally chose a Tikka T3 Lite S/S in .270 WSM.  The ballistics for that round are fantastic, and the gun is a work of art, even in the composite feather-weight stock.  It took a few boxes of bullets(as well as a folded sweatshirt) to get used to the kick, as it's a world apart from the '94, but after 3 years, I'm really comfortable with the T3.  I shot as well at the range this past Fall as I ever have, with both guns.  When put to the test, the rounds have devistated each deer hit with it.  DON'T aim for the heart/shoulders if possible.  Take lung shots with any of the short mags, as they really mess up shoulder meat.

    The same can be said of the gun my brother has switched to.  Once he saw Baby Brother's new gun, he wanted a new one too.  When he learned how to read a ballistics chart, he finally realized why he was tracking so many well hit deer.  Dad's old Model '99 just doesn't compare to what is available now.  He chose a Savage 16 S/S in .300 WSM.  Too much gun, IMHO for PA big game, but he couldn't let Little Bro. walk around with a bigger stick.  If I had the search to do over, I may have saved myself some jingle and gone with the package he bought.  For the money he spent, he got a sweet gun and average scope, but I still would have gone with the .270 WSM.  My Tikka was almost twice the $$$ and minus the scope.

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 07:57:07 (permalink)
    .35 Remington is a classic caliber that still is available in new lever guns.  Also, Browning still chambers thier BLR levergun in the old .358 Winchester loading. 
     
    How about a good old 45/70.  As classic a caliber as you can get with lots of nostalgia to go with it.  The caliber that wiped out the buffalo.  I have one and use it for deer alot.  Factory loads range from the anemic to powerful dangerous game loads and everything in between.
     
    You can get a new Marlin in 45/70 for about $500 new.
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 09:27:13 (permalink)
    you can get an encore chambered for 300 savage.  Don't know why you'd want to, but you can.
     
    A 308 loaded down just a little will be right on.  Pick some 308 accuracy loads and you're right there.  And, you can get a 308 in most every rifle currently offered.  Would be my first choice in replacing a 300 savage.
     
    Alternatively, a 6.5 x 55 (aka 6.5 swede) would do the same killing power if not a little better.  It puts a 140 gr head at 2500 fps  with factory ammo, and that 140 gr head has a lot better sectional density than a 150 gr 30 cal (.287 vs .226) and better ballistic coefficient ( .465 vs ~.420)  If you hand load you can throw in the 140 gr A-maxes and have a .550 coefficient.  Would hold up in the wind great and penetrate deep into the chest of a deer.

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 13:53:52 (permalink)
    I have a BLR in .358 with a scope. Absolutely love it!! The 250 grain RN bullet is awesome. Very accurate also. The gun is also very easy to carry
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 13:54:19 (permalink)
    I have a BLR in .358 with a scope. Absolutely love it!! The 250 grain RN bullet is awesome. Very accurate also. The gun is also very easy to carry
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 17:18:30 (permalink)
    great info thanks to all.  my brother took the hunting gene and i took the fishing one.  each of us is lost in the others discipline that is for sure.  what are these .300 wsm's i keep seeing?  also i didnt know that a 300 wasnt what it used to be, hence them not making it anymore i guess.  i just love my dads, love shooting it, love the feel of it.  havent put a deer down myself with it but he has put down quite a few from long range and never had a problem.  mainly something under a 30-06 is what im looking for for my hunting.  never hunting anywhere where very long ranges are needed.  im assuming a 300 wsm is more powerful than an 06?
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 17:29:19 (permalink)
    While we are on the subject of 300 savage.
     
    Can anyone tell me how to date them  I have my Dads model 99
     
     

     



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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 17:51:37 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Skip16503

    While we are on the subject of 300 savage.

    Can anyone tell me how to date them  I have my Dads model 99




    http://www.savage99.com/savage99_dates.htm



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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 17:56:02 (permalink)
    Thanks Marty Couldn't been any quicker

     



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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 17:56:54 (permalink)
    I used that site to date them for selling on gunbroaker
    post edited by pghmarty - 2007/12/18 17:57:07
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 18:54:47 (permalink)
    Thanks again Marty  It dated mine built after 1951  Any ideas how to get closer???

     



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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 19:48:48 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: joebaker79
     what are these .300 wsm's i keep seeing?   im assuming a 300 wsm is more powerful than an 06?

     
    The WSM's were all the rage a few years ago.  They do perform well, but for most that are not gun nuts, they are just another caliber in a sea of calibers that all kill deer. 
     
    Yes a 300 WSM is quite a bit more powerful than a 30-06.  More than you need for deer.  I have always said that the .308, .270, 30-06 class of catridges is all you really need if deer is your game of choice and you goal is to put meat on the table.
     
    You can get fancier of course but you don't seem the type. 
     
     
     
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 20:23:09 (permalink)
    Marty, my man.  You got a site for other Savage guns?  I've got a model 23D .22Hornet that is oLd duud, but don't know exactly how oLd.  I need a clip for it, too.  I never find one cheaper than $40, so I always pass.  They shouldn't cost that much.
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 21:52:40 (permalink)
    i have used my 300 sav. model 99 since i started hunting over 30 years ago. when i used the round nose bullet the deer never went very far out of sight. when using the pointed soft points is another story. that's the main difference with the lever 30-30, you don't use pointed bullets so you don't get the flatter trajectory that a 300 sav. gets using the pointed bullet.
     
    using 150gr.
    30-30 sighted in at 100yrds. at 200yrds drops -8.2"
    300sav. (pointed) sighted in at 100yrds. at 200yrds drops -5.4"
    308 win. (pointed) sighted in at 100yrds. at 200 yrds -4.5
    i bought my 3 sons .308's so i had the oppertunity to shoot 3 different actions. my youngest had a 308 pump. never could get a good grouping out of it.
    my son giddeon got a winchester 308 win. bolt action lightweight. groupped the best using winchester ammo and i would say it had the least recoil.
    my oldest son got a 308 from browning, lever action model 81blr. it shoots a tighter pattern with federal?
    when i know i'm going to be in hilly terrain and distance shooting i'll take the browning. shot a deer almost 200yrds. this season up hill, downed it where it once stood in the neck.
    i've missed or wounded a few deer with long shots down hill with the 300sav. so the 308 is a much better choice.
    i have to agree though, there's nothing like the feel of the ol' 300 sav. hurridly raising it against my shoulder with the cross hairs on a deer. BANG, GOT'EM
    hope this helps. (i like 30. cal. for deer hunting)

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/18 22:02:32 (permalink)
    I need a clip for it, too. I never find one cheaper than $40, so I always pass. They shouldn't cost that much.


    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=87242374

    http://www.ammoclip.com/S/savage_23d.htm

    http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/magazine_rifle.html#magazines

    http://www.gun-parts.com/magazines2/


    Don't know about year-yet
    I doubt that there is enough collector interest in this model to have an online date of manufacture.

    Other gun dates of manufacture can be found here or ask here:
    http://oldguns.net/faq.htm
    post edited by pghmarty - 2007/12/18 22:24:23


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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 07:06:13 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: joebaker79

    great info thanks to all.  my brother took the hunting gene and i took the fishing one.  each of us is lost in the others discipline that is for sure.  what are these .300 wsm's i keep seeing?  also i didnt know that a 300 wasnt what it used to be, hence them not making it anymore i guess.  i just love my dads, love shooting it, love the feel of it.  havent put a deer down myself with it but he has put down quite a few from long range and never had a problem.  mainly something under a 30-06 is what im looking for for my hunting.  never hunting anywhere where very long ranges are needed.  im assuming a 300 wsm is more powerful than an 06?

     
    Joe,
     
    A 308 would do well for what you want if you want to stick to 30 caliber.  The reduced recoil loads from Remington have about the same ballistics as the 300 savage.  If caliber doesn't matter, then a 243, 260 rem, or a 7mm-08 would all do well.  They are all based on the 308 cartridge, just neckd down to different diameters.  The 6.5 x 55 isn't far off that same geometry and is pretty close on the 260 rem.  They are all a little smaller than a 30-06 case (parent to the 270, 25-06, and some others) and work on lower pressures.  All make nice, light deer cartridges.
     
    The 300 savage hasn't changed since its inception.  Its power rating relative to everything else on the market has, which makes it look weak.  With guns, there is often a 'bigger is better' mindset.  Everyone else's gun is either too small or too big if it is different from what you shoot.  The 300 savage is a perfectly capable round and has killed many deer over the years.  However, bigger rounds are more popular.
     
    The 300 WSM is the winchester short magnum.  Winchester took a really big diameter case from the 404 Jeffery, shortened it down a little, and then necked it to different diameters.  I think the WSM series goes from 25 to 325 and includes 270, 7mm, and 300 in between.  It might have been expanded to 338 an down to 243 also.  There is also the WSSM (super short magnum) that is the same parent case only shortened even more and necked down.  That is available in 223, 243, and 25 diameters.  The idea behind the series is that a short, fat case provides better burn rates, higher efficiency of powder use, and inherent accuracy.  And, you can put them in a really short action rifle to keep weight down.  Across the series, they have velocities at the upper end of the range for the given diameter.  The 223 WSSM is on par with a 22-250 or 220 swift, the 300 WSM is up there with the 300 win mag, but with a good bit less powder and a lot shorter action.  The big downside is that factory ammo for them is really high.  I'd love to have a 243 WSSM personally.  I think it has a lot of potential and versatility.
     
    Thanks,
    Rick
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 09:38:56 (permalink)
    Never realized I shoot such a sissy gun. 

    ORIGINAL: doubletaper

    300sav. (pointed) sighted in at 100yrds. at 200yrds drops -5.4"



    Farthest deer I ever shot was 191 yards.  Open field against a treeline..  I aimed one inch below the top of the back.  Dropped right there.  I ended up stepping is off a 180 steps, not thinking it was that far, I took the range finder up to find 191.  5.4" sounds about right.
    post edited by SilverKype - 2007/12/19 09:41:23
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 10:49:25 (permalink)
    silverkype, i didn't understand your sissy gun remark??
    i would say the furthest i shot my 300 sav. on a flat plain was well over 200yrds. i layed the horizontal line along the top of the deers back with the BOTTOM vert. line behind the deers shoulder. when we went up to see if i hit it there was a puddle of blood. after tracking the deer and finding it i had gut shot it. now that bullet had to drop at least a foot or so. on the level i am deadly with the 300 i just can't seam to compensate the LONGER shots up hill or down hill with it so i don't try any more.  

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 10:58:38 (permalink)
    It's not as powerful as I would have thought.  That's all.  I have not much to compare it to since I've only ever shot a 300 winchestor, and 308.  Not much of a gun man.
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 11:18:19 (permalink)
    Short magnums are nice but are expensive to shoot and finding ammo may become difficult.
    Some of them might last but some will also disapear.

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 13:23:42 (permalink)
    I have an old Remington 760 in the 300 savge.Ive never shot it.I need to find a clip.It's not really in the best of shape.The pump  has  a chunk  busted out  of it.Sherry's mom gave it to me along with a Remington 760 in 30-06,it's a nice gun.I really like it.

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 16:12:16 (permalink)
    .308 CLIP MIGHT WORK


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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/19 22:25:54 (permalink)
    I shoot a 30-06 savage 116 model bolt action that is amazing. I shot a 125 sierra game king boat tail. with amazing results. Neck shots anywhere from 50 yards, to 400 yards, with soft ball size exit wounds,,,,amazing never had to track a deer yet. And you can reload up to 220 gr bullets. 06 is good from anywhere good for close range to long range shots. I don't think you need anything bigger than a o6 other larger calibers are too much for pa whitetails....2 years ago i shot a elk at 379 yards shooting 150 grain hornday interlocks one shot one kill say enough.......my bull was a 6x6  983 lbs. taken with a 30-06 ! it's all about shot placement hit them right there no reason to track a thing. But good luck Joe in finding a gun. I think you would be very happy with the 30-06..........i know i am.             Cenetrpin_drift
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/20 17:34:44 (permalink)
    i could do the 06 i guess.  my brother is exclusively an 06 guy.  reloads his own shells and the whole bit.  i have hunted with his rifle when he couldnt hunt due to navy obligations and cant say i enjoyed it but i never got a shot with it.  i like the 30-30 and 300 due to the light weight.  cant say anything bad about my 30-30 though the last one i took a few years ago was at 150-175 yards up hill on a doe that would not go broadside on me.  being the last hour of the the last day of the season i shot middle of the chest with her staring directly at me.  it was dead center between the shoulders and a few inches below the neck.  my finest shot by far.  she did a few summer saults down the hill, got up, ran 10 yards and was down.  this was my first shot with a scope so i was very proud of the sighting in i did on it.  of course i had a nice rest on a tree.  how my brother can stand up and shoot them moving is beyond me but i guess you learn that sort of thing in the armed forces.  think ill do some research on a 308. 
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/20 19:59:40 (permalink)
    You might like a Remington 600 in .308
    It is at least 6" shorter than a 700
    I bought one a few years ago to use in mixed areas-brush and open hillsides.
    My 30.06 is awkward in the brush and 30-30, 32 or .375 model 94 is not good at long range.

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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/21 07:39:22 (permalink)
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    think ill do some research on a 308. 

     
    The .308 will fill your bill better if you are lookng for a lighter, shorter gun.  It doesn't give up much to the 06 either.
     
    Being a short action caliber many manufacturers make light carbine length guns chambered in that caliber that are perfect for the Pa deer woods.
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    RE: 300 savage 2007/12/21 11:58:43 (permalink)
    joe,

    If you want short and light, pick up an encore with a 20" barrel in 308. Super lightweight, will shoot well for you, plenty of power in the bullet.

    Thanks,
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