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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 14:55:45
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Driving to work has far greater risks than walking through the local gamelands on the opener of deer season. Now that is just plain Bull..... maybe in the SRA areas you could say that but not up here... I drive 9 miles to work and 9 miles back I rarely even encounter another car or truck until I get to town .. just have to dodge deer...  I'd be willing to wager that if you would come up here opening day next year and we walked about 5 miles that day you would encounters at LEAST 3-4 unsafe or illegal actions... anywhere from someone sitting down 60 yards in front of you or even better == I like the ones that sit down BEHIND YOU at 60 yards... or you would get to see a guys "scoping you" as you walk thru the woods.. and if you want you can stay at my home and chase the guys who want to hunt 50 yards from my buildings or the neighbor's ... Look === I just tell it like I know it to be in many areas.. I hate pointing out the "bad guys" but I am not going to hide my head and pretend they do not exist .... many of the property owners that do not want Sunday hunting share my opinions and you know that... some ask why folks oppose Sunday hunting and I reply.. it's just too bad some don't want to believe what I post is true too.... and what is worse for the sport of hunting on message boards .. pointing out the fact there are alot of bad guys out there or someone posting they may assualt a hunter or think about shooting one who "scopes them" with their rifle ??????? 
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 15:29:38
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Statistics do not back up your claims.. It is all fear mongering to try and prove your point. RSB is correct you are basically safer in the woods hunting than driving to where you will hunt.. Sounds like one of the ANTI's you keep talking about.... 
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 15:35:35
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Driving to work has far greater risks than walking through the local gamelands on the opener of deer season.
Now that is just plain Bull..... maybe in the SRA areas you could say that but not up here...
Doc, there are plenty of statisitics that will clearly show that driving to go hunting has far greater risk than the hunt itself. I believe what you are telling me, Doc. Never said that I don't. What I am disagreeing with is the "actual" danger that exists. Telling folks that don't hunt that it is dangerous to be around woods during hunting season is perpetuating streotypes that have been proven to be false. Again, perceived danger is different than actual danger. We must speak in actual danger and statisitics if we want our sport to prosper moving forward. It is up to us to dispel the perceptions. To argue agaisnt the expansion of Sunday hunting because of safety concerns helps to build a case against all hunting in general for those that are not friendly to us or our sport.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 15:49:51
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Recall draggin a nice one out a few years back- my buddy and I were loading it into the truck a guy drove up and parked close by while his wife leaned out and began to chasize us for hunting and yelling about 'all the bullets in her house from hunters. She made it clear she thought we were poaching. I made the mistake of showing her my license and written permission to hunt where we were. My buddy and I took bout 3 shots a year in that place for a number of years- Connected very well on Buck there too. Her husband never looked at us and just sat there with his hands on the wheel looking forward. Mr Mom. She left and I later found she had called the landowner to complain we were shooting up her property. He was stand up and realized she was an ANTI. Looked her up and found she lived bout a half mile down the road surrounded by other houses cept for the factory across the street from her. Ya couldnt get a shot to her house from our place -or any huntin place-if sat on topa the highest tree and tried your best. BOVINE FIELD SPLATTER stories by ANTIS Sounds to me like Doc got a bunch night shootin POACHERS around shootin the place up all after a night at the gin mill - they are just as bad as the ANTIS and cause us at least just as much trouble -if not more. Either that or there is somethin else there- real unusual to hear bout all the buildings AND animals bein shot up- that all outright felony stuff goin on.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 16:21:50
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Dr. Trout you do have some good points but you're assuming that guys are hunting private land and that land won't be available if Sunday were to be open. Even if guys who have permission to hunt an area Mon-Sat. lose it for Sunday, they still have the opportunity to go somewhere else on Sunday. For those of us that don't have the luxury to hunt private land I know the land that I would be hunting would be open.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 17:24:03
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Tastytrout... You may know the area will still be open but do you know what those additional days would do to the harvest numbers for that land... remember opening day and the saturdays are the biggest kill days.. plus 30% of bucks are killed in archery without 6 more days of killing them ...now add in a few more non-work days... I hear ya... but I am referring to property owners I KNOW that will not have their land open AT ALL for hunting.. they are that dead set against Sunday hunting.... how much will get posted ?? I don't know... but I would hate to see anyone lose their spot because of an issue that the majority of hunters and non-hunters do not want in the first place... come on guys... I have never said I was against Sunday hunting for JUST safety reasons... and I hope I never implied all the land owners I know that want no part of Sunday hunting said it was just about safety ... that is my own personal issue because of where I live.. but it is an issue I hear others talking about too .. there's trespassing, and that is a big one too around here... I have posted before of land that was once open to hunting that is now posted and it was not for fear of bullets or safety.. it was ATVs and trespassing and property damage .. do you think they want another day of that especially on the day they do not have to work and would like time to relax with family and friends... As some are mentioning here, the complaint I hear the most FROM THE HUNTERS around here is lack of game already and losing land that will be closed... and NONE of them are buying it will not be all about hunting deer 7 days a week .. they just are not buying that one AT ALL... most of the guys at the club are against it... in fact no one voted to support it or transferring the regulation of it at all when I did the thing for the federation when we were still a member... the club even DROPPED their membership because of the stand they took for Sunday hunting.. maybe just like the deer situation, it all depends on the area and what the residents of that area want or feel......... done on this topic, my postion has not changed.. NO SUNDAY HUNTING PERIOD for me ... and I could care less who regulates it.... I would not support whom ever would change it... and I know, first hand, the elected folks around here are in NO WAY going to vote for it.. they will lose their jobs if they do and they know that....
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 17:57:36
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You may know the area will still be open but do you know what those additional days would do to the harvest numbers for that land... remember opening day and the saturdays are the biggest kill days.. plus 30% of bucks are killed in archery without 6 more days of killing them ...now add in a few more non-work days... Similar concerns here. With that said, I and you would be free to lobby the PGC against allowing deer hunting on Sundays. That won't stop me from supporting game agencies regulating hunting. I hear ya... but I am referring to property owners I KNOW that will not have their land open AT ALL for hunting.. they are that dead set against Sunday hunting Shortsighted and spiteful. If they truly welcomed hunters, the land will re-open with time. I would hope that anyone that knows a lanowner that would do such a thing before one Sunday is added to any season, do their best to make sure it is based on facts and not misconceptions or a misunderstanding of what may occur. Whether one supports the expansion of Sunday hunting or not. If Sundays were only added to bear or small game, these landowners are gonna close down everything? Come on. how much will get posted ?? I don't know... but I would hate to see anyone lose their spot because of an issue that the majority of hunters and non-hunters do not want in the first place... Me to. That is why I have talked to every landowner whose land I hunt about this issue. Some were on it and knew exactly the ins and outs. Some had no clue and some had some wrong information. None have suggested they would post or shut down thier land, BTW. come on guys... I have never said I was against Sunday hunting for JUST safety reasons Correct, but you have brought up this aspect many times as a reason to oppose the regulatory transfer and/or expansion of Sunday hunting. it was ATVs and trespassing and property damage .. A big reason around here for posted property. do you think they want another day of that especially on the day they do not have to work and would like time to relax with family and friends... Kinda like wanting cows then complaining about the stink. Owning a sizeable chunk of land comes with its hassles. Also comes with its rewards. Hunting can be one of many issues. ATV issues are the worst around here. I wish I owned 200 acres and had to "worry" about hunters. As some are mentioning here, the complaint I hear the most FROM THE HUNTERS around here is lack of game already All are free to oppose expansion to a species of concern if the regulatory transfer occurs. Just as it works now Mon-Sat. and NONE of them are buying it will not be all about hunting deer 7 days a week .. they just are not buying that one AT ALL. I don't know. I have not heard any BOC member suggesting that deer are at the forefront. Some on the BOC are against any expansion for any species. most of the guys at the club are against it... in fact no one voted to support it or transferring the regulation of it at all when I did the thing for the federation when we were still a member... the club even DROPPED their membership because of the stand they took for Sunday hunting The PFSC struggled with this one for sure. It cost them on many fronts. done on this topic, my postion has not changed.. NO SUNDAY HUNTING PERIOD for me ... and I could care less who regulates it.... I would not support whom ever would change it... Good discussion is great to see. Just shows that there are still sportsmen passionate about hunting. Those numbers are decreasing though, which is a bad thing. You bring valid points to the table that bear further discussion moving forward. Your concerns are not unique. If it is civil, why leave? You know, I was once adamantly opposed to even the idea of Sunday hunting. Was even opposed to crossbows. I wish folks just wouldn't dig in their heels on issues. There is alot to see out there if one chooses to look.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:26:27
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Similar concerns here. With that said, I and you would be free to lobby the PGC against allowing deer hunting on Sundays. Yeah. Just like we "lobbied" against too many deer being killed every other way.. Too many tags etc... Same result will be had, especially when this is ALL about the DEER in the first place. That won't stop me from supporting game agencies regulating hunting. I will support the efforts of any pro-hunting, credible nonextreme agencies management efforts, not proven fraudulent nonhunter friendly enviromentally extreme greenie factions running the show. Dont think I need to explain further. All are free to oppose expansion to a species of concern if the regulatory transfer occurs. Just as it works now Mon-Sat. Yeah. Just as the masses have about the deer decimation plan. How'd that work out? lmao. No thank you. Many of us are intelligent enough to realize pgc does what they want, and its usually centered around less deer these days. On the other hand legislators have no choice but to take their constituents into consideration. Or they wont be re-elected. I really couldnt give a rats fat - who makes an individual decision, as long as it is the RIGHT decision to be made. There have been far too many "wrong" ones made for the last 12 years.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:28:09
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The following article shows why the BOC cannot be trusted to even go slow on species to be hunted on Sunday. Look what they did in spite of hunter opposition on the x-bow. They are now talking about shortening the seasons as a result. There are other aricles quoting other BOC members
No sunset for crossbows
In another important action, game commissioners gave preliminary approval to make permanent the lawful use of crossbows in archery deer and bear seasons.
The board took this action by removing the sunset date inserted into the regulations in 2009, which required the board and agency staff to review the impact of expanded use of crossbows on the deer and bear resource before June 30, 2012.
The board must give final adoption to this action in April. Several commissioners - who conceded that they are not for "taking away crossbows now" - nonetheless expressed regret about allowing crossbows to be used during bow season.
"My mail and email was running 80 percent opposed to crossbows and yet we adopted something that I don't believe the majority of the stakeholders wanted," said Commissioner Tom Boop, of Northumberland County.
"We struggled with it. It is my personal opinion that the manufacturers and the lobbyists poured so much money into the effort. I just think it was unfortunate that we did it."
Commissioner Ron Weaner, of Adams County, agreed. "At that time, I had 700 emails in one month about crossbows, and it was 90 percent opposed," he said.
"It wasn't a clean vote, and it wasn't our finest hour, but it is past history."
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:34:15
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They are now talking about shortening the seasons as a result. Not a accurate representation of the position of the "they" you refer to. Boop made the comment that he feels the season will have to be shortend at some point. Boop is against anything that may kill a deer and would support cutting any deer season at this point if he would have got the support. He is gone so it is a moot point. One previous anti crossbow commissioner also commented about some positive aspects of inclusion. If the season were ever shortened, it will not be becuase of crossbows. The reasons are many that I have pointed out dozens of time before. If anything, a increasing archery harvest will be a good thing moving forward. Different discussion though. Just clearing up a inaccurate representation of the current feeling of the BOC.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:36:59
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The following article shows why the BOC cannot be trusted to even go slow on species to be hunted on Sunday. Look what they did in spite of hunter opposition on the x-bow. They are now talking about shortening the seasons as a result. There are other aricles quoting other BOC members
No sunset for crossbows
In another important action, game commissioners gave preliminary approval to make permanent the lawful use of crossbows in archery deer and bear seasons.
The board took this action by removing the sunset date inserted into the regulations in 2009, which required the board and agency staff to review the impact of expanded use of crossbows on the deer and bear resource before June 30, 2012.
The board must give final adoption to this action in April. Several commissioners - who conceded that they are not for "taking away crossbows now" - nonetheless expressed regret about allowing crossbows to be used during bow season.
"My mail and email was running 80 percent opposed to crossbows and yet we adopted something that I don't believe the majority of the stakeholders wanted," said Commissioner Tom Boop, of Northumberland County.
"We struggled with it. It is my personal opinion that the manufacturers and the lobbyists poured so much money into the effort. I just think it was unfortunate that we did it."
Commissioner Ron Weaner, of Adams County, agreed. "At that time, I had 700 emails in one month about crossbows, and it was 90 percent opposed," he said.
"It wasn't a clean vote, and it wasn't our finest hour, but it is past history."
I was against crossbow inclusion from day one, now I am neutral on the issue. But having said that, I disagree 100% with how things went down in spite of the desires of the majority. Shoulda never happened. They saw another way to mickel and dime the deer herd, and basically said hunters desires be dammed. So it would be with Sunday hunting if/when they achieve the power of making that decision. Im sure they are salivating like starving dogs looking at a T-bone over the very thought, with that, we're not talking about nickel and diming the herd. More like 80 cents. 
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:38:40
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Just like all the other incorrect decisions, "too late now". Oh, they don't make mistakes? I'm sorry. I take back my opening statement and beg forgiveness...WF
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:39:41
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Boop made the comment that he feels the season will have to be shortend at some point. Boop is against anything that may kill a deer and would support cutting any deer season at this point if he would have got the support. He is gone so it is a moot point. And the majority of the politically stacked board support anything that WILL kill another deer. And if anything, thats even more reason NOT to give them more power to kill more deer at this point.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:43:43
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S-10, Can't we all just get along? Come on. Still on crossbows.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:44:13
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This isn't Boop talking----They are talking reducing archery season because of taking too many deer at the same time they want to lenghten all seasons to kill more. YEP--- I sure trust them to do what is right. A reduction in opportunity for bowhunters could occur, Commissioner David Schreffler said, even if it's not for biological reasons. "It seems more bucks are being harvested and habits of deer are changing due to pressure," he said. "The concerns of our rifle hunters are valid. ... Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/576307_Crossbows-for-all-seasons.html#ixzz1oNocPhfZ
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:50:00
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Can't we all just get along? Come on. Still on crossbows. I thought we were getting long, after all, not much else to do on a early March evening. TV sucks and I can't legally shoot the deer that are currently in my back yard even though one of them is a nice buck. I could read my crossbow catalog I suppose. 
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:55:36
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"It seems more bucks are being harvested and habits of deer are changing due to pressure," he said. "The concerns of our rifle hunters are valid. ...
Oh great. It was all about biology before, now we are gonna manage deer socially. Oh brother. The archery harvest is climbing because more folks are archery hunting and less are rifle hunting. And those that rifle hunt do not enjoy the majority that they once did. 42% of rifle huntes also archery hunt. This is gonna get good. But as I said before, the trend was occuring way before crossbows. Different topic. Back to argueing over Sunday hunting. I like that better at this point anyway.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 18:57:54
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TV sucks. I could read my crossbow catalog I suppose.
While you are reading that crossbow catalog tonight. At 10:00 on History channel is a show called "Top Shot". Pretty cool show. Tonight they feature the crossbow.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 19:05:56
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Back to argueing over Sunday hunting. I like that better at this point anyway.
_____________________________ Don't even hint about this being an arguement or "POOF" like magic the thread disappears ----- It's just a discussion we are having to help you see the light.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 19:16:51
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Would that be the same light that currently shines in only 6 other states?
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 19:23:24
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Don't even hint about this being an arguement or "POOF" like magic the thread disappears-- I hope not. I've got 3206 words just in this thread alone, LOL. All trying to convince Doc that the deer running in front of his trunk is more dangerous to him than me hunting in his hemlocks.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 19:29:04
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Would that be the same light that currently shines in only 6 other states?
No, I think hes talking about the one that shines in all of the dozens of other states with whitetail deer that dont have an antideer greenie agenda in play, and therefore their management can be trusted with sunday hunting.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 19:30:10
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dpms..
Not leaving because of anything other than I have voiced my opposition.. I love good civil debates and we have always mananged to express our differcnes on Sunday without being un-civil...
It's just we totally disagree on this subject... and it's the same old folks saying the same old things over and over...
I do love the fact you represent the folks both hunters , non-hunters, and politicians you talk to and I do the same for this area.. and as the article stated.. it appears it's about a 50-50 split on all fronts EXCEPT the farmers... my understanding also is folks that live in populated areas and travel to rural areas are the ones really pushing for Sunday hunting... folks in the rural areas are the ones opposed or at least that was what I was told it was breaking down into from the local politicians and what they hear in Harrsiburg discussions....
want an idea to pass on to the politicians that may help... and one I have mentioned to the ones around here...even though they oppose Sunday hunting completely...
get them to make, or come up with some new ideas or laws covering trespassing and the enforcement of it ... that would be the first step I would take in trying to get landowners to re-consider posting there properties against hunting PERIOD ...
I believe Ohio did that and folks seemed to accept Sunday hutning better after tougher trespassing laws were put in place...
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 20:56:48
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None have suggested they would post or shut down thier land, BTW. Around here, in the northern part of the SRA, a landowner said he would shut down his 5000+ acres to hunters, 7 days a week, if Sunday hunting were to pass. He uses his land for other activities on Sundays. That is a HUGE hit to this area that still has plenty of good, open ground to hunt. Ironhed
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 21:49:37
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Around here, in the northern part of the SRA, a landowner said he would shut down his 5000+ acres to hunters, 7 days a week, if Sunday hunting were to pass. He uses his land for other activities on Sundays.
That is a HUGE hit to this area that still has plenty of good, open ground to hunt.
Ironhed
Any particulars, Hed? Wonder what the definition of "if Sunday hunting were to pass". No Sundays are set to be added even if HB1760 were to pass. Is this landowner threatening to close before any are added or is a specific season the concern?
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/06 23:33:17
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I can't answer those questions. I don't know.
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/07 00:34:40
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one last time.. No Sundays are set to be added even if HB1760 were to pass The bill has to pass before anything can be done (added).. It would be silly to say a thing about what would or would not be added until the bill passes.. right now nothing can be added.. change the law and it's open season on what could be added!!!! you seem to feel nothing will be added but that is not your choice to make ... others are afraid what will be added and some just do not want folks hunting on Sunday period ... If you don't want anything added then why change the law ??? Species COULD be added now without the bill, just like the species that are legal to hunt now... If the politicians honestly felt nothing would be added to upset voters then why are they not passing the bill.. simple... they know and folks know it's all about deer hunting in the end and no amount of smoke is going to hide that fact... deer hunting is #1 in Pa and we all know that...
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/07 06:46:55
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With that staement then, All of your arguement against is only beacuse of 1-2 days in Rifle season. Or do you duck alot more bullets during archery ??
2 Days Doc.. Why are you so set against denying hunters a couple extra days to hunt???
Pretty short sighted and down right selfish.
You might want to read some of the stuff you wrote back during the xbow debate.
You critisized many as being selfish trying to deny others the xbow use..
Little hypocritical if you ask me..
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RE: Sunday Hunting = DEAD = ??
2012/03/07 07:25:11
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ORIGINAL: Dr. Trout
you seem to feel nothing will be added but that is not your choice to make ... others are afraid what will be added and some just do not want folks hunting on Sunday period ...
If you don't want anything added then why change the law ??? I have never said I don't expect to see some Sundays proposed? I have repeatedly said that HB1760 does not mandate it. I am on record saying that I would ask for bear(even though I don't bear hunt), small game and youth spring gobbler to be added. I would make the case to the BOC, not the legislature as I could now if I wanted to. Why change the law? I support changing the law as it removes politicians from directly regulating hunting on one day of the week. In this day and age with hunting under attack, and demographics changing, it will be imperative for all of us to fully support game agencies and not support direct poltical management of game or regulatory affairs. That is why we have game agencies. They are tasked with those repsonsibilities.
post edited by dpms - 2012/03/07 07:35:43
My rifle is a black rifle
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