New location for Fly Fishing Show 
steely34
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New location for Fly Fishing Show
I believe some of you - like me, have attended the Fly Fishing Show held every February. The closet location for me has always been Somerset, New Jersey. I just got their e-newsletter and they have a new location for it - here in Lancaster, Pa. Not to rub it in or anything but it's about 15 minutes from my house. New this year will also be the International Fly Fishing Film Festival that will only be shown at 5 different sites and Lancaster is one of them. Should be a good show as always.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/20 20:09:11
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I think it's a very poor choice of a location
No easy travel for vendors
No real population center close by (no offense)
Every person I've talked with is skipping and focusing on Somerset
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/20 23:24:20
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Interesting ......Somerset County, NJ has a pop of approx 325k, where as Lancaster County, PA has over 500k. Keep in mind how close Philly, Harrisburg, Dc, and Baltimore are .......seems Lancaster is a very good choice. BTW.....I also live in Lancaster  -------------------------------
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/20 23:48:17
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somerset is an established show.... close to philly/NYC/eastern PA/ny/new england Somerset is a taxi ride from Newark airport lancaster is just under 2hrs (without traffic) from any major airport or city it will probably be worse than the under performing philly show from last year from SWPA... i'll goto somerset and pass on lancaster yeah.. its nice if you live in the area... but thats not going to get vendors to gamble on a new location But the I4F showing is cool... I saw it in NO and there is some good stuff
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/21 04:51:15
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They had the show there last year and talking with some people that went it is small compared to the Somerset show. Will still hit the somerset show.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/21 07:38:51
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last year it was right by the King of Prussia mall... much closer to philly
this year is lancaster
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/21 11:52:55
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/21 16:48:58
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looks like the IF4 show will also be in Somerset... and the big casting pond
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/21 18:19:59
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When I really think about this, I tend to agree with KJ on his comments on the choice of location of Lancaster. I drove by the convention center on the way home from work tonight and although there is a parking garage connected to it - traffic and access could be a problem. Although Harrisburg Int. A.P. is a 45 minute drive - it is more expensive to use than Philly. Sharp - I didn't know that the show was in Lanc. last year - must have missed it. Either way - it will be interesting to see the vendor list to see what and who will be slated to be in Lanc. compared to Somerset. I always enjoyed the Somerset show and I may have to drive right by the Lancaster location to see it. Good discussion.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/22 07:29:54
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It is just nuts that they do not put the show in State College. There is a new airport. All the lodging that is needed and the after hours entertainment is second to none. Plus, and most important, it's dead center in some of the best trout fishing in the entire country.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/22 09:28:05
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ORIGINAL: sudsy1000
It is just nuts that they do not put the show in State College. There is a new airport. All the lodging that is needed and the after hours entertainment is second to none. Plus, and most important, it's dead center in some of the best trout fishing in the entire country.
A new airport in state college? who flies in? what are the direct flights? "some of the best trout fishing in the entire country" i think that is a bold statement "some" of the best in the state... sure but people coming in from around the world are there for 2 or 3 days of work wasting PTO days to hang in state college in Jan/Feb... no thanks Also, its not like there is a large population of fly anglers in central PA with $$$ burning holes in their pocket the people who will spend $15 at the door and drop disposabile income inside ... are the same ones that will drive to Somerset State College/lancaster/central PA feel like poor locations that do nothing but dilute the sucessful somerset show and actually hurt vendors cost for a small booth space, shipping, travel, ect for somerset is $5k+ and probably the same from lancaster + the additional headache of a 2hr drive from a major airport to the show i really don't see how 2 shows will bring in 2times the people... but will cost vendors 2 times as much
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/22 20:10:26
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ORIGINAL: KJH807
ORIGINAL: sudsy1000
It is just nuts that they do not put the show in State College. There is a new airport. All the lodging that is needed and the after hours entertainment is second to none. Plus, and most important, it's dead center in some of the best trout fishing in the entire country.
A new airport in state college? who flies in? what are the direct flights?
"some of the best trout fishing in the entire country"
i think that is a bold statement
"some" of the best in the state... sure
but people coming in from around the world are there for 2 or 3 days of work
wasting PTO days to hang in state college in Jan/Feb... no thanks
Also, its not like there is a large population of fly anglers in central PA with $$$ burning holes in their pocket
the people who will spend $15 at the door and drop disposabile income inside ... are the same ones that will drive to Somerset
State College/lancaster/central PA feel like poor locations that do nothing but dilute the sucessful somerset show and actually hurt vendors
cost for a small booth space, shipping, travel, ect for somerset is $5k+
and probably the same from lancaster + the additional headache of a 2hr drive from a major airport to the show
i really don't see how 2 shows will bring in 2times the people... but will cost vendors 2 times as much
Touchy subject, Huh. I sorry that the new show format is going to cut into your Sham-WOW sales. Or will you be selling beef jerky this year?
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/22 20:30:35
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Guess you can't have a conversation
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/23 00:48:07
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I sorry that the new show format is going to cut into your Sham-WOW sales. Does KJH have the Sham Wow patent? Wow, I should send him a Christmas card...
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/23 12:38:24
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I'd like to clarify some questions from your forum. Just should mention my comments reflect the fact I have show knowledge since I am the owner of the Fly Fishing Shows. Last year we did our first PA Fly Fishing Show in King of Prussia. They received a state gaming license and the exhibit hall is to be a casino, so we searched for another PA location. I visited the Lancaster convention center and it is magnificent. It is closer to the fly fishing crowd in Harrisburg, Baltimore, and D.C., but still only one hour from King of Prussia. The Harrisburg airport is less that a half hour drive away, but only a small fraction of people travel to the show by air. A very important consideration when I schedule the King of Prussia show was whether it would dilute the attendance in Somerset. It had no affect and Somerset was very busy. The real surprise to me was 80% or more of the King of Prussia crowd had never been to Somerset. That was a real surprise, but a good one. Now Lancaster is even further away from Somerset, so I see both locations developing their own attendance. My choice, even if I lived outside of Lancaster, would be to drive to Somerset and then attend Lancaster. As I write there are 4-5 movies I want to see, so why would I only go to one fly show, especially when they had varied exhibits and celebrity seminars. My last comment was in response to the person that said King of Prussia"sucked"and the ponds were short. I had so many "thank yous" from people who enjoyed the show, one ugly comment doesn't need attention. That's what people usually want when their vocabulary includes "sucked." The ponds were shorter than our other shows. That was dictated by the demension of the building, so we provided two shorter ponds, since wecouldn't build one long pond. My thoughts are to practice your accuracy and not just distance I would rather get better at placing my fly on the nose of a fish than lining it with a "hero cast", impressive, but not needed in most of my fish catching attempts. Hope I was able to clarify a few questions. Anyone is welcome to contact me by email or phone. The email is info@flyfishingshow.com and the phone is 814-443-3638.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/23 16:41:22
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Thanks for your input here Chuck. One can only imagine the work and time one puts into organizing a show like this that is scheduled at various parts of the country and you have done a good job with it. It was an interesting perspective to read what you had to say coming from the director and owner. And your right - there is no reason why I personally should not include both the Somerset and the Lancaster show to visit to see the variation. Thanks again - I'm looking forward to the shows.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/25 23:14:03
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I for one have never attended the Sommerset show, but I will attend the Lancaster show. It's only about 80 min. drive for me. And thanks to Chuck for setting the record straight. Once again, those who think they know really don't know but act like they do know........
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 10:30:45
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ORIGINAL: Chuck Furimsky
My choice, even if I lived outside of Lancaster, would be to drive to Somerset and then attend Lancaster. As I write there are 4-5 movies I want to see, so why would I only go to one fly show, especially when they had varied exhibits and celebrity seminars. I definitely would not attend both shows, for many reasons. Where I live it's a 7 hour drive to Somerset, toll roads on the PA turnpike, $35-40 one way. Entrance fee to the show. Hotel room. meals. $ spent at the show. Etc. For the amount of money I'd spend attending one show, I could go fishing somewhere for 3-4 days. Why would anyone want to do that twice?
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 10:37:19
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I went to the King of P show last year. It was my first show and was worth while. Lancaster is closer for me plus I have a friend that lives there so I can crash at his place after we hit the bar after the show. Can't wait. I may even hit the Tully while up there as an extra. By the way what is the date of the show.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 12:53:45
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ORIGINAL: D-nymph
ORIGINAL: Chuck Furimsky
My choice, even if I lived outside of Lancaster, would be to drive to Somerset and then attend Lancaster. As I write there are 4-5 movies I want to see, so why would I only go to one fly show, especially when they had varied exhibits and celebrity seminars.
I definitely would not attend both shows, for many reasons. Where I live it's a 7 hour drive to Somerset, toll roads on the PA turnpike, $35-40 one way. Entrance fee to the show. Hotel room. meals. $ spent at the show. Etc.
For the amount of money I'd spend attending one show, I could go fishing somewhere for 3-4 days.
Why would anyone want to do that twice?
I tend to agree with this sentiment. Added to the above reasons to only attend one (if any) is the fact that while some movies/vendors/etc. will be unique to one show or the other, I'd expect that at least half, if not more, will go to both, so in effect, you're paying twice to see the same stuff for that portion of the show. Like D-Nymph, I have a heck of a drive to Somerset (6 hours if everything goes well). While my tolls aren't nearly so bad, if any, and I get great mileage, it's still 12+ total driving hours, at least 2 tanks of gas, and like he said, hotel, food, admission...and that's just to get in the door. Lancaster is about half the distance, but you still have food and lodging to contend with, which make up the bulk of the cost. Obviously, things become much more feasible for those living closer to Philthy than Pittsburgh, especially if you're close enough to one (or both) to make it a day trip as opposed to a weekend. Even at that, though, for everyone that gets a closer show by adding Lancaster, there's at least one person (probably more like 1.5 to 2 considering the population density of the NYC area vs. central PA) who sees it as a second show, with a lot of overlap, that's farther away. I think that one large show, with everything included, would make it a far more enticing event than having the content spread out over 2 shows, 2 weekends, and 2 locations that, nationally speaking, are pretty much in each other's backyard. I've gone to the Tying show the past two years, but I haven't seen or heard anything that has come close to convincing me to make that trip again for the tying show.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 13:17:46
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Yes a seven mile drive can make you consider a show selection. But if one show is the same distance as a second show I would consider on a winter weekend to go to a show unless you have another important responsibility at home. Asking the question of why would you do that twice is because you learn something different at every show. That's why I never think one fishing trip to a favorite stream is only done once.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 13:41:26
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I deleted my last post. Since a poster on this thread seems to make a living on the shows that he's promoting here, I'll be less harsh. The Somerset show is large, has nearly all the big companies, had lots of demonstrations from many well known anglers (Kreh, Rajeff, Jaworowski, to name a few...), and is a great show for only $15. The King of Prussia show last year was much smaller, had very few big companies, and was hardly comparable to the Somerset show. That being said, I believe the entry fee was the same. If the Lancaster show will be the same as last year's King of Prussia show, I'd prefer to drive a little further and just attend the NJ show. My opinion is that the Somerset show is well worth the long drive and a $15 entry fee.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 13:50:34
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ORIGINAL: Chuck Furimsky
Yes a seven mile drive can make you consider a show selection. But if one show is the same distance as a second show I would consider on a winter weekend to go to a show unless you have another important responsibility at home. Asking the question of why would you do that twice is because you learn something different at every show. That's why I never think one fishing trip to a favorite stream is only done once. Â
I'll just disagree. I get bored looking at dubbing, hackle for hair stylists, rods I can't afford, new gadgets I won't use and hearing Lefty ramble on again, no offense. I learn alot more on the river. Winter fishing is some of my favorite fishing, everyone else is at a convention center. Best of luck.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 13:52:35
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ORIGINAL: Chuck Furimsky
Yes a seven mile drive can make you consider a show selection. But if one show is the same distance as a second show I would consider on a winter weekend to go to a show unless you have another important responsibility at home. Asking the question of why would you do that twice is because you learn something different at every show. That's why I never think one fishing trip to a favorite stream is only done once. Â
I'm going to assume you meant 7 hours and not 7 miles. That's quite the difference, unless you're travelling by tortoise.  Even at that, however, to say that two shows are better than one simply because you can see a few extra things by going to both is a fairly weak point, considering that the vast, vast majority of attendees will have to make a weekend out of it, making arrangements for lodging, etc. From the perspective of the majority, it's kind of unrealistic to devote two weekends and hundreds of dollars to attending two shows that are mostly identical. Sure, if you have lots of free time and disposable income, that might be something you'd consider, but most have neither, and for most fishermen I know, while hitting up a show is a nice way to shake off some cabin fever, most have their 'show fix' after one show, and would much rather spend that second weekend actually DOING some fishing or tying. Another part for many of us to consider is PA winter weather. While most anglers have little fear of winter roads, especially well plowed & salted roads like the interstates, at the same time, delays, detours, road closings, accidents, etc. are a very real factor in the decision-making process for long winter trips. Not trying to say that having two shows is stupid or anything, just giving my opinion on why I think it's generally a bad idea. For me, having a separate tying show, and two other separate fishing shows means that I've gone to the tying one twice, and am not planning on attending a third as of right now...and have never even considered attending either of the fishing shows. If all were combnied into one big show, I'd probably be sorely tempted to go every year, regardless of where (Lancaster, KoP, Somerset, etc.) or when (Nov, Dec, Jan, etc.) it was held. Sure the logistics are more frightening, but that's the kind of show that would draw me.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/27 20:28:14
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Western Pa. is where I did my first several shows at Seven Springs, but since I moved on the T.U. (Cabin Fever) has done a one day event. They are friends and use their event to raise revenue to fund their projects, so I have no reason to compete with their efforts. And your rude crack about Lefty makes me realize this chat room is not much fun and I've wasted enough time. See you at the shows in person. And try to show some respect for you elders.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/28 09:20:18
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Mr. Furimski, thank you for taking the time to answer some questions and concerns about the fly shows. Unfortunately, you've become involved in a internet tough guy battle,that I'm afraid you cant win. Most of the members criticizing your fly show have no idea what steps you and your cohorts have done to change the face of fly fishing in the last 40 years. Most of them will never make an impact in the fly fishing world and will never experience a fraction of the fishing and adventures you have partaken in.The younger generation doesnt realize the steps your generation has taken to improve both the fisheries we fish and the equipment we use to pursue said fish. Personally I would love to see you become a regular contributer on these forums but would advise you to proceed with caution as to not be disgusted and aggravated with the haters.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/28 09:43:31
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come on its not some altruist event the guy makes a bunch of $$$... its a business he is looking to expand to make more $$$ the question was posed "do you think the new location is a good one" and those who have said "no" have backed it up with valid points the new show is too close to the somerset event I have not talked to 1 (one) person who thought the King of Prussia or that this Lancaster show are good locations (that is not taking into account the people who like it because its 20mins from their house...) "The real surprise to me was 80% or more of the King of Prussia crowd had never been to Somerset" - by all account the KOP show was 40% less traffic...so that equals about half the size of Somerset of "new customers"... and the people who are spending the $$$ at the shows are not just coming to "learn a bout fly fishing"... while that is a big plus of the shows (sport exposure)... it does not help generate revenue that weekend "My choice, even if I lived outside of Lancaster, would be to drive to Somerset and then attend Lancaster" - that sounds like a bad deal for vendors... pay twice to see the same people...
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/28 10:01:17
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Mr. Furimski, thank you for taking the time to answer some questions and concerns about the fly shows. Unfortunately, you've become involved in a internet tough guy battle,that I'm afraid you cant win. Most of the members criticizing your fly show have no idea what steps you and your cohorts have done to change the face of fly fishing in the last 40 years. Most of them will never make an impact in the fly fishing world and will never experience a fraction of the fishing and adventures you have partaken in.The younger generation doesnt realize the steps your generation has taken to improve both the fisheries we fish and the equipment we use to pursue said fish. Personally I would love to see you become a regular contributer on these forums but would advise you to proceed with caution as to not be disgusted and aggravated with the haters.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. I had a real estate developer tell me once about all the wonderful things he and his family had done over the years to bring new retail stores in convenient locations to the people of Pittsburgh. Oh yeah, and they made $100 million doing it. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Why did the face of flyfishing need to be changed?
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/28 12:31:14
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Mr. Furimsky/Flyway, you act as though my generation has done nothing for the modern face of flyfishing. I believe that is quite the opposite and you are blowing smoke. It was your generation that dammed up many of the west coast waterways. It is now my generation that is fighting to remove these inefficient power sources so that many miles of salmon habitat is returned to the way that it used to be. My generation is also the one that is recovering many of the polluted waterways that would be a result of harsh industrial practices that were so common in the era of our "elders". My "hip" generation is expanding the sport in ways never imagined before. There are so many new innovations and gadgets that it is unbelievable. I have never been to an event of yours but from a pretty common sense point of view I will answer your question.
No the location is not a good one. You have a large general area to work with and you have decided to put it in Lancaster PA. The two shows are approximately 130-140miles apart. That seems like quite a large area of overlap to the average joe. Only for the people between the 2 areas would it make sense for them to attend both shows. Largely the content will be the same at both shows, the large amount of money required for lodging and food will not be worth those few extra items that may be different between the two shows. There is also the large cost that will be burdened on the vendors. Any smart vendor would just chose the Somerset show since it is the well established show and will indefinitely be the larger show.
In hindsight why not chose somewhere atleast a reasonable distance away or have it based in a town with more curb appeal than Lancaster, PA? Without knowing your range/area of interest for having a show, there are quite a few places that would be more ideal in my opinion. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Albany, Syracuse, and Richmond all have way more appeal and drawing power than Lancaster, PA. These locations are all definitely East Coast locations and have exponentially less overlap than the Lancaster/Somerset arrangement. Some saying about lipstick and a pig comes to mind when I read about this situation.
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RE: New location for Fly Fishing Show
2011/12/28 13:08:25
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Lefty should stick with his SRC/HWC buddies. Helps keep out the Riff Raff..... 
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