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Dec one and two
Got started Thursday 12-1 AM by checking the lots up and down- pressure is OFF cept in Altmar where they insist on loading up below the bridge. Went to Tressel South and was the only car there. Took a hike up to Bovines and worked down-had the whole half mile or more to myself .. Had several very quick hits on blue sacs and one decent head shake- that was it. Used the Switch rod with 10 lb leader and #10 hooks- and blue sacs-switched to #8 hooks and 8 leader after several misses= no change. Like Metal said the other day-short hitting on the end of drifts. Spent pretty much the day up there cause its where I generally do OK. Was all alone on the river for the 1st time all year. Tried it all -close-far- rocks- logs - undercuts flat and movin water . Not one single drift boat- and there were many - stopped to fish anywhere along that stretch . A couple drifted quickly down with rods out but they were not hanging out up there at all. They were moving down and not hanging around about it. Not even in the turn above Tressel or in Tressel where one or two guys showed up.- just buzzin through to someplace. Kinda told me somethin bout where I was fishin cause those guys know where fish are for the most part. Later in the afternoon checked the lots again and went down by DSR and there were only 5 cars in the lot- up above there was only one guy in the Kiddie pool and a lot below the bridge. Every place else was pretty much only a cupla cars cept around the Pineville bridge where there were more cars but the guys were real spread out. This morning more of the same with even less fishermen. When the snow started I bugged for CT. No fish fought or landed. Guess the action was lower than where I was. Yea yea 90/10- hey been fishin there over 30 years and doin OK- sometimes they just aint bitin what your offerin where ya are that day. Great trip anyhow. They are all appreciated despite catchin or not. Boyz on the other forum fishing a half mile below me did no better according to their reports. Got no doubt whatsoever that this water should bring in Steel - that said for a lot of us this has been a different year.,
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/03 03:54:04
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ORIGINAL: retired guy     pressure is OFF cept in Altmar where they insist on loading up below the bridge.  according to another site - #'s caught in that area (Barrel to Wires) were rediculous - ya know - 20 hookups in 2 hr type of stuff... ya gotta get in line and toss the beads RT
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/03 07:02:26
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Glad to hear you enjoyed yourself Trevor. Beads are pretty killer... hey did you switch up your colors on sacs? Whenever I use sacs I be sure to have 4-6 different colors and most times one color works better than the others. The past 2 years I've gone back to using sacs and I've found white pink and orange have been my most successful colors. Blue is a good producer as well but I always switch it up to see what they really want. Thanks again for the update
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/03 07:07:39
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Glad you found space, sorry it was'nt more productive. Thanks for the detailed report, RT. Charlie
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/03 10:45:45
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Thanks guys- Had a great time working the Switch despite the lack of players- Yea Dime - generally carry a tube of mixed colored sacs- this time - just picked up some fresh Blue- thats OK cause Blue is usually a good producer. Had flies but was havin fun with the sacs. Charlie- -Just couldnt go up there and stand in line when had the whole other place to myself- fish or no---- Understand bout the beads bein big fish geters- gotta get over that bare hook thing in my head before using them- or stick some kinda fly in there just to calm myself.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/03 12:52:49
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Hey Trevor, I often run a small sac under a bead...it works well; I usually use a bigger hook when doing this to assure solid hook up when they take the bead...
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 13:22:55
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ORIGINAL: dimebrite hey did you switch up your colors on sacs? Whenever I use sacs I be sure to have 4-6 different colors and most times one color works better than the others. Another reason I like my eggs on the softer side---pretty much forced to change em up.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 13:34:45
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Hey guys- some advise here please- In the old days used to use bout a #4 hook on sacs. Lately have been using much smaller like 8ts and 10s . Am I hurting my chances of hooking up ??? Started to kinda feel like a liner with those bigger hooks but am starting to get more and more short tugs now with no head shakes even. If I keep working the same spots sometimes can get a hookup but seem to be missing more and more on the first hit. If you know me -am happy to get the tug-not a numbers guy at all- anything after that is just gravy and am satisfied to have made one hit in any manner- but now and then ya gotta play a fish.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 14:20:07
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I use a Gammy or Mustad ultra pt in size 10(that way u can thread a pink worm on too)---these hooks r tiny but hook and hold great--the short hits of the other day I don't feel would've been solved by a bigger hook.I think that as people evolve --they tend to finish their drifts(not swinging in the middle)--alot of my short hits come when the sack,fly, or whatever is directly below me.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 16:35:30
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You're absolutely right metal; when a strike is at complete downstream there is usually no slack to give it to them; with a longer rod (spin or fly) I find this can be avoided as dropping the tip on the strike allows them to turn with out pulling it out of their mouth... RT...not sure of the model # but mustard and gamikatsu both make egg style hooks with a single point barb up near the eye... this allows you to pull your bag up near the eye and have it stay there leaving the hook gap and point wide opem.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 17:13:42
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RT nice report and sorry folks for the lack of interaction lately.. Busting my azz on 3 houses, cutting firewood (for next year) and sitting in the woods.. I'm balls out with little internet time... Things will slow down soon (I hope) once the snow flies P.S. Jack, hope you are well, I owe you a call & many drinks..
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 18:19:15
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You guys are hittin nails on the head with that drifting straight down stuff- I fish like that a lot around logs and into pockets as opposed to swinging the bait through. Looks like that style may have a lot to do with the short hits.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 19:58:48
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ORIGINAL: retired guy You guys are hittin nails on the head with that drifting straight down stuff- I fish like that a lot around logs and into pockets as opposed to swinging the bait through. Looks like that style may have a lot to do with the short hits. Trevor; try to have your rod tip up once you get towards the end of your drift (when targeting fish downstream). Sometimes some mending is necessary to accomplish this... this will allow you to drop tour tip as your bait/fly goes downstream which will make it sink better; also it will give you the slack to give the fish by dropping your rod to the striking fish....also; you should always try to swing your rod to the downstream on a striking fish in most cases.... if you pull upstream it will usually pull it out of their mouth... tight lines...
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 21:18:44
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ORIGINAL: retired guy You guys are hittin nails on the head with that drifting straight down stuff- I fish like that a lot around logs and into pockets as opposed to swinging the bait through. Looks like that style may have a lot to do with the short hits. Pinners use the same technique (straight downstream drifts) and usually hook up without a problem.. Listen to what DB said - he is right on about the momentary rod tip drop b4 you bury that hook in the feesh jaw.. later d00ds. HT - I don't know how you can sit in the woods for so long while hunting bambi. Unlike you and Fichy that think deer hunting is the sport of kings, I found it to be extremely boring thus far. I love the woods, but need to move around and then play interactive games by calling yotes or crows. I blame myself, I have ADD. Can't last more than 3 hours being motionless in a treestand. On Saturday, after a couple of empty watch-duty sessions, a crow (my mortal nemesis) landed in a tree about 100 yards away, and I could not help myself and gave the friggin bird a third eye via my 223... My hunting day was over at that point, but at least I know my rifle scope is dialed in to deliver those 55grain lovepellets :D]
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/04 22:19:17
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Dood on the other forum reporting he and his buddy had OVER 6o hookups on Saturday and landed over half-- YEEEEEEP - and ya wonder why the crowds are up there. BTW- they never moved all day - did it in one spot WOW what a river...... Shoulda stayed another day and visited the Hatchery- would like to have seen them fishing.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 07:05:16
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RT, you may have heard of stack mending, which is feeding line out to keep a drift going the speed of the current. I keep enough line pulled off the reel and feed line in flicks of the tip so the line drifts in an "s" shape with enough slack to get a good drift, not held back by the line. The slack also allows just a small pause on the take used along with sweeping the rod tip to the side. For short drifts you can raise the rod high while slipping line out and follow the drift downstream , dropping your tip with the speed of the current. I still like to have some s's in the line, though. Downstream drifts are tough hook-ups, unless you're getting them to smash on the tail of a swing. About a month ago, I had a good morning and watched some other guys having a bad one. They either weren't mending, or adjusting their drifts with poor mends that left no slack and kept putting drag on their indy/bobbers. The spin guys kept checking their drifts or ticking bottom too much and had similar results. I was feeding line and making mends almost constantly and it paid off in lots of takes. I learned to do this many years ago, feeding dry flies downstream to wild browns in tough places, and where you want them to see the fly before the leader. I'm never going to get drifts like a CP'er, but I try my best. Charlie Oh yeah, where are these other reports? I want to go to that forum, obviously those guys can REALLY fish. It'd be nice to have once-in-a-lifetime days every time you go.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 08:12:11
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Thanks for the tips Charlie- I put the other answer in your mailbox.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 08:35:12
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Charlie we fish alike for sure.... I easily feed my line on the drift by simply/gently bringing my rod tip from side to side while its going downstream, usually about halfway through the drift; I do this rather than letting the current just pull it out to prevent dragging my presentation... in turn I usually get a zig zag/ S PATTERN in my line which allows your presentation to remain undisturbed....
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 16:52:37
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Now they got a guy sayin he and his kid each hooked up 25 times Friday and Sat- They only fished half a day Fri too. HEYYYY thats 25 each person for each day. 100 hookups in a day and a half WOW is the fishing ever GREAT. Well guess they musta ran real big time right after I left- also figure the crowds are comin back. Excuse me while I go puke.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 17:06:34
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I'm going to guess these might be business owners. It's amazing there are people that actually believe such crap. I'm not saying that you can't get lots of hook-ups some days, but these reports are way over the top. The reports that have been on here lately are enough for me. Not tons of bragging and BS, just honesty and enough action to make me want to go back whenever I can. If people want to drink the Kool-aid, let 'em. Charlie
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 17:45:55
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Couldnt agree more Charlie. Carefull though whenever this comes up I always get more of the 90/10 stuff- Think you will be able to avoid that though.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 18:48:52
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Jeez, I'm happy when I hook up 1 or 2 times an outing. I am still at the beginning of the learning curve and I sat down and did some math and I average about a hook up every 3 hours or so I fish, BUT if I added up all the times I hook up with a rock, stick or log I could be close to that 25 hook ups a day though. Trouble is, I have a tough time landing those suckas.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/05 19:35:56
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Clint - please allow me to chip away at that learning curve (in regards to deciphering most of those 17 for30 reports that the high water heros report).. alot of those guys dredge the flooded diversion channels. seems when the feesh are pre-occupied with keeping their dorsals wet, and their bellies off the bottom, they let their guard down and WHAMMO - right in the mouth quite sporting - if you are a nitwit... seems like you got the right idea - a peaceful stroll along places where the word challenge still applies...
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/06 15:50:57
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ORIGINAL: draketrutta Pinners use the same technique (straight downstream drifts) and usually hook up without a problem.. apples to oranges
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/06 15:54:21
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Glad to see the river up to 1500 - it will clear out lotsa dead stuff and get the remaining leaves out too. May even put a stop to some of the crowds along with the colder weather . Gotta be loosing lotsa Steel to the keepers this fall. Looking forward to some cold weather fishing in the next few weeks and months. Just hope it happens as IMHO the preceeding season just wasnt up to average par. Yes there were a few decent weeks but in general just didnt seem quite normal. Earlier in the season some mentioned having reservations what with this being the return year after the drought of a few years ago-gotta wonder... Did miss some of my favored late Oct and early/mid Nov fishing that may have improved my annual opinion here but didnt quite see what I felt was normal this time around.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/06 15:55:12
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ORIGINAL: retired guy Couldnt agree more Charlie. Carefull though whenever this comes up I always get more of the 90/10 stuff- Think you will be able to avoid that though. Not really--just sayin that once it "clicks" u will rarely go without at least a few hits---this involves a few goto spots that almost always hold fish--then if it's slow just keep changing up till something works--not sayin to stand in 1 spot--I usually bounce around a general area.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/06 16:09:08
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Thanks Metal- Hey I'm spending most of my time with that new Switch Rod- love it- but a big learning curve here- find myself using way too much line too often just cause I can--- Am sure if I went back to the noodle in many of those places there would be a positive result but -hey- wanna use the other rod---its funner--sides aint bout the numbers in my book. Think maybe one reason am kinda down on the season is causa those long lines of guys in the low water posted on every run a few feet apart all day long snaggin everything in sight- made real fishin kinda hairy for quite a while.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/06 20:17:44
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ORIGINAL: metalslayer ORIGINAL: draketrutta Pinners use the same technique (straight downstream drifts) and usually hook up without a problem.. apples to oranges splain pleaze - keep it specific - as in - the instant before hookset...
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/06 20:34:31
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RT--hear u on the evolution---DT---can't speak for RT,but the short hits I'm getting r at the very end of drift when it's hanging on a tight line--hardly the same as feeding a drift w/ a bobber.
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RE: Dec one and two
2011/12/06 21:38:18
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Agreed metal... Hey; leaving a little ammo in the chamber when your tight lined downstream will help your positive hook up ratio on those short strikes.... if you let the slack go while setting the hook it will allow the fish to move without pulling the fly out...
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