I was told from a jackass guide that the dsr goes right down to the small peninsula. Not true. I contacted the 7th DEC district manager and explained to him that some guides are asking for passes and if we didnt have one that we had to leave. I did my homework and contacted a fewit DEC officers I chewed dirt with in Afghanistan. Sure enough no passes needed there. The DEC sent me the state property map and shoewd my dad and I were not on the dsr. I just bought my drift boat and I'm heading up that way to fish those waters I've been fishing for 20 yrs. I see this guy again and god help him if he opens up his man pleaser and asks me for a pass. I'm going to break it off in his**** call the DEC that I have on speed dial, and shove the property map down his throaght. Fair warning lads. Don't mess with Marines especially when your bs'ing because you want the area to yourself. I can't wait to see this clown again. The DEC is waiting for my call. Master Sergeant, USMC.

yeah- stupid guides.

Lower end just above the bridge. That small peninsula at the end belongs to private property. The dsr ends 150ft before the water. Also two small islands on the right side of the river as you travel up stream is also state property. I've already contacted the person who owns the actual end of the peninsula and asked permission to fish. That owner also asked me to move the no trespassing sign back up stream because the guides are moving it to the end to do what they did to me. That ****es me off and im going to set things straight with these scumbags that are kicking fishermen out of there for thier profit. I'm really heading up that way with the intent to fight for whats right. Thats what ive been doing as a Marine infantryman for this country and I will be dammed if im going to let these lowlifes get away with it.

If the boats are on public water they have no right to dp anything.
The people wading sack deep in the DSR do just as much to stop the fish as a boat ever does.

When I was there waiting on salmo they came over and explained the closing time and that it would cost you $$$ to get out after closing time.
So as I see it They had no reason to complain.

ORIGINAL: retired guy

   Spoke to a regular fisherman up river last week who mentioned the DSR folks  'had to throw out the driftboats ' down there cause they were inhibiting the fish from moving upstream.
  Didnt sound good to me then and still doesnt.

The truly Sad Part is that the DEC did the clearing out for Dougie, Inc.
Perhaps the agency should educate their own about private-vs-public boundaries.

I wish the Marine the best of luck. My guess is one of them illegal posted signs belongs in the "Trophy" case. Hope it's given back via Bull in the China Closet method.

Looks like DSR will be upping the prices for "This Rock Reserved for Chithead Guide and his Chithead Clients" category.

    I dont wear a watch-kinda a retirement perk-dont even have an alarm clock up there- nother perk-but if its closin time and I miss it - its my own darned fault.     
     No complaints -no matter how many other missers happen to be as late as myself. Just part of the deal in the first place and admit it or not- they all knew it.
      All that said maybe its time for somebody to take a deep breath and read the tea leaves- they are startin to take a beatin all over the place. One or two know what I'm talkin about but generally speaking they need a bit of polish down there to get back to where they used to be.
     I AM gonna go back there and this week too- been too long.

Boo hoo poor babies thought the rules didn't apply to them.
Get out on time or pay the extra dough.
Whining is for ****es.

food for thought; i have a reservation area in my county that has trails that connect to harriman state park in NY... the place is huge... they have a gate closing time at this place and ive never heard of any scrutiny or chaos caused from people getting locked in... just saying...

Wow, this kind of reminds me of the shazitting match that was going on over another pay to play area on the Oak a few years ago, when Moose and Squirrel took a lesson from DSR and tied up the Sycamore. I always thought the double standard that was applied by DEC on that one was kind of suspect. I objected to the pay system beause of public fish back when DSR opened, but at leat then the price was reasonable, and Fred spoke of DOug's committment to keep the fee in the range of Joe Angler. Lately, it has gone through the roof, putting it right up with Health Care in the inflation percentages. I'll find enough fish up river somewhere and the $45 will stay in my pocket. Or, bad for the rest of Oswego COunty and the Pulaski area, I'll stay in WNY and spend my money here.

L13

Yep- they clearly told me to be out by 7 pm or it's a 25 $ fee to unlock the gate since they need to pay someone to do it.

I thought everyone knew where the dsr started down low? Even I know that.

Settle down drake. You may need a little hash or something.

Now there is no lottery, just a waiting list about a year or two long...took a year for my name to come up and by then I had to turn it down.

wow; just checked in on the dsr facebook; they still havent updated anything; but there is quite a fiasco going on in their face book homepage; its gone as far as spin vs. fly battles; pretty crazy

ORIGINAL: waDerboy

I certainly don't want to hurt anyones bottom line but if there is an issue with something-someone I see nothing wrong in posting it.
I do feel you have an obligation to name names.
Others may well respond the opposite perspective.

As for false reports.

I have been in several shops and listened to them being given.
I called BS and left everything I was going to purchase on the counter.
Needing to take reports from a stakeholder with a grain of salt I understand
but there must be a grain of truth also.

Well said. I've taken most of my business elsewhere too. I gave my business to the people who were decent to me.

Larry in Oswego has always treated me fair and gave me honest reports. Fishin's fishin. Got to work for them pretty hard somedays...

L13,
Moose, Kuepper now there are a few names or faces that haven't seen in awhile lol..
I really have nothing against the pay to play being I held a season pass for 10 years ?
But your right , the changes even drove the working man out of reach..
Almost hit the breaking point when Connie was still there and they split the season, remember that db.. $250 for salmon / $200 for steel..

The final straw came with the mandatory (their rule) C&R on trout.. Kind of tough to tell a client they cant keep a NYS legal Trophy..
So 2 years ago I gave the pass up, cut my salmon fishing to a min. and still buck up the $45. when I do swing for salmon.. It really is perfect salmon water there (IMO) but even still I frequent free public waters more for trout anyway but it was a nice place to take clients..
So it only made since to relinquish the pass to someone else..

The things that bug me however and this is not just DSR (ask fichy how I feel about Malinda) are when folks make up their own rules.. Sure it's their property but it's still our privilege to fish according to the NYS rules and regulations..

As far as the gate closing, well I have to agree with their method on that and not contradicting myself.. If a statement is not made that closing time is , lets say 7pm, then 7 turns into 7:10,7:15 and so on.. No biggie there, folks at work just want to call it a day at some point, don't we all ?