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2011/08/29 11:56:14 (permalink)

Report for 30th

Just got back from the salmon, started at ellis cove at little after 6, worked down to the tressel and back up not a fish did I see. Went to pineville and watched the water for a half hour or so nothing moving. Down to the compactor hole and walked down stream for a long ways , nothing. Down to the ballpark where I met a guy who just came from the staircase, he had been there since first light and saw no movement. I fished a long way down stream and walked back to the truck and headed home. Water is still very warm, was surprised to not see one fish I covered alot of water. Still better than going to work.
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    steeLpunishment
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 12:02:59 (permalink)
    i heard fish were there
    funny you didnt see any
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 12:16:22 (permalink)
    I would bet there are (were) a few in the ballpark,81 area.. Maybe not many together but more spreading out until the river starts filling.. I guess maybe just working those areas for the day might produce the best chance.. Up high ?? Not yet on salmon and if you do find a few , skittish..

    Thanks for the report..
    Things seem to be as expected..

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 14:18:13 (permalink)
    yup. almost time.

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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 14:26:57 (permalink)
         Behind the ballpark last year bout this time- couldnt see any fish up and down after bout 2 hours of pokin  around both sides. Low water too.
     Walked up where its fast and has a coupla deep pools even in low water. Fella walked up to a spot bout the same time as me so I just sat and watched. First cast into the deep hole one hit him hard and ran for the lake. Bout a dozen more jumped outa the hole in all directions. Could never find any of them sight fishing. All hiding out in the cooler white water I would guess.
      There were fish there for the fishing but not the seeing---lesson learned.
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 14:52:52 (permalink)
    yea they are there .. at this time with the water temps high and levels low you need to look in the most turbulent
    pockets & eddies you can find.. they are looking for cover and yes oxygen ..
    Not really my favorite style fishing but if you can swing into the eddy , get it to hold & deep enough you may get a taker..

    I'd really like to walk the flats & smaller pockets at dsr in hopes of finding moving fish.. That is what you might want to try fichy if you go this weekend.. Walk and watch, look for the movers that hold not the holders that dont move
    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/08/29 14:53:59

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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 15:56:19 (permalink)
    I stood up above some deeper holes and let my fly flash around but would have had to add alot of weight to get it to tick bottom. Not saying there werent fish I just didnt see any, I forgot to mention when I rounded the bend up top at the musqrat I pushed a bald eagle of its perch. Years ago I know there were some nesting around the lower fly zone this is the first one I have seen up there in quite sometime.
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 16:26:55 (permalink)
    Thanks for the report 3. I'm going to fish the DSR Friday morning, so I'll be hunting. I may end up C and D 'ing  some holes , if I ain't seein' any. A 10" brown hooked in the dorsal should be lots of fun on the 9 wt.
     
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 16:27:31 (permalink)
    Thanks for the update 3 fan... although; I never conclude with NO FISHH just because none are seen... turbulent water is definitley the ticket... I find they prefer it in most water levels and they are less stressed in it.... which in turn will make them strike more often IMO... if I see the FISH; I then want NOTHING to do with the fish... its all a matter of preference; I've just found fish on the move through shallows are stressed and looking for areas of passage and more prone to seeing you and usually not looking to strike... and for deep pools; they are usually circling and staging for their next move; not looking to strike... now deep turbulent edges of pocket water???? Prime target/holding water for salmon.... I've caught fish the next day with one of my flies in their mouth many times.... also lost one on a stringer once and someone just upstream from me the next day caught the bastard with my stringer on it.... just my half penny's worth...

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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 17:21:59 (permalink)
    Well db different styles and much to share.. Personally I prefer to see every salmon I cast to when possible which makes DSR the perfect water IMO.. Anyone who fishes there knows what I mean.. A fish on the move to a new holding/resting spot is a "hot" fish, easy to pizz off and slam a fly to me.. Those in heavy water are hiding & un interested to me.. But again that’s me.. We sure will have a blast in a few weeks down there showing each other our "stuff".
    I'll have flies for you if you have flies for me in your water..
    As long as your back casting skills are adequate , my c&d skills are just fine.. lol..

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 17:28:36 (permalink)
    Wow; do I sense a competition brewing??? Maybe we should bring hoolahoops up and see who can land the fly in the hoolahoop at 80' in two double hauls....lmfao...

    Tuna im stoked also man; im sure we'll each fit right in to eachothers groove just fine

    Edit: don't forget about throwing rope with a two handed...
    post edited by dimebrite - 2011/08/29 17:30:16
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 17:52:54 (permalink)
    No competition at all in my blood anymore.. All about helping and learning from others..
    I'm pretty stoked myself about back casting again on the SR..
    Note : the 2 handed will remain home & don't wish to attempt that yet.. I think my left arm will have enough to do just reeling in or palming..

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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 17:56:24 (permalink)
    cant wait
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 18:08:21 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: hot tuna

    No competition at all in my blood anymore.. All about helping and learning from others..
    I'm pretty stoked myself about back casting again on the SR..
    Note : the 2 handed will remain home & don't wish to attempt that yet.. I think my left arm will have enough to do just reeling in or palming..


    http://www.pcoutdoors.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PCO&Product_Code=4210&Category_Code=Vivarelli-Reels
    20 lb. tippet to shut them down and pump them right in.
    I bought one of these and donated it to Project Healing Waters, they actually are well made.
     
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 18:38:32 (permalink)
    Really Bro !! Karma, and good vibes at it's best !!
    That set up looks pretty sweet and man wish I had some coin to kick down on that.. Can I rent it from you & donate to the vets ? Maybe trade for a day in the life at DSR asap ?

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    sorry I just seen that it was already donated.. GREAT JOB BRO !!!!

    I worked on and organized a ton of fly donations here on usa and other sites for the vets SR trips in 2008>09.. GREAT, GREAT cause and effect !!!

    This pic just taken from back of my pick-up window..


    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/08/29 18:41:48

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 19:17:17 (permalink)
    Tuna, if you ever do it again, or want to, you have someone who'll volunteer in a  half a heartbeat. I've donated 50 dozen or so flies, but have not got the chance to take someone. I've taken the blind and people in wheelchairs, I know I have the skills to teach and get people on  fish. I'll buy you a day at the DSR just for the h... of fishing with you. Thanks for having  heart.
     
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 20:17:03 (permalink)
    Man thanks for all your support in every which way.. My son-in-law whom is living here is an afghan Marine vet & my grandson a vets son..
    Little things go a long way in this world of mine..
    I think I'll be just fine $$ in my times fishing DSR and really look forward to sharing water with you, be it there and or later in the season up stream.. Yes upstream of DSR, that I do more often then not once the patterns of trout take shape.. Nov can be spectacular in dsr too but from my video I sent there are many free places to roam at that time..

    I'm so wishing to get out this week but looking at my revised schedule my son needs to be moved into his new home, here, by sept 9th .. That’s this full week of taping, sanding & painting so things are fading fast here.. The best outlook at this point is mid week next week before the big move..
    If that works for you, my truck has gas and an open seat.. Otherwise we will be putting the smack down Friday the 16th.. My wife is all cool with the plan and I will most likely stay through Monday..

    If you go before I, then you dam well better post some freakin Pictures !! lol..


    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/08/29 20:21:15

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 20:20:08 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: dimebrite

    turbulent water is definitley the ticket... I find they prefer it in most water levels and they are less stressed in it.... which in turn will make them strike more often IMO...



    If I want to target Slammin, the fast water = best flossing spots - I line the livin crap out of them when they are in the rapids.

    Not trying to be a wise guy - just being honest.





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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 20:23:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: draketrutta


    ORIGINAL: dimebrite

    turbulent water is definitley the ticket... I find they prefer it in most water levels and they are less stressed in it.... which in turn will make them strike more often IMO...



    If I want to target Slammin, the fast water = best flossing spots - I line the livin crap out of them when they are in the rapids.

    Not trying to be a wise guy - just being honest.









    agreed drake, just being honest and as said not my water I wish to fish.. If one can show me a better way there, I'm a willing learner..

    "whats that smell like fish oh baby" .. J. Kaukonen
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/29 21:04:02 (permalink)
    Remember this? Who was gonna roll who through the haystacks? Hehehe.

    Fish where the fish are & soon there will be plenty for everyone. Even a few non swipers where my fav. spot is.
    Beautiful scenery, water, a few fish and normally no people. It's fun watching them porpoise and swirl at passing leaves when I'm enjoying my own company. I've even landed a few Kings there over the years. Rewinding years past is way cool too. Man, I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas.

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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 07:13:14 (permalink)
    I really don't fish kings anymore.
    When I did I looked for the holding pockets between holes.
    Places that every fish tried to rest for a few seconds-minutes before the next rush upriver.
    Every time a new pod came in the ones there already would get aggitated and move and are agressive-hitting-kings.
    The new pod would jockey for position protecting the best lies like a dog guarding HIS yard=agressive kings.

    Now for the dumbass stories.
    There was a pocket intheday between the silo and what is now the glide.
    Since the flood years ago it no longer exists this does not constitute hotspotting.
    There was a group off rippers working the three step pockets along the wall,which after the flood merged into the glide, they were hooking some fish but just my luck after a few hours they noticed me 50 yards downriver with nonstop action.
    A couple of them came down I guess to rip where all the fish must all be since I was hooking up as often as I wanted.
    They waded right up to the edge of the pocket which was about the size of a pickup truck hood and 12-18 inches deeper than the rest of the water.
    They were stunned to see only a couple fish in the hole,them nearly wading into the whole had push a half dozen or so that had been there back down into the silo.
    They made a few rips and either spooked the fish out by line bumping them while barely missing the rip orby the 5 #2 shoot splatting the 25cfs or so that was flowing-shorts and sneaker wading.
    They started griping about how crappy it was that they got there just after ALL the fish had moved and were going back up to there buddies.
    This was not a day of a super run but pods of 3-12 kings moving all day long.
    I don't know why but I said something like come over to the bank here and give me a half hour.
    Before I stopped they had counted 54 kings that I had gently coaxed to the surface shaking their face so they could see they were all fairly hooked. By the way it was clear because I was fishing a #2 3x long hook with a 3 inch marabou tail and a silver flashabou collar also about 3 inches long.
    There was no missing where it was IN the fishes mouth.
    As soon as they stopped shaking their heads and started downriver I cracked it off,so as to not waste more than a few seconds on any one fish, retied and did it again.
    First people I turned from the dark side rather than having a confrontation.

    Look I almost hotspotted and numbers in one post!



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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 09:31:55 (permalink)
    Nice story waderboy... were you spotting all of the fish you were hooking? I know it was a while ago but im just curious.... I prefer the in between pocket water myself for kings... I have most aggressive hits in this water.... and yes drake; flossing is probable in pocket water... that's a given; its no reason for ME to not target pocket water though... as most would agree; different strokes for different folks...

    For the shallow flats and sight fishing; really not my cup of tea... but I will try it with tuna... I usually prefer to swing a long belly in shallow flats in areas I can't see in to when fishing that water type... I like being able to roll out line in either direction while standing in the middle... you can really comb a lot of water when doing this with a two hander... but as said; I don't find too many aggressive hitters in this water... not saying that it doesn't work for others...

    Tuna; was just busting on the competition thing; although it seemed like there was an underlying implylol...
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 10:06:58 (permalink)
    My attitude towards mudshark fishing is less than stellar.

    The Thrill is Gone.

    some folks say Don't blame the playa, blame the game.

    IMO the whole game has become excessively adulterated.

    If the chance of an early season Big Steelie was not in the mix, I'd fish with nothing but sponge.




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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 10:29:53 (permalink)
    No DB the key was knowing where they would stop and retain trheir aggressive nature and standing back out of sight.
    As I said when the guys waded up to look in the pocket the fish had slipped away before they could see them.
    This was in the old water flow where high water hit the area that is the DSR mon-fri around 2 pm and was dropping to 170-250 or so cfs.
    There was a cut 4-10 foot wide deep enough to cover moving kings,with enough current so they held when they hit this slightly deeper pocket, unless they were spooked and roostertailing.
    I want to know they are around, pick a pocket in which I think they will hold briefly and step back outta sight toss a tightloop,stackmend and hold on.




    Drake I have never fished with a tippit longer than 2- 2-1/2 feet long. The longer ones mostly for rainheads giving me enough to make a fly change or two without having to retie the tippit every time.
    Line kings damp sure it happens but I do everything in my power not to.
    As I said I don't fish kings anymore since finding fresh, hot unmolested, players is not possible as it once was.
    Now occassionaly if someone I know is hunting eggs, I would prefer them to keep a king before a brown or chromer, I will fish and egg pattern under an indicator (bobber).
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 12:19:19 (permalink)
    Hey lee; I assumed that you weren't sighting them... i just wanted to here you say it...it sounds like we target similar water

    Edit: its a shame my complimentary passes for my season pass start november 1st... offer stillstands for steelhead season
    post edited by dimebrite - 2011/08/30 12:26:51
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 13:02:16 (permalink)
    I'll sight every darn one if I can.. lol.. If one can't see fish moving up to hold in one of those small pockets to give you a few casts then on to the next pocket with out spooking them. Then one of 2 things.: 1: get glasses 2: your standing where you should be fishing, take the weight off,learn to back cast & mend

    Just my tip rather then hovering over them in heavy water where they can't see you..
    this water is plenty deep enough at 335 (here) for them to move,hold and feel comfortable in the pocket if you know their migratory route



    sight fishing salmon 101..

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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 13:09:47 (permalink)
    Tuna; im not grabbing that one....... different strokes for different folks... and leave it at that...
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 13:14:07 (permalink)
    Dang if I could see them from 30 feet away in 4-5 feet of water. I guess I had old eyes even as a young guy.

    I guess I have to learn that backcast thingie I've heard about.
    But then I can put my fly on dry ground on the far side of the genny without one with the two hander so why bother.
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 13:23:40 (permalink)
    I once heard that if I can see them they have already seen me.

    For me I'll stand back and try to move away slowly.
    EAT A PEACH Tuna.
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    Think I'll have a peach later myself.
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    RE: Report for 30th 2011/08/30 13:23:42 (permalink)
    WB, it's called glaucoma.. They have treatments for that you know ..
    Just as basic as basic can be for the angler used to fishing their local stream and employing it to Salmon fishing.. Ya know we always hear , just fish like you would for trout.. Without figuring the patterns of migratory fish, just trout fishing becomes C&D in pools or heavy stuff. Which is a deadly approach in cold waters but not necessary for salmon fishing IMO..

    I'll gladly fish any water..
    Edit>
    I just know how I will approach each type.. I gots some #5 shots.. lol..


    Too Funny guys !!
    post edited by hot tuna - 2011/08/30 13:27:08

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