TALK ABOUT HRs!!!

I know the NY governor recently signed a bill allowing rifles to be used in several more counties in NY. I don't believe that those counties added permit the use of semi auto rifles. Shotguns yes, but not rifles.

This from the New York DEC webpage ==

It is unlawful to hunt big game with:

•An autoloading firearm with a capacity of more than 6 shells (one which requires that the trigger be pulled separately for each shot), except an autoloading pistol with a barrel length of less than 8 inches.

•A firearm using rimfire ammunition.

•A shotgun of less than 20 gauge or any shotgun loaded with shells other than those carrying a single projectile.

I'll do my best. A few of my NY friends have replied that it's the way they read it. Although Allegheny State Park is shaded as being legal for rifles I don't believe it is. Please allowe me some time and I'll get back to this on this topic. I agree it sounds a little strange going from shotgun only to an AR with a 6 round mag. Stay tuned...

   Been a single shot hunter for a very long time - use a Ruger #1-- Personal preference- cept in shotgun places where I use an old 870 pump with a plug in it so no more that 3 can be loaded- Mostly just put in 2. Am looking at a single shot 12 ga with a scope mount.
  HATE hearing BANG BANG BANG - yep slobs are everywhere- If a guy can aim  carefully and obtain a decent sight picture as fast as the auto shooting I hear he gotta be Superman. Honestly guys- even with pump guns we all hear it all too often- how can anyone aim and shoot in the woods or even on a range that quick?

  Semis for Deer  Hunting- Just plain Bovine Field Splatter.

I used to hunt NY a lot and the shooting the first day was unreal. Some of those guys could unload a five shot shotgun fast enough it sounded like a full auto. Not sure they could hit much though.

I agree with all that but....
As a freedom loving American I think I should be able to use any action I like.  I use a Savage 99 for deer, stuff in 6 all the time.  I don't remember ever needing #3.  I don't understand how people correlate shooting faster because their action is faster.  I'm about to buy an AR, it sure would be nice to be allowed to use it coyote hunting. 

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Hey Tull-
  Know ya werent taking a postion there just pointing out the way the laws read but maybe its just my way of looking at it compared to another guys.  I just cant see where a guy will make a decent Kill shot on #6 when he couldn't do it on #1 or even #2.
Not many Deer hang around even for #2 if you miss. Bang bang bang bang bang dont make it any more likely- in fact if those guys do connect its probably a very poor hit and that aint the way it goes in my book. Might even be that any 'hunter' doin that may not even have the ability or inclination to follow all those shots up properly.
Just one guys point of view.

 
I believe I mentioned this in the Semi-auto thread, but the reason I see for one is for reduced recoil thereby allowing more diminutive shooters the ability to utilize larger calibers.  As an example, a friend of mine's son turns 12 this year (or did).  He weighs in at about 85 pounds and is not the most manly of boys (no contact sports, manual labor chores, etc.).  While a .243 would probably be his recoil limit, if a semi were permitted, he could step up to a .270 or 30-06, using normal ammuntion, and probably have about the same felt recoil.  I am not saying a .243 is not a good choice, my wife hunts with one and I have taken many deer with that caliber, but should he want to hunt something a little heftier than a PA deer, he could use the larger caliber rifle without the need to purchase another one.

Dar-
Agree on the 'kick factor' with the single or bolt guns and its affect on some folks.. its probably a tough thing to legislate a law that would allow a small person or youth  to do one thing and an average adult another.
     Betcha that kid is out with an adult who would have a fit if he started banging away with a whole clip  at a deer. Perhaps the issue isnt the kind of gun being carried but the capacity of the clip when Deer hunting. 2 or 3 is plenty.
      As much as I dislike the 30/30 for deer thats where I intend to start my oldest grandson. Close up and personal or not at all- Got his whole life in front of him after the first learning coupla years. He will grow.
That said my 06 Ruger #1 is a very smothe shooter and would be even lighter with a lighter cartridge.
Would agree  with the semi for stuff like Yotes and was only directing my issue to Deer Hunting.

Hi Doc-
  You might want to go back to the thread a coupla months ago where that kid was asking about what cal. and style of rifle to purchase for Deer hunting.
I might agree that many of us started with the 30/30 for a first gun and that it was the most popular Cal. for many years way back when. Like in the 30s right through the 60s - just a decades worth of guessing there.
Fact of the matter is that is just does not hold up against the modern cartridges and calibers. It got better when they added the 170 grain to the initial 150 but it was still a short distance gun that was minimal for deer at any distance. Think most of us have one in the cabinet though.
Frankly it probably does OK out of a stand at a few yards but not at any distance consistently- just not enough speed or energy.
   Yea I know guys will tell stories bout their long shots - had one or two myself that were OK with it but not a preferred cal. by any stretch. Did a dopy kid shot up in Sugar Grove in Warren  County Pa once with it and dropped a fine 9 point through the neck at about 150 yards- PURE LUCK = back then I thought it was skill.
  Simply does not hold up to the more or less equally priced .270 or .06 or some others by any stretch. Check the ballistics and you may be shocked. There was a nice chart one of the guys posted on that other Thread for the kid.

Doc - just checked and it was in the Big Game Thread- by a kid called Leolizard --Titled -'Good Starter Rifle'- got real deep by a lot of dedicated rifle guys on  deer guns.  Hate to say it but that MAY have been the one where you mentioned shootin a pumpkin. lol.

Doc-
    If I was always in that kind of situation I may have never bought another gun. Actually in  a place like that I prefer a 12 Ga.. NOTHING drops a deer up close like a 12 Ga IMHO.
  Have been looking real hard at some of those new 12 Ga singles that have a scope capability - just cant see those open sights properly anymore.
  Would use it here in Deer Country ( Ct.) where its shotgun only on the State lands.
   Those new shotguns are nothing like throwing those old pumpkin balls outa a smooth barrel- they can shoot and they can reach out a bit too. Dont break the bank either.

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I would also like to use my Bushmaster .223 when Pa hunting for yotes but it is what it is and safety always takes priority over choice.

 
No, percieved safety always takes priority over common sense.

.243
.25/06
.257
.270
.280
.30/06
.308
7mm-08
30/30


That's all you really need in PA.


Even then a .30-06 180 grain is too much power. I shoot 150 grain out of my 30/06 and the deer dont move

.243
.25/06
.257
.270
.280
.30/06
.308
7mm-08
30/30


That's all you really need in PA.

Or a sharp stick

Those Winchester model 94 (or equivalent) are kinda cool if you ask me. I have one I picked up long ago for investment. Like I mentioned a bow is my primary weapon but I still enjoy shooting the 94 at paper. I'll see what I can dig up for you. You like I would like to be able to relive those days as a kid. What brand and model do you have?

OK RG take a look at this article by Chuck Hawks. It's packed with lots of good info on the development of the newer cartridges for the 30-30. Once you let me know what gun you have I'll try and see what I can find as to older guns and higher pressure ammo.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/leverevolution.htm