Yeah- like I told that yahoo who stopped in last week- the site owners have maps with the fishing spots on them, and how to fish them so...
The spot burning thing is more of a small creek thing that will be cleaned out if someone blabs about it via the intertubes. The snaggers are watching.

Most of these places you guys talk about on the river I never been to unless I floated by it on a drift boat the one time I did that. I wish I did know more places but with limited time I usually go with what I know.
A couple stretches on the UFZ, Trash Compactor area of the river above and below 2A (lost my titanium forceps/scissors there last year grrr), around Ellis Cove, below the LFZ and the water below the ballpark, above and below the tressle. The spot in douglaston slayer told me to go to last year was cool too.
Other than that I don't know much.
Hiked back to the sportsmans pool once.
Other than that I donno. Maybe you guys can show me some new places that are conducive to fly chucking.

RT - a map exists - I posted a link to the DEC conservation easements on the Clark Falls thread...

DB - I always stay between the water and those little signs the DEC posts to "access" my fishing spots...

I may have chosen the wrong term (conservation).

RT - I steer clear of the town of Pulaski for asethetic purposes...

I'd rather go fishless -vs- stare at ramshackle buildings and broken concrete -no amount of fish will lure me there.

Know what your saying Drake-
     I don't condemn folks cause of the condition of the buildings and such but for the attitudes that come forth now and then. Also would readily agree that in many cases the fishermen themselves have caused the condition with rudness and litter- but I only take that so far---
     It's  been taken too far by many and we here have -to some degree- fallen into that trap too-  could be compared disliking all Bank Customers cause somebody robbed a bank, or blaming the Waitress cause ya didnt like your food-etc etc etc----
     Can be kinda funny sometimes- up there everybody seem nice and friendly they all wave and hold the door and stuff like that- Especially in Altmar and over where my place is in Richland too.  Mention fishermen though in some places and folks will be kinda quick to point out negatives-specially some of the local fishermen who believe we are just in their way.
  Mentioned all the Big Bucks I'v been reported killing in my area since I moved in on another post. Can't convince them I have yet to take any Deer up there---nope-- got the biguns. They actually tell me about it and refuse to believe otherwise when am standing there sayin NO. Cant imagine whats said bout that when I'm not there.

Hey tuna; I apologize in advance but I disagree with the access right in most cases... with my land they tried to squeeze in a 10' access path from the road to the river... in fine print to say the least; we threw it back at them... there is access about a 1/4 mile upstream from me regardless. On the other hand; if a state owned area is locked in with absolutely no access to it; that's a different story. But I can't see the state going 50/50 on this issue;.. now on the north bank sportmans subdivision they did up there; an access path and parking area was put in... I think they compromised there due to the abundance of land that was owned by nimo before hand. I picked mine up before it was even listed ; so they didn't have time to squeeze an access easement in. But yes I do have a conservation and angler right of way along the bank... and it doesn't bother me in the least...

As stated by others; downtown is a boiling pot of lead these days... a lot of differing views going on down there...

I think its mostly a garbage issue up there. Every year you hear about this lot closed and land owners ticked off over their property being trashed with garbage, the usual coffee cups, wrappers, beer\soda cans an bottles, etc. If ya bring it in bring it out! And it sucks but I'll bring a small bag and pick up the trash that someone left where I fish only because I feel guilty if I look at it and leave it.

Tuna-
    Agree bout the ingress and egress issue - some of those paths I used to walk in on had signs saying fisherman access. Now they are replaced with NO.
Gotta wonder if second or third generation owners have simply decided to change things in their own favor in many places.
COHO-
Have said it before- hundred hunters in a place - can hardly tell they were there / a dozen fishermen- garbage city- SLOBS. Dont know when if ever the complainers will get the Govt up there to have L/E walking around giving out VERY expensive littering tickets and then putting it in all the papers and having it posted on the door of every fishing store around. THATS the kind of message that can clean things up. Nice to take along a garbage bag but it aint gettin the job done noway whatever.
DRAKE-
When it comes to Bambi  well- just havent seen what it takes in my back woods in NY---yet.  Get plenty right here in the Deer State ( Ct)-take an eater now and again but generally like my Deer over 2 1/2 and Ct gotum.-regular too.

ORIGINAL: retired guy


DRAKE-
When it comes to Bambi  well- just havent seen what it takes in my back woods in NY---yet.  Get plenty right here in the Deer State ( Ct)-take an eater now and again but generally like my Deer over 2 1/2 and Ct gotum.-regular too.

RT; the whole tug hill region and surrounding areas have fallen victim to mass poaching; ive seen it first hand... supposedly DEC has changed some regs to provide a better stock in future years... but poaching has taken a major beating on them...

Tuna- There are usually 2 ways to pinch a litterbug.
    #1 is the local ordinance which is generally kept rather low ( $25 to $50) by State Statute and requires a ticket to be paid - usually by mail-it  can be "upped' to a criminal arrest warrant if not paid.( then they simply pay it and -case over)
     #2 is a State littering Statute that usually has a much higher price tag and can mandate a court appearance.( $300 on the highway according to the signs)
     At least thats the CT ways but Ct and NY are generally quite  similar in criminal statutes. The problem that arises is that L/E is usually spread rather thin and that the criminal  thing has to be done by a Certified L/E individual.
     Here in Ct that means Academy Certified and the academy is a several months long full time course that only L/E can attend. $$$$$$$
   I would bet that NY is similar. Therefore who can afford to send a number of L/E out in an undercover capacity to wait till somebody throws stuff out. Then pinch them and gather and tag the evidence and prepare a case report and evidence trail for a potential court appearance and potential trial. Then go for #2.
   The ONLY way that stuff gets done is by public outcry resulting in 'selective enforcement' being created to diminish the outcry and satisfy the condition. As yet that clearly has NOT occurred on the SR.
   Case in point- how many L/e have been out undercover pinching snaggers and lifters ( we have all seen it) - and how many littering pinches did they ever make--never heard of it- have you?
  NOT bashing l/e here -its a question of marching orders.
  guys will holler -given a $2,000 find and lockem up on the spot- well go to Albny and change the laws- problem is the existing ones for some raason arent being attended to so what makes ya think any different bout your NEW ideas.

     If THATS the attitude lets close the whole fishery below Downtown Pulaski.-Some slobs do stuff and nobody hangs out and pinches the slobs-      
    Close it to all- thats easy and pure nonsense. Absolutley disgusting. Yep- take care of those folks who complain about the fishery they bought a house next to.
      Reminds me of the guy who bought a house next to a Farm here in my City. Yeaaaa real nice a Farmmmmm oh boy country living at its best. He called us Cops every other day for years till he died to complain bout flies, cow poop odors, roosters, mooing, the farmers weekend working hours Etc etc etc---.
      My Cousin the Game Warden still tells the story bout the City folks who bought in the Country and called Fish and Game. When he got to their house they wanted him to stop the PEEPERS at night for them  cause they couldn't sleep with all that noise.... Idiots...
     Guess that story means ya cant fish legal Below the Staircase either no legal access anyplace between the South side of the Town Pool and the poop pool.-----Then of course ya gotta pay to the Estuary.
     Perhaps there should be 'Truth in advertising'--you know --"come on up to the  Salmon River --the greatest half a fishing river in the US".--oops "cept for all those places ya cant go in the top half anymore either"---Ahhhh "maybee the Greatest 40% of a River anywhere"-- aahhhhh ,ummmmm  uhhhhh - hey Joe- lemme see that latest map----

ORIGINAL: retired guy

    Perhaps there should be 'Truth in advertising'--you know --"come on up to the  Salmon River --the greatest half a fishing river in the US".--oops "cept for all those places ya cant go in the top half anymore either"---Ahhhh "maybee the Greatest 40% of a River anywhere"-- aahhhhh ,ummmmm  uhhhhh - hey Joe- lemme see that latest map----

That's why - with each passing year, I go up there less & less. To be quite honest, I'm on the fence whether or not I will ante up another $70 come Oct 1..

World Class -- my azzz....

I'd rather hang with HT in the Daks....

RT, you are 100% right; it would take an attorney to view the (possible) original deeds (if not burned or skewed)of every river front property... it seems as if some contained the right away and others didnt; maybe some were bought by the state; etc. etc. etc... also the garbage and rudeness factor for sure played a big role in owners exercising their right to post... i do believe the state should have passage ways (access) to state easements along the river; but for everyone with riverfront to grant access; no way...

drake; i honestly dont know the complete story behind river bank buy outs by the state from land owners.... my property was niagra mohawk land for well over 100 years before i bought it along with maybe 20 other parcels ranging from 5-20ish acres in size; in reality, who really knows; did nimo maybe accept money from the state when they decided to sell out???? very good possibility.... it would take a lot of digging for someone to get to the bottom of the whole story; and not really worth it in my opinion... if they did; i see no problem with it... there is access to it from a parking area.anglers benefit from it... now hypothetically speaking -" if nimo did get paid for their water front from the state"- there's a very good chance if they had opted towards not accepting the state money and selling the land on their terms; some chump wouldve picked it up and posted the banks and everyone in this thread would be complaing about another approximate 6000 other feet of bank that is posted; amen that all of us fellow fisherman have the right to walk the paths back their...

for the tax brakes; yes there is a a few acres that get taxed seperately, but all in all, there is no bargain; trust me...

oh yeah, for the bull dozer theory; yes they can do what ever they want; they could even take it from me if they wanted to i'm sure... i dont see it happening though; and its in " MY " deed that "I" must allow access to anglers along the bank and i would fight tooth and nail if they tried to take that away...its my property to half way through the river on my deed and site map...(not saying i would win; but i wouldnt go down with our a show to say the least)

lastly; drake never again maybe???? wow, i guess everyones different; i enjoy the area. i often catch moments of solitude even with out rod in hand and i look past all of the BS... i absolutely LOVE the summer time up there... watching the hawks and heron fish...etc...i think overall there is a presence of "better people" who frequent the area; i wont go as far as a better class but oeverall there are good and bad people in the world; i see a lot more good since my first trip in 1990 as an innocent 10 year old... ive grown with the place and can recount every year vividly along with pictures reminding me of times; then think back to what was happening in my life at that time... its a part of me... of course though, everyone is different and has their own opinions for their own reasons... i'm on the positive side of things when it comes to the region... and remeber guys, there is a lot more water and tribs (not just SR tribs) and lake to be fished than just the salmon river itself...

Generally agree Dime-
    One sticking point though. When rights to anything involving property are SOLD and listed on the Deed records at the Clerks office -thats IT. ALL property owners from then on  when doing their title search are fully aware of those conditions at time of sale and by virtue of the sale have agreed to it.     
   Even if they didnt like it and didnt want to agree to it if they bought the place they are legally stuck with it. PERIOD.
  Litter and lousy behavior are tough things to deal with but the initial deal   had NO caviats for such things negating the deal.
     There are lots of farmers and landowners who have found themselves with an oil pump in the back 40 that they hate but the rights were sold by others long ago and the Oil Co finealy showed up and dug. That stuff was ON THE DEED and in full knowledge.  No excuses . Same for a lot of Timber.
  I fear that some of those old walkways are still on deeds and some are simply sayin I dont like it for this reason or that and have taken it upon themselvs to make changes that no one as yet has called them on.- They are in for a shock someday.
   Those yellow acess signs were NOT something good natured folks bought at the local hardware and put out just for the nice fishermen. NOOO They bought the NO signs a generation and probable sale or two later.