Spot on Wayne- Those darned Environmental extremists are always trying to have us kill off animals for them. Always want Hunters to do the dirty work - Guess thats why they are so well known for supporting various Hunting groups .
  Couldnt agree with you more than on this one.

it will become the PGC decision to control and regulate Sunday hunting.

For me, therein lies the problem.

http://www.ussportsmen.org/page.aspx?pid=2837

HSUS Sets Sights on Religions
8/19/11



It seems that the most dangerous and well-funded group within the animal rights lobby, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) is again trying to reposition itself to seem mainstream. That transformation is a new “Faith Outreach” effort. Yes, HSUS is attempting to align itself with religions. This path closely follows the animal rights group’s programs that have thrust its tentacles into school systems and young student minds around the nation. Churches should definitely beware.

The programs championed by HSUS outreach efforts include articles promoting a connection between animal rights and the congregations of the Unitarian Universalists and the United Church of Christ. And the HSUS furthers the connecting efforts by pushing pro-animal-rights statements attributed to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod, the Seventh Day Adventist Church, the Episcopal Church and others religious affiliations. Seems nearly any sermon can be twisted as promoting animal rights. These twists could have been far from the intent of the speaker or presenter when the materials were spoken or presented. This doesn’t matter to HSUS.

Real eyebrows are raised, however, when you discover the HSUS’s St. Francis Day in a Box project. A $15 toolkit promoting the animal rights philosophy includes: the Chronicles of Narnia; Animal Protection Ministries: A Guide for Churches; Eating Mercifully; the CAFO Reader: The Tragedy of Industrial Animal Factories (a stab at farming); and many others. These animal rights agenda packets are sold to churches, or congregation members, to raise funds for HSUS. While this propaganda intertwines religion and animal rights as connected crusading causes, there is an obvious lack of religious tolerance in the missing mention of St. Hubertus, the patron Saint of Hunters. And of course the “toolkit” includes envelopes and instructions on how to collect funds in the names of pets, animals and wildlife, and then send those funds directly to HSUS.

"It seems that the most dangerous and well-funded group within the animal rights lobby, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) is again trying to reposition itself to seem mainstream."
 
Yep, and many folks are blind to it or want to pretend that they are no threat to our sport.  

ORIGINAL: S-10

They are just a National outsider group trying to influence the outcome just as the NRA and others are.

 
They are a outside group looking to influence but there is a big difference in how the two are playing to non-hunters during this discussion. 

ORIGINAL: wayne c

While other folks want to make it "THE ONLY" issue by creating paranoia in our ranks to get others to turn a blind eye to all other considerations and support what they want us to support.

Anyone who is objective on issues, recognizes that there are legitimate points coming from both sides of the issue.  As you pointed out before, it is up to each individual to weigh those points and form a position if they so choose. 

HSUS's wish for poltical control of game management is a legitimate concern, as are landowner concerns.  Both are undeniable unless one is blinded by personal beliefs and unwilling to look past those beliefs towards other points of view. 

Retired guy, I dont think its a solution to rely on posting when all of the lands we are most concerned with...those that are public and those that are private but not particulary "managed" by the landowner in any form or fashion.

HSUS's wish for poltical control of game management is a legitimate concern

But audubon and dcnrs wasnt? lmao


I also believe you left some out. The only legit concern being landowner issues? Lmao. Yeah...whatever you say chief. lol. Im not blinded to ANY of these issues. Not a one. And unlike you i refuse to look past them, especially the #1 biggest problem to hunters in Pa today.

HSUS's wish for poltical control of game management is a legitimate concern

Interesting that it didn't appear to have many concerned when the HSUS was pushing for increased penalties for game law violations. I agree with Wayne that they are being used as a smokescreen by some on this issue because the reasons given for wanting to allow Sunday hunting do not stand up to close scrutnity .

  For those not aware - those large National - even Regional for that matter- organizations regularly go to State  Offices and Lobby for their causes. They are regularly in Legislative Halls and even have many of their Brother and Sister organizations include a pitch for their cause when talking about other things with Legislators. They work together quite consistently.
  You will find that folks you never even thought of have pushed for legislation that really has little or nothing to do with their mandates. The lobbyists work together and help each other out as a normal course of doing business.

The national groups have no business dictating things here. Each state is individual with individual needs and concerns and national groups just arent that intricately knowledgeable about every one. Nor do they have any clue of our priorities or values.

This is a decision for us to make and the only reason some want "others" involved, is because their side isnt doing so well and what they want might not happen.

Id say with far less than 100% of even our own ranks on board with this you better get all the help you need from "outsiders" to cram it down everyone elses throats....national groups help or not.... win lose or draw, thats a tough road to hoe.

I think thats why people want pgc to have the say. That way legislators are "off the hook" when it comes to answering for the decision to the voting public. Those who oppose this should make it known to the legislators that they will be held responsible. Especially since there will be NO recourse for us in regards to the ill effects caused by the rogue independent agency they are trying to pawn this off on.

So when a org such as the HSUS goes after our sport and drags religion into it to attack us, national orientations should just stand by and ignore this ? It's Pa's problem let Pa handle it?

So when a org such as the HSUS goes after our sport and drags religion into it to attack us, national orientations should just stand by and ignore this ? It's Pa's problem let Pa handle it?

Of course i do not support hsus getting involved either. But since they are, you do make a good point there.

Gotta go get me a cable slide tomorrow so i can shoot again. Cracked off another yesterday, making about 5 since April. 2 busted off just sitting there with bow on the rack. She be gettin' close. Miss snugglin' up in the ol' summit.

Headin' out in about an hour trying to catch some cat feeeesh. Later.

Retired guy ==

If landowners posted NO DOE HUNTING but still allowed Buck hunting it would seem to help out a LOT with the concerns of most involved.

What I am hearing from the legislators and farmers that will post here is basically... Who is going to enforce the No Doe Hunting or even the NO Sunday Hunting signs.. it will just be another day the owner has to worry about who is and is not on his property...


....NO DOE HUNTING = The farmers DO NOT want to be out there on Sundays checking to see if a certain hunter who had permission to hunt the property just harvested a doe or a buck

... and they especially want one day a week they do not have to be worried about hunters hunting there without permission period ...


....and as I keep mentioning = Who is going to help the farmers if they doe find someone hunting on his No Sunday Hunting property .. and as for no doe hunting.. he will not know that unless he checks harvested deer.... hunters will just say they are only hunting bucks...

and I do not think the PGC could do anything with a guy who shoots a doe on a no doe hunting property.. if Sunday hunting for does was legal state wide... ?????

I think all he can do with someone that does shoot a doe (No doe hunting property)is kick them off the property for the future...


REMEMBER ===== the PGC can not enforce for JUST trespassing ....

ORIGINAL: wayne c

The national groups have no business dictating things here. Each state is individual with individual needs and concerns and national groups just arent that intricately knowledgeable about every one. Nor do they have any clue of our priorities or values.

 
So the NRA should stand by and watch as Philadelphia's Mayor dismantles the rights of citizens to own and use guns for protection because it is a state issue?