Smoothy
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Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
Yep we have been getting our share of em. Bentonite eruptions making way to the stream and chemical dumps or accidents doing a dirty deed. From myself and others walking stream banks during the low flow time of the year I have increasingly noticed, and have been made aware by many, many dead crayfish of all sizes. Heck our aquatic life has diminished greatly since this industry has started. I feel that fines if levied, should and must return to the stream where damage has occured and this is after a mandatory cleanup. Fish Comm, where are you ! I know just call and they'll be along....This is difficult to keep up with and very demoralizing. Heck trees are even mysteriously dying from what we think absorbing contaniments in stream water. How in the heck do you get that to be corrected ?
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 01:38:23
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thats a shame. are your trout down there still living in your stream? Or have they been done for cause of heat?
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 11:48:24
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You need to contact the correct people, which in this case will be the DEP. Call the Southwest regional office at (412) 442-4000.
Document as much as you possibly can using a notebook and/or camera. The more details you collect and convey to the DEP, the more likely the issues will be resolved in a timely manner.
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 11:53:18
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 12:36:08
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I do know the Little Sewickley, though not the poster child for clean water, has turned red this summer just downstream from Herminie from the iron getting into the creek. I imagine one of the old nearby mines erupted and spilled all the water in there. Everything looked fine with that creek up until this spring/early summer and I was actually contemplating trapping some of the minnies I saw in there. Nothing in there anymore. Not sure if is Marcellus related or not.
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 13:52:53
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 14:21:56
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But what are they gonna do with all that brine once they're done with it?
My guess is that unscrupulous truck drivers are gonna dump it in the nearest convenient waterway.
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 16:51:41
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Sorry, shoulda used the sarcasm font
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 21:04:13
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Sorry! Totally didn't read the sarcasm into it. 
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/26 21:08:18
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I'm sure Governor Corbett will fix this immediately by cutting the DEPs budget. Frack on PA!!!!
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 06:55:21
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Do you have any pictures or proof? ORIGINAL: Smoothy
Yep we have been getting our share of em. Bentonite eruptions making way to the stream and chemical dumps or accidents doing a dirty deed. From myself and others walking stream banks during the low flow time of the year I have increasingly noticed, and have been made aware by many, many dead crayfish of all sizes. Heck our aquatic life has diminished greatly since this industry has started. I feel that fines if levied, should and must return to the stream where damage has occured and this is after a mandatory cleanup. Fish Comm, where are you ! I know just call and they'll be along....This is difficult to keep up with and very demoralizing. Heck trees are even mysteriously dying from what we think absorbing contaniments in stream water. How in the heck do you get that to be corrected ?
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 08:45:09
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Agreed, I'd like to see these as as well.
I am so on the fence about this marcellus thing, being my line of work deals directly with servicing the materials used in the the entire drilling, midstream and downstream process. Our business has been seeing ridiculous profits and the market is forcing us to expand to keep up, that's all fine and well, however I don't want to see good trout water go to waste. I haven't seen any groundwater incidents, just hear say.
Can you post some pictures of what you are looking at at Tubmill?
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 12:55:01
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Loomis, do a Google search on "The Facts about Fracking Wall Street Journal". That will yield a June 25 article that is the best, concise commentary I have seen to date on the subject. What you have from the frackingphobes is largely sour grapes over seeing others prosper (a good thing for farmers, landowners, companies, and employees) when they are missing out on the opportunity. PA has 350,000 holes poked in it for hydrocarbon extraction over that past 150 years and hardly resembles an environmental wasteland. There have been some accidents along the way and will be more down the road just like there are in any industry, but the positives heavily outweigh the potential negatives.
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 13:13:55
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I like your style. ORIGINAL: gonefishin
Loomis, do a Google search on "The Facts about Fracking Wall Street Journal".  That will yield a June 25 article that is the best, concise commentary I have seen to date on the subject. What you have from the frackingphobes is largely sour grapes over seeing others prosper (a good thing for farmers, landowners, companies, and employees) when they are missing out on the opportunity.  PA has 350,000 holes poked in it for hydrocarbon extraction over that past 150 years and hardly resembles an environmental wasteland.  There have been some accidents along the way and will be more down the road just like there are in any industry, but the positives heavily outweigh the potential negatives.Â
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 13:23:04
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Well it sure is great to speculate here on the net and say that no infractions have occurred, I think the best solution is still the one I provided. He needs to contact the DEP to file a formal complaint and have a trained inspector go follow up on whatever it is that he is seeing.
Until then, I will reserve judgement and would recommend the same for others.
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 14:17:50
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ORIGINAL: Esox_Hunter
Well it sure is great to speculate here on the net and say that no infractions have occurred, I think the best solution is still the one I provided. He needs to contact the DEP to file a formal complaint and have a trained inspector go follow up on whatever it is that he is seeing. Â
Until then, I will reserve judgement and would recommend the same for others.Â
D@mn you, thinking all logical and stuff. What is this world coming to?
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 18:59:02
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Gonefishin, I would consider the majority of leftover mines from the coal industry an enviornmental wasteland. What is the number one water quality problem in SW PA? Thats right AMD, were people opposed to mining called minophobes? How much public funding has gone in to AMD treatment and cleanup? Casselman river? Stony Creek River? Any day now the old mines on the Casselman could blow and destroy the Yough. Sour Grapes, maybe. But maybe there are real concerns involved in fracking and wastewater treatment-disposal. When the lease checks are spent and the gas industry has left the area, we will all be asking how we could have let the energy industry screw us again.
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/28 19:29:36
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ORIGINAL: flyway
Gonefishin, I would consider the majority of leftover mines from the coal industry an enviornmental wasteland. What is the number one water quality problem in SW PA? Thats right AMD, were people opposed to mining called minophobes? How much public funding has gone in to AMD treatment and cleanup? Casselman river? Stony Creek River? Any day now the old mines on the Casselman could blow and destroy the Yough. Sour Grapes, maybe. But maybe there are real concerns involved in fracking and wastewater treatment-disposal. When the lease checks are spent and the gas industry has left the area, we will all be asking how we could have let the energy industry screw us again.
Ah! finally an intelligent individual has spoken! Good post
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/29 09:58:03
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The DEP is a waste......raw sewage ran in a local stream for 48 hours they didn't send anyone out.....
10 mile creek has been brown in lower greene county all spring and summer the DEP truck stops takes some water and leaves.....there isnt any way the creek should look that way...Ive fished it for 42 years.....
like i said when it comes to gas there gonna do what they need to....
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RE: Marcellus Spills in TUBMILL RUN
2011/07/30 14:14:19
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That approach has been done 7 times that i have been made aware of. DEP appears way down the timeline after residuals are flushed by swollen streams. By residuals i mean carcasses and the like as well as obvious contanaments which motivated the call in the first place.
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