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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 09:42:02
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yea i wouldnt be cuttin that fly line up either.
sorry boys & girls but I wont be back here much to continue in the fun games today.. slept wrong on shoulder,hurts like heck & I have to be productive around the house..
db, I think you got some pictures to scan too, lol..
Have a great day
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 09:46:36
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ORIGINAL: hot tuna
yea i wouldnt be cuttin that fly line up either.
sorry boys & girls but I wont be back here much to continue in the fun games today.. slept wrong on shoulder,hurts like heck & I have to be productive around the house..
db, I think you got some pictures to scan too, lol..
Have a great day
lmao...yes i do, and diapers to change, customers to call, wedding to go to, jobs to be finished, jobs to be started; uggghhhh life sucks sometimes  dont worry tuna, i havent forgotten about you 
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 10:40:29
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fine if you want but only spey freaks think they need all that. backing will shoot too if you need to shoot a hundie. if you show mwe a whole fly line casted at the outing ill buy beer. gotta be controlled derift too. spelling bad. phone wont let nme corrtect.
the insurance and lightness of backing is making more sense. iI guess tyou dont trim the front to suit your rod either?
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 10:44:18
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id figure a guy like you could stop em dead in their tracks with that monfilament you be using
OUCH - now that's gonna leave a mark.... LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 10:54:05
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I rarely drink anymore.. Fell off/on?? the wagon last night. Stopped for 1 beer and about 15 JackD & 7's later I was beamed into my driveway.. I didn't feel too bad until I tried to read through that backing thread... 
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 11:04:32
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fine if you want but only spey freaks think they need all that. backing will shoot too if you need to shoot a hundie. if you show mwe a whole fly line casted at the outing ill buy beer. gotta be controlled derift too. spelling bad. phone wont let nme corrtect.
the insurance and lightness of backing is making more sense. iI guess tyou dont trim the front to suit your rod either?
hey salmo, i love fly casting. i just picked up a little 6' bamboo 4-5 weight. this rod is unbelieveable. in my back yard (with limited space and many obstructions) i was throwing 60' with a #5 weight forward. i also have a way of creating a zig zag pattern in front of me on the water and then shooting the pattern off the water (dont know the name of the cast but i love it). i use this cast when fly fishing for steelies in tight quarters and other anglers close by... i do this one in my pool and was shooting close to 40' off of my 15' round pool with it... yes; thats how badly i want to go fishing what style cast??? back hand/double haul??? i'll give it a shot heck, i'll even give it a shot with one of my big two handers with a 30 yd line...i have thrown a full line before on a few different rods; mostly while practicing on grass though. maybe i'll spin up my 1090 sage rpl blank i have and bring that down with a 30 yd. weight forward; i might justhave to give it whirl since you mentioned it... but regardless of the outcome, i'll still buy you a beer  Ps; my presentation when trying will be a traditional one while swinging on complete downstream drift... that's about the only way that much line can be controlled
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 12:27:27
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Drake - The night that slowed me down - bout 35 yrs ago- I woke up layin on my seat parked in somebodys backyard. Thank above that nobody was parked in their driveway cause I slipped outa there bout sunup REEEEAALLL quite like. Didnt have a notion of where the heck I was till I got out on the road and recognized it. Wouldnt have looked good for a Cop to get caught in a situation like that. Made me think. Do dis have anythin ta do with Rods and Reels anymore?
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 13:05:57
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RT - you definitely would not have received a service award for that stunt... I live in the sticks, 1.2miles from da bar - minimal chance of creating havic on the general public. I'm not trying to justify my actions last night, cause there is no justification for it. Dis dog's been on his best behavior for quite awhile - darn shame I broke the leash last night... I'm just a hung-over nitwit with an empty pocket today.. Going out to push the mower and try to sweat out the remaining evil spirits swirling around in my system. o.k. - nuff of that BS back to reel... What do you guys think about this new reel from Cortland? Is an automatic transmission on a fly reel a good idea or a gimmick? Would you consider buying one? CORTLAND REEL I think it a very good looking reel, I like Cortland products, but I'm not sure if I would really need/want that feature. In my mind - it takes away another aspect of battling a fish - setting the drag properly, palming the reel, etc.. I guess I would have to test drive it first to see just how different it would be.. your thoughts?
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 13:45:16
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wow, drake, are we being serious???lmao... i feel the same way as you. i would want to atleast have it on a rod with some line and have someone pull the drag out to test it out myself before buying it... kinda like i do with my son in the backyard a good question for the reel as well would be: will it with stand freezing temps??? maybe you can try posting your question up on the fly fishing tackle forum for fish usa i'm sure that'll be fun... better yet, maybe our moderator salmotrutta can relocate your post to the fly fishing forum like the other mods do...lol
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 13:51:53
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Drake-- If thats the Cortland Vista Turbine it says it will only hold 100 yds of backing with a standard fly line-- Now we are back to THAT question. Have ta wonder bout the drag tightening automatically as the fish runs-when does it get so tight it will be TOO tight and if it can't get tight enough how would it be on BIG fishies. I like to set the drag to a medium spot and palm after that- keeps the hook from pulling and the leader from breaking too much. Would hope there is some kinda manual maximum setting but how would ya know what to set it at if ya cant 'set' the automatic drag cause ya cant feel it till it runs out real fast? It was put out in 1998 according to the ad on the kumputear - havent read anything bout it. The reels apparently come in weights for big fishies so would tend to believe somebody smeartor than me got all that figured out-- The price is certainly attractive. BTW- hope can spend half as much time fishin as I do here blabbin bout it.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 16:07:04
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went into town for gas to feed the mower, The local nuisance bear paid a visit and ran up a tree next to the station. 2 Pa Game Commission Officers showed up, proceeded to load up the dart gun. I asked them how many of the bears drop from the tree -vs- getting hung up in branches. Answer - they all fall.. Well, this one didn't. They climbed up in the tree, tied a rope around Yogi, then tried to yank Yogi loose.. No Go. The one Commish dOoD told me I jinxed them... The darn bear was only 10 feet off the ground hung up on a couple of 2in branches.. I suggested they do a bit of pruning and offered up a saw. I guess they did not like my "common sense" approach and called for local Barney Fife backup, who quickly arrived and immediately went into "Homeland Security Mode" - setting up a 300foot perimeter to protect the public, then the fire trucks started arriving - guess they will try to burn him out...LMAO Lots of badges will be earning OT today while they wait for Yogi to wake up from his drug-enduced slumber.. Pure Comedy *************** 100 yards of backing?? I've never had a feesh run me half way into the backing. Like HT mentioned earlier in this thread, if you know how to work side pressure with a rod, and don't hook up like the Motor City Madman, running out of line should never be a concern. Another tip worth trying, release your drag & pressure, oftentimes the fish will stop... later
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 21:04:08
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You gots it draket- slack em up & they'll come back to where you started most times. 100 yards of backing not enough? Now think about what I said. You can get a ton more backing on if you cut 10 or 15 feet of worthless line off of the back of the fly line. I mean, I'm no slouch and there is never a reason to cast/shoot more than the width of the river. What's that, about 60 feet minus how far you're waded in? Now we're down to nuts deep and 40'.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 23:28:44
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Salmo,is that pup your Beagle?Many moons ago when I still went hunting I spent alot of time with the Beagle dog.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/30 23:37:05
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WTF happened to the ferret? Beagle eat it?
Steel on a pin---so easy a caveman can do it.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 08:45:22
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WTF happened to the ferret? Beagle eat it?
ask him bout the fox,,,,
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 09:00:29
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You gots it draket- slack em up & they'll come back to where you started most times. 100 yards of backing not enough? Now think about what I said. You can get a ton more backing on if you cut 10 or 15 feet of worthless line off of the back of the fly line. I mean, I'm no slouch and there is never a reason to cast/shoot more than the width of the river. What's that, about 60 feet minus how far you're waded in? Now we're down to nuts deep and 40'.
I don't think choppin down a fly line is sacrilege.. I bought a multi-colored line by SA a couple years where the front 10 yards or so was brown -vs- the lime green color of the rest of the line. According to the SA marketeers, it would increase my hookup ratio cause the dark color of the fly line would not "spook the feeshes". (I felt enlightened at the checkout because I thought my offerings were properly cammoed by the leader/tippet). I soon realized it was another marketing gimmick. I chopped most of the brown front end of the line off. It did a remarkable job of preventing me from seeing the line in order to properly mend or visually follow along when highstickin with a short leader. (I don't use strike indicators when fly feeshin). I recycled that section of chopped up line via redneck engineering - it made a dandy pair of boot laces...
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 09:13:45
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Took my 70 year old Uncle to the DSR few years ago in late Sept. and he took his 5wt restored Bamboo rod- wanted to catch a big fishie on it.
Hooked up with a large female Shark and fought it for a very long time before landing it--GREAT.
Point is he played it so lightly that the fish kept coming back to a hole right in front of us --be it a run up or a run down when played light that fish came right back in front of us time after time.
Hooked a nice female up river years ago and gave the rod to some kid who was hanging around. He caught the fish much later on but the same thing happened. Had set the drag very light for the kid so he wouldnt break it off.
Light play means a nice time- but it takes longer.( so what)
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 09:33:09
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Light play means a nice time- but it takes longer.( so what)
RT - IMO not always the best strategy - if you are fishing C&R waters in warner temps. That fish is still building up lactic acid - which is the true killer of released fish. Great story about your Uncle & the Mudshark on the 5wgt boo rod. I was waiting for to see the word SNAP, glad I didn't.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 12:20:20
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In the case mentioned before I didn't have time to let that king turn and come back 200yards.
I have brought many fish back from some very heavy water by throwing slack below them. Works most of the time.
Also not reeling but slowly walking upriver and then reeling as you walk back down can get a high percentage of fish to follow 2you up like a good dog on a leash.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 13:58:48
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Drake- If that had been me Ida letem both go but my Uncle kept the fish to smoke. That kid was up from one of the Carolinas with his Dad and Uncle for a 3 day trip as it turned out. That was the ONLY fish they caught in all 3 days. They took it right over to the Fly shop by the Altmar Bridge to have it mounted. Since then if there is a kid around -he gets the rod. That one was kinda FUN cause I hooked the fish and let some slack go on the line and asked the kid to hold the rod for a minute while I lit up. When the fish moved the kid went nuts and tried to give ther rod back- said NO -you hooked it you catch it. Never told him any different.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 17:21:28
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In the case mentioned before I didn't have time to let that king turn and come back 200yards.
You really had no choice but to let the fish bolt downstream in that spot as you watch your reel empty - unless you don't mind broken bones trying to chase it. Real tricky spot to wade across also - that water is hummin down that channel at 335flows.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 17:23:36
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 Drake-
If that had been me Ida letem both go but my Uncle kept the fish to smoke.
That kid was up from one of the Carolinas with his Dad and Uncle for a 3 day trip as it turned out. That was the ONLY fish they caught in all 3 days. They took it right over to the Fly shop by the Altmar Bridge to have it mounted.
    Since then if there is a kid around -he gets the rod. That one was kinda FUN cause I hooked the fish and let some slack go on the line and asked the kid to hold the rod for a minute while I lit up. When the fish moved the kid went nuts and tried to give ther rod back- said NO -you hooked it you catch it. Never told him any different.
RT - great story about how you trick the kids.... My other point - just babbling a generality about guys using super-light tippets and fighting the fish for wayyyyyyyyy too long, then to seal the deal out comes the camera for a Hollywood Hero shoot.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 18:07:22
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Yeah- it's my Beagle. He's about a year and a half now. He hates Foxes too.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/07/31 19:34:06
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Drake- Gotta agree- read a lot bout the very light tippet or leaders. Keep em kinda heavy myself= bring the fish in quicker and release it. Probably costs some hits but gettin old to be runnin all over the river trying not to break a line or to keep up. Noooo not 20 lbs---0r 8 lb for sharks which is IMHO a bit toooooo light BTW - love them little Bunny doggies.
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2011/07/31 19:56:26
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Slammo - I went hunting back in Jan for rabbits with a guy that has 6 hunting beaglers.
What a blast it is to watch and listen to them pups go crazy wild after Bugs Bunnies.
Their tails whirl so fast I was waiting for them to get airborne like a helicopter.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/08/01 14:27:09
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Comin up this weekend and will give the new stuff a try- See that the water is gonna be up to 750. Dont give a hoot bout catching anything -just wanna practice ( with a fly on just in case) Might go down by the Ballpark where its wide open a bit and can try different stuff.
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/08/01 14:37:18
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RT - give the area above the (soon-to-be-new Pineville Bridge a try) south side - work around the island... You may not hook up with anything heavy, but lots of resident browns hang in that area.. Easy wading (tryin to watch out for the old guy)...
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2011/08/01 14:48:11
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Sounds Great RT.. Pineville (south side) might also be a good choice with lots of room for that back cast .. Not sure what the deal is with construction but the stretch above the old bridge gave plenty of room to flail away.. North side I'd suggest going below the bridge and wading out just a tad.. Long run there and great water towards the tail.. Good luck and Have a BLAST>>>
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RE: Rods and reels
2011/08/01 14:54:23
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Browns for the past few years have used their instinctive inborn nasty rotten subvervisive radar to completley avoid me.
Any advise as to what they might be interested in this time of year- now that ya have my blood boiling for the weekend.
Thanks for the tip- will be there.
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2011/08/01 14:57:41
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Go get em rt.... some other good openwater is below the island below the tall bridge.I've seen fish hold/roll in the deeper water just above the tailout in summer months... Try in and around the old boat launch,you never know. Like tuna said, have a blast....
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