ORIGINAL: hot tuna

yup, sacks are something some men have and some don't but once again a true egg man would only use skein in an egg loop (same as your snelled) if he had any sacks at all..
Mr. Alaska LMAO.. nah they are all bead snaggers up there now.. I like the SR better where the real fishermen fish..

good thread and glad your playin along...

A true egg man that uses loop rigs spends alot of time re-rigging that sticky,gooey, mess after it falls off the hook. The feeshes don't seem to mind the mesh one bit.
When I do use them, I tie up "bomb sacks" when the skein is half frozen to avoid the mess.

Good choice for night fishing when the slammins are staging, besides the Oswego I never used them in a river.

HT - funny you mention beads - that has been the latest craze on the SR for the past two years - their use has become common place for steelhead - so much so that the DEC will be putting out yet another reg to specifically address their use (distance from hook).

[image][/image]With nymphs I try to lean more towards the natural side. A little flash here andthere. I prefer the dubbing that has the flash mixxed in with it. I usually always do a copper rib up the body. For the tail the shuck and the beard I've been using stripped hackle fibers in all different colors. I tend to stay away from the bead heads for nymphs though. I belive you get more of a natural fluctuation in the water with a small split 1-2 foot up.... I always emphasize the head by taking my scissor tips and pulling the hairy strands of fibers out from both sides of the shuck. It looks awesome when wet. Kinda forms a sillohette around the fly and adds to the fluctuation and pulsation while still keeping the fly sparse and somewhat transparent. God do I wish I was steelhead fishing right now

Btw... fichy, I really like thos sparse maribou tips you used for the tail. Gonna have to try that

I prefer to use a bead or in this case a double to keep my stoneflies as close to the bottom as possible and most times no additional weight.. to me that is the most natural presentation of a stone.

as for the original topic..
rt.. choice of equipment all depends on how you intend to use it.. the most expensive, fancy rods in the world mean nothing if one is just looking to c&d (which is fine btw).. but at that point it's the weight that is casting out the line ,not the rod loading the cast as the rod was intended to do..

sounds like you have made a purchase choice and hope it serves you well.

rt, I think you'll be making a good choice by avoiding the spey.. I think and this is only my observation, that a lot of guys (not all) are going with the long rods as a way of manipulating the "system" .. meaning putting long bellies in their line to "hook" fish. But that’s just my observations and not hard to figure out if you really know what your looking at.. but that’s here nor there..

as for the 11 footer.. Cabelas had a traditions 11 footer on clearance a while back for like $75.00 that I almost pulled the trigger on. Why ? well I'm a sucker for clearance stuff like the 13'6" spey that I never use.. But I think the 11 footer was more realistic then those really long rods and always looking to try new methods.. So that may be something to keep an eye on..

C&D yea I really have no issue with it at all except the zones as they were intended for a more traditional fly fishing, which again think that includes a "fair" amount of weight just not the ridiculous amounts that are used and also addressed in the current regulations for those areas.. But as said any rod will do the same thing if your chuckin-n-duckin so why waste the $$$ on a fancy rig..

Good luck in your quest and one other thing I'd suggest is that you get more into tying flies.. It's a great way to save some $$ and get some satisfaction out of catching fish with something made from your own 2 hands.. Need not be an expensive Vise mine are just cheap and the only requirement is that they hold the hook while I tie on the materials..

ORIGINAL: hot tuna

I'd suggest is that you get more into tying flies.. It's a great way to save some $$ and get some satisfaction out of catching fish with something made from your own 2 hands.. Need not be an expensive Vise mine are just cheap and the only requirement is that they hold the hook while I tie on the materials..

I use the same cheapo Regal vise I bought when I first started.

It helps if you hunt or knows someone that does to supply most of your natural materials.

In craft or department stores you can buy a lifetime supply of synthetic materials -vs- the small sample pack you get for the same price at a fly shops.

Not trying to knock the fly shops out of business, just doing my best to keep my money in my pocket - so I can it over to the gas stations..

ORIGINAL: draketrutta

ORIGINAL: hot tuna

I think and this is only my observation, that a lot of guys (not all) are going with the long rods as a way of manipulating the "system" .. meaning putting long bellies in their line to "hook" fish. But that’s just my observations and not hard to figure out if you really know what your looking at.. but that’s here nor there..

HT - that would make a great proposal for the next round of public input regarding DEC Salmon River regulations ....

At that rate; we might as well just ban the use of lead; heck maybe just ban fishing in general while we're at it. Come on guys, you gotta draw a line somewhere....

ORIGINAL: draketrutta

ORIGINAL: hot tuna

I think and this is only my observation, that a lot of guys (not all) are going with the long rods as a way of manipulating the "system" .. meaning putting long bellies in their line to "hook" fish. But that’s just my observations and not hard to figure out if you really know what your looking at.. but that’s here nor there..

HT - that would make a great proposal for the next round of public input regarding DEC Salmon River regulations ....

nope, enough "dummy" regs already there.. if more people would just "fish" then we wouldn't have a 10th of the regs they keep coming up with..

so why then is there so many ?

Maybe we should just talk religion and politics guys, or shooting coyotes for fun; all of this fishing nonsense is getting us nowhere lmao

How's that for a rise drake.....bwaaaaaaahhhhh....

Pinners can blow me. Nice flies.

ORIGINAL: hot tuna

ORIGINAL: dimebrite

ORIGINAL: hot tuna

so why then is there so many ?

Now excuse me while I go shoot some chipmunks and drown some squirrels.....


Bwaaaaahhhhhhh

cool, save me the hides and tails for tying flies.. much better then the sponge fly

.. my shoulder is feeling much better but now my head hurts ..

btw.. grey squirrel season is closed fyi..

Im sorry tuna; i'll try to stay a little more serious... but I have dibs on the fur

ORIGINAL: salmotrutta

Pinners can blow me.

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if I wasn't capable of long-distance hero drifts - where my tight line could cut off Slammo's third eye holder while retrieving the feesh I hooked that was holding right behind him.
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my first thought would be that it was a lamprey attached to the fish
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p.s. - this thread has officially reached the gutter.

    Had a squrrel 'issue' on my bird feeders- then they started runnin round on my roof -ENOUGH.
   Wife was watching  one on the feeder, heard a pop and  saw it do a Mary Lou Retten off the feeder.
    Now they only fall off when shes working.

Hey RT. I was looking into some more reels and found what I thought to be another good bargain .
Lamson Konicâ„¢ Fly Reel 3.5 3.70" 6.1 200 yds./20 lbs./WF8 7-8 Regular Price: $139.00
and avaliable right here through fishusa with free shipping.
http://www.fishusa.com/Waterworks-Lamson-Konic-Fly-Reels_p.html
while I have not used these I do know other guides that do (litespeed model) and have nothing but good things to say about them..
They are sealed,made in usa and have lifetime warranty. I know for fact their service dept is pretty top notch also..
reading the 45 reviews from another site that sells them all but 1 was very positive. I would suggest if you go with this product to shop right here if possible..

If anyone can add info about this ,please do I may just pick one up myself..

ORIGINAL: retired guy

Thanks Tuna- nice timing-
Was just on E-bay looking at the Orvis reels. Both V and IV
Seems that all the V  were for 9/11 wt lines and al the IV were for 7/8 lines.
Since will probably be getting an 8 wt rod  using a 9 wt floating wt forward line
does it really make much difference on the reel wt as advertised?
As a 'cheap' guy never thought would be looking at Orvis stuff but I like it.  About to jump on a reel even before gettin the rod.  Have a LOT of Cabelas credit card points too- has a lot to do with buying their rod.

not so much worry about the weight listed on the reel but the holding cap. of backing.. a 9wt line is quite a bit thicker then 7 or 8.. I use the IV mid with 8wt line on that reel and no issues at all. with the V model you'll notice it's quite a bit larger and for that matter heavier, a little to much for my personal liking..
that said: using 1 weight larger in line is only to increase casting distance by putting more load into your rod. Not really a necessary thing and if you are going to c&d it will increase drag on your drift.
with the advancement in backing (gel spun) you should be able to put PLENTY of backing on an IV, even with a 9wt line if you chose..
The Orvis reels are awesome reels but I'm a little worried that they discontinued the battenkill mid arbor series after all these years, maybe they just thought it was time for a change ?


The lamnson are also available where you shop and seem to have a ton of backing cap.

Basically it's a coin toss IMO..

Looks like tuna beat me to it while I was typing every reel is different so def. Check the backing cap.

An example; I love hardy sovereign reels; but for me to have a #9 line on one, I have the reel that they call an 11-12; by no means does their 8-9 hold sufficient backing for my likings with a #9 line.