ORIGINAL: metalslayer

Talk about SPIN how does ag tax breaks and farm leases relate to the MASSIVE $'s made off the fishing enterprise?---don't carry much inventory--empty the truck everyday


SPIN?? - there was no spin.

The ag tax breaks/farm leases are relevant to the DSR Fish Scam operation.
They must be considered when calculating allocated overhead expenses pertaining to the ,,as you put it, "barely break-even operation".

ORIGINAL: waDerboy

ORIGINAL: draketrutta

ORIGINAL: waDerboy

So I quess we'll never fish together then.
Your loss!

Have not been able to afford the gamble of the DSR for years.
Never much of a bowler anywhere on the river.
The fish keep biting before I can set the hook in them.
Frickin fish.

considering you can only snag a fish from a DSR rock, your statement holds true...

I offer up an apology to you..

sounds like you fish elsewhere during autumn - where the Fish actually BITE...

ORIGINAL: metalslayer

I'm still struggling to comprehend how the farm credits and leases(which would be there anyway) r a part of this huge money maker---never claimed it never made money---just that there were yrs(told to me in conversations) where it was just about break even.I would think DT would support this venture---isn't that how his conservative cronies do bizz?

Metal, not that I really want to dwell on this,,,

but since you are struggling to comprehend the big picture,

take it another way -

the DIRECT COSTS to operate the DSR = PEANUTS...

ask Nemo - WTH is my mag?

So im new to this forum, but ive lived in pulaski all my life (except my 4 years in the military) and ive fished the river since i was 5. But growing up in pulaski and seeing the fishing go from snagging, to lifting, "flossing" and now conventional (highly skilled) fly fishing for salmon, trout, steelhead and the occasional waders of a snagger, ive done it all and will be the first to admit my young immature days seen me do bad things.

Now on to C/R... i have a hard time wrapping my head around C/R for fishing in the SR, maybe lowering the limits yes but not complete C/R. But i never would wanna see complete catch and release due to the fish cleaning stations, my great uncle has owned one for almost 30 years and ive cleaned alot of fish for the money to buy new gear. Ill admit i eat fish, and i kinda have a bit of pride in eating what i catch, but i dont keep everything, my freezer is full of venison and 1 king from the lake that is due to be smoked next week.

So before i keep rambling on and on, ill just say this, C/R may never happen, if it does will i go with the rules, absolutely, im 26 and far more mature than my snagging days at 12. I think that it is up to us, the good guys to encourage C/R, ive told alot of people to throw back some fish especially steelhead and atlantics just so i can keep fishing in my hometown when im retired.

Cheers Gentleman.

ORIGINAL: retired guy

   Was up the last coupla days putzin around the place and doin chores. Went to UFZ and saw lotsa fishes. No bites but several chases and turn offs. Was just as good to see that happen.
  Think they are eating nymps (sp?) can see them turn now and then and grab stuff. Next time am bringing those brown thingies that look like a little stick. I heard some kinda bug makes itself look like that to fool fishes but the fishes are too smart and eat them anyhow.
Either that or I could fish like the guy who I watched from the woods who didnt know I was there. His line went PLOP real loud on each toss and lift. It had two big slpahies too.  One for the fly and another about 18 inches back HMMMMM.
He changed style when he saw me and for the whole time I fished upstream from him. I went to his spot after he left and there were two there with rips on their backs.
Hey--went to pickup a fly that I dropped and there it was- as I bent over- Mr snake.

Retired,those fish that you saw on the UFZ,were you able to ID them?
Lotsa Atlantics,Skams,Browns?

Its kinda like a philosophy of different types of fishermen up here, a) you got the guys who fish for 2-3 days to catch their limit fillet and freeze their fish for home, b) you get the sport guys who just fish for the fight of the fish and dont keep anything, and c) you got guys like me who throw back more than they keep but also enjoy keeping a good fish to grill, fry, or smoke but also have the luxury of going wherever whenever.

This place is on the verge of borderline madness from september to the middle of november, the stories i can tell, have heard, and the most important part... the fish ive seen is definately something that needs to be preserved, sure theres always gonna be the people who ruin the area due to ignorance, the snaggers, and the litter bugs. But its a small group of people who wanna see this fishery still flourish in 30 years that say one thing and hope it passes through to someone who passes it on to so on and so forth.

So C/R may be needed at say a 3:1 ratio, release 3 keep 1. Sure you can release one at the black hole and that fish may not make it to the hatchery. But we can always hope that they dropped there eggs or fertilized some eggs before they were filleted. Can this be adopted by every person around, probably not, but hey maybe a small voice somewhere gets through to someone.

Skate some Big Flies for dog's sake man! In 2 weeks I believe I will be in town to get a proper skunking. Who's in?
Chance for an Atlantic, or just watching them jump around? Yeah, it don't get no better...

does it really matter to your if the WB is coneheaded or beadheaded?
Just askin since you specified...

I agree with your description of using the grid system to cover the water - and to always start close in,,, sometimes really close in.

As far as letting your line just hang straight downstream, I've had fish hit a fly as it bopped up and down in inches of water, while I had the rod tucked under my arm while I lit a smoke. Talk about the "non-perfect drift" - but it sure excites them sometimes.

Im hitting the UFZ first thing for a few casts, you know get warmed up for fall, ill report anything i see. And seems though this is a Catch and Release topic i will be taking my fly box with the barbs snipped off so i dont hurt the fish to much, and i will not post pics due to as soon as they are off the hook theyre going back in the water.

ORIGINAL: wednick

i will be taking my fly box with the barbs snipped off so i dont hurt the fish to much,

that's another wive's tale that I don't buy into..

IMO, it is a Namby-Pamby PETA-like justification from the kindler-gentler angler ranks.
Your sticking a fish in it's face for your own personal chub - get over it.

I'm not bashing you personally wednick, you made the mistake of drinking the TU Koolaid.

p.s. - Barbless hooks are almost as retarded as the replacement of felt to stop the spread of microscopic didymo organisms. It's a half-arse idea.

Come on Drake- no barb= smaller hole & easier to unhook, esp.  if it's in the boney part of mouth, or a foul in the skin.
I've never lost a fish because of no barb, and I fish all barbless. After you crimp it there is still a bump to keep from backing out.
However, Hooks made barbless is a thing I don't do much though. They can cartwheel and throw the hook....

ORIGINAL: salmotrutta

Come on Drake- no barb= smaller hole & easier to unhook, esp.  if it's in the boney part of mouth, or a foul in the skin.

That's why God made needle-nosed pliers,,,

hemostats for the "more cultured" anglers....:)

makes some sense_ esp. if you use cheap hooks. Dem steels have a boney mouth. The pic I posted the other day when I tailed it the hook fell out almost. upper inside of mouth has that deep spot and it never did sink home. The result was the same though!

Gun ????