Good news on the Mon. fish populations...

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2011/04/06 13:10:08 (permalink)

Good news on the Mon. fish populations...

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/outdoors/s_730684.html

Significant increase in overall #'s of fish and fish species b/w 2003 and 2010. Just hope we don't take any steps backwards in the near future.
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    Wild John
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/06 17:08:33 (permalink)
    Eyes- I went to the PAFBC site to read the report (wanted to see what they called "remarkable") and it is a VERY different story. Smallmouth down, walleye WAY down. I think it goes to show that data can be manipulated- not that the Trib would "spin" a story. That kinda jibes with what I've heard a lot on this board which is that gamefish pops in the Mon have declined recently. And, the fishkill in Dunkard Creek didn't help.
    Unless I'm reading it wrong.
    -WJ

    (edit) here's the link to PAFBC
    http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/reports/2010bio/8x07_13mon.htm
    post edited by Wild John - 2011/04/06 17:09:44
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/06 17:20:14 (permalink)
    You can pretty much find data out there to support any argument that you'd like just by using the Internet.  The problem is that the data represented only shows what the original poster (The Trib) wants the story to tell.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 00:57:33 (permalink)
    I am in that picture!!! The one in the closest boat wearing the green waders and black hat!
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 08:01:58 (permalink)
    smallmouth might be down. but look how many spotted bass
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 08:17:47 (permalink)
    good news especially compared to what the results used to be.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 08:57:44 (permalink)
    I wish the trib was printed on softer paper, then it would have some sort of usefulness.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 10:14:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Wild John

    Eyes- I went to the PAFBC site to read the report (wanted to see what they called "remarkable") and it is a VERY different story. Smallmouth down, walleye WAY down. I think it goes to show that data can be manipulated- not that the Trib would "spin" a story. That kinda jibes with what I've heard a lot on this board which is that gamefish pops in the Mon have declined recently. And, the fishkill in Dunkard Creek didn't help.
    Unless I'm reading it wrong.
    -WJ

    (edit) here's the link to PAFBC
    http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/reports/2010bio/8x07_13mon.htm


    You need to at least link to the correct report Wild John.

    Here is the correct link to the 2010 survey:
    http://www.fish.state.pa.us/images/reports/2011bio/8x04_01mon.htm

    Your link was from the 2009 survey....

    Care you revise any of your statements after looking at the 2010 data?

    I will say, gamefish species like walleye and smallies seem to have held stable since 2003 and with natural reproduction, maybe that is all that we can expect with current creel limits. But I find that even with all the increase in TDS's and other pollutants, there are still several indicator species (highly intolerant of pollution) doing quite well in the Mon.

    There sure is an abundance of forage species for all the predators.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 11:49:55 (permalink)
    Gooooo Mon!
    Gooooo Trib!
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 14:51:46 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Porktown

    I wish the trib was printed on softer paper, then it would have some sort of usefulness.


    Wild John should change his name to Porta John, then his responses would be much more useful...

    Still don't like the Trib, and have the weekend subscription. Sports reporting is horrible, and anything politics is like Fox News in print.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 15:25:52 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Porktown


    ORIGINAL: Porktown

    I wish the trib was printed on softer paper, then it would have some sort of usefulness.


    Wild John should change his name to Porta John, then his responses would be much more useful...

    Still don't like the Trib, and have the weekend subscription. Sports reporting is horrible, and anything politics is like Fox News in print.


    Nothing wrong with that, nothing at all!
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 16:49:44 (permalink)
    The other day i was crossing hte ranking bridge (Side note: thank goodness that construction is finally done on that infernal bridge), and I noticed that there is actually some decent access to the river undereath the bridge (i.e. no huge cliff dropoff, bushes, etc.) Anyone ever fished there?
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 17:45:06 (permalink)
    I've fished right up from it a few hundred yards from it on the opposite side of Kennywood.  You can get access by driving down a few of the roads over there that branch off of Braddock Ave.  You can actually drive right up to the river and park.
     
    Personally I've not caught anything but mudcats and 1 what I think was a sheephead.  Friends of mine have caught bass, gar, and even a 35 inch walleye.  Happy fishing!
     
    And yes I'm also glad that bridge is done being worked on.  Every time I get on it now I was to do 80 mph just to make up for all the lost time sitting in traffic over the last few years.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/07 17:50:38 (permalink)
    be careful, because a rankin cop has been sitting in a pretty decent hiding spot near the on ramp on the braddock side of the bridge.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 10:49:17 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Porktown


    ORIGINAL: Porktown

    I wish the trib was printed on softer paper, then it would have some sort of usefulness.


    Wild John should change his name to Porta John, then his responses would be much more useful...

    Still don't like the Trib, and have the weekend subscription. Sports reporting is horrible, and anything politics is like Fox News in print.


    And what pray tell is wrong with Fox News? Don't you like hearing stories that would never be covered by the "progressive" (and I use that term loosely) media outlets? Think the ACORN story would have even been covered if not for Fox News?

    Back to topic...I had a boat docked on the river for over 5 years and inside the locks on the 3 rivers, I never had great success fishing the rivers. Once outside the locks (Emsworth specifically) we killed walleye and smallies but I don't see this fishery getting any better. Maybe it's just me but when the Bassmasters was here it was somewhat embarassing...the dinks that they caught were unbelievable. Not sure what the solution is but our 3 rivers should be one of the best fisheries in the state but it's still not...20 some years after the mills have stopped dumping into them.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 10:58:23 (permalink)
    My opinion is that the rivers have mostly a mud bottom and very low percentage of good fish structure. A few pilings and spillways do not replace miles of rock bedded river. With the poor structure, the fish all gather around what structure they can find, creating very concentrated pockets of fish. That leads to over-harvesting when people go out there and keep every legal walleye, sauger or bass they catch.

    I dont think the river system ever had a chance to get "full" of fish before people began taking every decent fish out of there that was caught. Put a moratorium on keeping game fish for 5 years and see what happens to the populations. The bigger ones will have a chance to spawn more and the rivers will fill up with fish. Do that, or dredge all the mud out of the rivers and return it to a rock base like you would have if they were free-flowing.

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    "The car was driving itself," Wright said. "The car has a GPS. It's a Lincoln Navigator. They drive themselves. I wasn't running nowhere."
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 11:15:05 (permalink)
    I'm not sure if anyone here sat in on the discussion at the Monroeville sportsmans show recently that was lead by a gentlemen who used to wish on the walleye tour.  He had great information about fishing the 3 rivers and even considered it his favorite spot to walleye fish because of how much it's underfished.  People in the crowd asked questions and he answered every single one even including his favorites spots and baits.  But what he did say is that the majority of fisherman (pro's included) have no idea how to fish our 3 rivers.
     
    To put this in perspective he said that he fished with Mike Iaconelli and took him to spots and showed him how to fish.  They each had their limit in an hour and a half.  Two weeks later was when Mike was doing his "City Limits" fishing show here in Pittsburgh and this gentlemen offered to be his guide.  Mike ended up going with another guide (just 2 weeks later) and didn't get his limit despite fishing a whole day.  This gentlemen even mentioned that they were in one of the exact spots that they fished but if Mike Ike had listened to him the first time around he would have known that wasn't a good day to fish there based on the current.
     
    I wish I knew the gentlemens name because he was very informative and somehow very modest about his fishing abilities.  Bottom line is the 3 rivers are probably a great place to fish but most of us don't know how to fish them properly.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 11:39:57 (permalink)
    Jeff Knapp maybe?
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 11:56:09 (permalink)
    I would say that is the fellow from Dutch Fork Custom Lures, Keith Eshbaugh...

    www.custompaintalure.com

    heck of a nice guy and a great fisherman, we've fished many times with him on Kinzua and Erie

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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 12:02:21 (permalink)
    Keith Eshbaugh?
    Looks like he was at the Sportsmen show this past Feb.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 12:02:39 (permalink)
    FLII, Does he guide?
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 12:03:34 (permalink)
    You are probably right trout. It's just amazing to me that the pro tours (and even Ike on the city limits show) are not able to find fish on these rivers. It feels like if I had the top of the line sonar, gps, fish finders, bass tracker, rods, reels, baits, etc...I could at least find them, and then figure out what they are biting but I guess it's just not that easy.

    Many of us fish from shore and don't have the luxury of electronics to get us on fish. You would think these guys would be able to kill the big boys if they were out there swimming around but they sure didn't during the Bassmasters or on Ike's show.

    Like I said, the best luck I've ever had on the river was just under the Emsworth spillway (back channel) fishing minnows/jigs close to shore (or in eddys) for walleyes and crayfish dropped in shallow water for the smallies.

    I wish I would have been there for that sportsman show cause I'd have taken a notebook full of notes. If you remember his name, Let me know.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 12:14:50 (permalink)
    The tourny was held at a really rough time to fish the 3 rivers (late summer).  They caught plenty of fish, just lots of dinks and short fish.
     
    I don't really fish for bass, but last year while jigging for eyes we hit schools of smallies a couple times.  It was literally a fish every other cast with most of the fish in the 13-15" range and even a few up towards 20" and ~3.5-4#.  Granted this was in May, but years of fishing the three rivers have taught me that there are plentiful numbers of big bass around.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 12:14:57 (permalink)
    He wasn't guiding on a regular basis last couple of years. I don't know if he will this year. Best bet would be to contact him through his website to make a direct inquiry. I know since his lure painting business has picked up like it has he hardly had time to fish as much as he wanted last year.
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 12:57:28 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: eyesandgillz


    ORIGINAL: Porktown


    ORIGINAL: Porktown

    Sports reporting is horrible, and anything politics is like Fox News in print.


    Nothing wrong with that, nothing at all!


    The Fox News part is fine to a point, knowing the PG is the opposite, and just about every news outlet has some sort of lean. It would be nice having an outlet that reported both sides and not writing in a way that portrays opinions as facts.

    The sports coverage still sucks.
    post edited by Porktown - 2011/04/08 13:39:04
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    RE: Good news on the Mon. fish populations... 2011/04/08 14:36:37 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Fisherlady2

    I would say that is the fellow from Dutch Fork Custom Lures, Keith Eshbaugh...

    www.custompaintalure.com

    heck of a nice guy and a great fisherman, we've fished many times with him on Kinzua and Erie



     
    All this was in fact him.  Check out that website if you get a chance.  Like I said the guy knew his stuff and could tell from watching on TV that Mike Ike wasn't going to catch fish in the same spot they were just weeks before pounding them.  He went into discussion as to why as well.  In a nutshell it has to do with the current.  During certain currents the fish move to certain place on structure.  We all just assume lets find structure and fish it, in reality finding the structure is the first step.
     
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