Muskie Rods

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2007/11/14 00:29:53 (permalink)

Muskie Rods

Does anyone have any experience with the G-Loomis Muskie Creature, St. Croix Avid Muskie Series of Musky Innovation rods and what would you suggest?

Basically looking for an all purpose rod capable of throwing bucktails/smaller cranks to larger jerkbaits/swimbaits.

My heaviest conventional rod (MH Garcia) feels like it's going to snap when throwing a 6" Grandma...
post edited by ronnie84 - 2007/11/14 00:32:53
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    Esox_Hunter
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2007/11/14 01:08:00 (permalink)
    Went through the same situation as you...thought a regular heavy/MH casting rod will do.  It sufficed until I realized they actually made musky rods.  I bought a 7' fenwick HMX MH musky about 3 years ago.  I coupled the rod with an ambassadeur C-4 reel, which had good line capacity and a really fast retrieve.  Back to the rod, they had the one I bought and a similar st. croix at my local shop both at similar prices.  I can honestly say I chose the Fenwick strictly because I have used their rods for years and always preferred their rods over st. croix as far as entry-level rods.  The rod is great for buck-tails and medium/large cranks and jerks.  The only problem I have with it that it does not like to throw lighter baits such as original rapalas and husky jerks(keep in mind these are very light for musky lures).  I guess I should have known it wasn't gonna handle the really light lures too well.  However, other than the rapalas i haven't encountered any other musky baits that didnt cast well with it.  What you will notice once you upgrade to a true musky rod is that the fatigue caused from casting for hours seems to disapear.
     
    I think the rod cost around 110 and the reel was about the same.
    http://www.fenwickfishing.com/prod.php?k=76601&sk=76597&p=PURHMXT%2066MHC%20%20(1117516)
     
    For trolling I use the cheap cabelas linecounter combos 7'6'' MH
     
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2007/11/14 20:01:40 (permalink)
    It's actually a spinning rod, (6-14lb test) MH Abu Garcia Conolon Premier and a fairly fast rod. It served (still does for that matter) as a good rod for vertical jigging walleyes and various bass applications. I've never fished exclusively for muskies but I've picked up a lure of two over the last couple years. Like I said, this is the heaviest of conventional rods I have and I pretty much figured from the get-go that it wouldn't suffice for muskie. The rod tip probably buckles an inch or two with just one big Suick or Grandma attached to it.

    But, all that said I am looking to get serious and fish for them frequently so that's why I'm looking for a rod. I used to have an ultra light Fenwick that I wasn't too entirely fond of, though I won't rule them out either. I've also got to be honest, I've never fished a baitcasting reel, though I'm sure it's not rocket science and would just take some getting used to. I know that they are more or less a given if you're throwing bigger muskie lures. I don't think I've ever seen a 'spinning' muskie rod. Those C-4's seem to be the popular choice as I've heard them being used by quite a lot of people.

    I know what I can expect from St. Croix because I've owned quite a bit of their rods, both spinning and fly. What I am curious is how the G-Loomis rods stand up to them. I've never owned one of their rods but I know from word of mouth that their stuff is top notch. Do you, Esox, or anyone else for that matter, have any experience with them and would you recommend them?
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2007/11/14 21:12:44 (permalink)
    I have no experience whatsoever with Loomis musky rods. However, one of my fishing partners has a St. Croix premier musky rod....it is the same action as my fenwick, 7' MH.  In all honesty I couldnt tell the difference between the two rods.  The only noticable difference to me was that my fenwick is a tad lighter(weight not action), as he has the same c-4 reel as me.  I think it is very hard to detect differences in rods once they become as stiff as the musky actions are. 
     
    Check this site out while you are at it...I have bought alot of my tackle/gear from them.
    http://www.muskyshop.com/modules/web/index.php/id/1
    My advice is to find a shop that has a few different ones in stock and just get a feel for them.  Keep in mind at the end of a long day you will definately appreciate a comfortable rod.
     
    I dont think you can go wrong with a St. Croix or a fenwick IMO.  The loomis might be a nice rod but expect to pay around 200 and up for it.  Fenwick and St. Croix will be around 110-120.  Not sure I would be able to notice an $80 difference.
     
     
     
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2007/11/14 21:21:22 (permalink)
    I actually have that webpage bookmarked already, lots of good stuff and everything you could possibly need.

    The Loomis rods are about $200-240.

    I think the main difference between the Loomis rods and the Premiers are the weight of the rod. The Loomis rods are supposed to be pretty light from what I've read.

    I have three Premier spin rods and two fly rods by the way.
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2007/11/21 14:33:02 (permalink)
    I own both St. Croix Premier and G Loomis Musky rods.  The G Loomis is definitely a very lightweight rod that won't beat you up after casting for many hours.  The St. Croix Premier's are also of great quality, a little heavier I guess, but a great rod none the less.  The Premier would cost quite a bit less. 
     
    Just my .02...if this is your first baitcasting combo and you're just getting get a ginto musky fishing I would look into a more inexpensive combo.  You can get a decent graphite musky rod from Gander Mountain for $50. 
     
    As it was explained to me...St. Croix and G Loomis are essentially the BMW and Ferrari of musky rods. 
     
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2007/12/13 13:08:42 (permalink)
    Hi, i was on a guided musky trip this past summer at Mille Lacs, the guide ranked 4th last year in points in the Minn. tour. I asked alot of questions about rods and he could not stop taking about the Shimano Compre musky rods, thats all he had. they run about 100$ he said he has had the St.crio and Gloomis and after a season (of tourniment fishing and guiding) they were shot. But the Shiminos have lasted him 3 years. We used eight foot rods extra heavy, and Abu 7000 series reals spooled with 100# test. They worked great i like them alot in fact thats why i bought one. Something else to consider
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2007/12/30 15:40:37 (permalink)
    St. Croix Avid Muskie Rods are made in the USA ($190 to $240). I think some of the Premier is made outside of the USA.

    As far as reels go I use Calcutta 400Bs, Abu 6600 c4, and a St. Croix AC300A. The Shimanos and Abus work well, I have not yet field tested the St Croix.
    post edited by Little35 - 2008/01/09 22:26:45
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/03 11:11:05 (permalink)
    i have used the Gander mountain muskie rods, the pro select in 8' MH and 7'6 i and thoroughly impressed with it. Shimano Compre is great from what i hear.   I know you get what you pay for but Im willing to try a cheaper thing to see if it holds out. so far so good.


    Calcutta 400= Cadillac!  love it
    got a new Abu C4 6600  on the 7'6''
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/09 21:46:45 (permalink)
    Ronnie,
    You won't find a setup that will do everything.  A 6'6" is a good all around legth.  I have a few st croix's...avid and premeir and they are nice.  One rod that nobody mentions is a
    Cortland... http://www.muskyshop.com/modules/cart/products.php/nav_id/23/page/1/id/2113/name/CortlandCTRMuskyPikeRods
    http://www.muskyshop.com/modules/cart/products.php/nav_id/23/page/1/id/1709/name/CortlandEnduranceMuskyPikeRods
     
    I have the 7' bucktail rod and it's performed well for landing fish.  Remember, a longer rod is easier to figure 8 with too.
     
    As for reels... I bought a few c4's and imo, they haven't held up well.  I would use them for small bucktails only and have something differnt for larger baits or baits with more resistance in the water.
    The calcutta is a great reel.  It goes for 350 but try Gander mtn as they had them for 250 recently.
     
    Also, if you are new to baitcasting will you use left or right handed reels.  I just started using bc reels 2 years ago and decided to go lefty as that's what i was used to from spinning.  It worked great for me.
    Hope this helps.
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/09 22:41:44 (permalink)
    H2O Wolf, I have heard the same thing about the Abus. I have not used mine very much for casting. I have used it a good bit for trolling. It seems that with the fast retrieve of the 6600 it works best with bucktails and not with 2 to 6oz lures. If I am casting I use the Calcutta on a 7'6" Avid.
     
    I do have a Cortland Noodle Rod, it is an excellent rod for the money. I paid $69 for the Courtland. I have never tried their Musky rods.
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/10 10:23:34 (permalink)
    i have a stcroix premier in the 6'6" H and love it for throwing the BIG stuff.  i have it coupled with an ABU 7000, what a powerhouse of a reel.  i also have a Compre MH coupled with a 6500c3 and it is nice for the medium and light suff like spinnerbaits, spinners and buzzers.  i think the only diiference you'll find between the rods are weight and slightly different actions OH and price.  i looked very hard at the fenwicks but have'nt pulled the trigger yet at least for a musky rod becuse i have 2 spinning rods i use for smallies and they have become my 2 favorite rods.  for the extra a loomis costs i'd get 2 rods, 1 for big baits and another for spinning stuff.
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/10 10:40:31 (permalink)
    i just got an 6'9'' Premier Heavy  broomstick, who want to get out and try it?

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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/10 12:12:30 (permalink)
    Talk about a broomstick... I have the 7'9" XXXheavy.  You can pole vault from one shorline to the other with that thing.  I do like it for throwing dcg's though, and it'll probably be a decent trolling rod.
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/10 19:36:15 (permalink)
    wolf you wanna go for ski's this weekend?


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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/10 21:11:45 (permalink)
    I can maybe go Sunday afternoon.  I'll pm you.
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/10 21:14:00 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: H20Wolf

    Talk about a broomstick... I have the 7'9" XXXheavy.  You can pole vault from one shorline to the other with that thing.


    lmao, good stuff right there.

    Thanks for the advice, still haven't decided what to do yet...will continue to reel with my left hand, though.

    By the way, where did that trophy come from in your avatar, Wolf? Beautiful fish...
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/11 09:19:25 (permalink)
    That fish was caught (and Released) at Pigeon Lake Ontario.  It's a place I've been going to for 10 years and it took me that long to land a muskie from there.  I ended up boating 4 from there last August... lots of 24-30" pike there.
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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/13 02:18:30 (permalink)
    Don't know if you decided what you like to do yet, but I have owned 2 rods that I used exclusively in the last 16 years.  Cabelas Fish Eagle Musky Long rod.. 7'6" I throw some bucktails and it is really nice for them, nice touch.  I throw mostly jerkbaits and use the same rod, it handles even the heaviest ones really well...The first one finally snapped in half on a cast at 13 years old....I have used various loomis rods, as well as some really expensive (600+) rods and I like the cabelas as well or better than all of them and it is only around a hundred bucks....well worth it....Just my $0.02....good luck!

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    RE: Muskie Rods 2008/01/13 20:51:32 (permalink)
    hi guys new to the boards. but have 25 years of muskies under my belt.and owned all of them rods.but when i started fishing tournaments. st croix is the only rods that held up. mike
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